kensteele

I need to go back out there again tonight and see if that sign is on X-band....I'll be back.

Scrib

Let me know what comes back.

Crazy Bimmer

opps, forgot to update this thread on that.

I called them and they told me that there is no chance of a new technology thats out that the V1 can not pick up.

They just said mine might be broken and to send it in.

Lucky for me, V1 holds their value well so i might sell it and pick up the X50.

fsttyms1

I guess its time for a 8500 for you guys.

CLpower

I've used both side by side, no way i'll give up my V1 for an 8500, but I have as well noticed my V1 doesn't pick up newer road side radars.


I have a feeling they are on a frequency we don't need to worry about.

kensteele

So I just went past it again and the unit was still there but it was off. Guess the battery wore out.

This is my first time reading this thread and like others have said, I pickup these units all the time. For whatever reason, not this one.

I don't care what you do, you can tighten up on the radar enough to get a speed but not set off a detector. No unit can defeat the law of physics and those radar waves bounce at the speed of light, impossible to not be detected. And I've been thru a lot of construction and detect those too....all the time. Radar is radar and manufacturers build them per someone's specs.

I can't imagine the PD is looking to gather information without being affected by radar detectors. You can use lines across the road for that. Police don't care about radar detectors anyway, gathering data on "true" speeders is of no use to them.

BTW, I don't think KU is authorized for use in the US. In any case, that radar must be operating on an frequency outside the normal range. It can definitely clock your speed. And it was damn accurate. And it's not POP because I upgraded my unit to POP.

kensteele

I have software version 3.818 and I now have X-band and Ku-band turned ON. What is European mode? http://www.radardetector.net/viewtopic.php?p=41636

I think this radar trailier is in town and I'll go looking for it again later to test it out. It has a place for the PD sign to hang so when it makes it way around the metro area, different PDs can use it. Because I don't often see this trailer, I'm not sure how to test other detectors (8500).

tonio

I had this happen in my V1 one morning on my way to the bank.. there was one cop using the radar and about 6 or 7 of them watching him like they were trying out something new. I rode past them twice and my V1 never picked it up.

nikon01

I've had the same thing happen with the Radar Trailers. The newest ones I've driven by, both in CT and VA I have not picked them up on my V1, when in the past I'd get K-Band warning from a mile out. I always thought it was just my particular unit, and even considered sending it to Valentine, but I'm glad I'm not the only one. I've read this entire thread, and am out of ideas, hopefully someone can chime in with some clue.

Scrib

No chance that it's broken. Three documented cases with different V1s. What are the odds?

Dan Martin

It's a cat and mouse game with radar detectors because the detector manufacturers also make the radar guns. If they want to sell to the police departments, they make an undetectable gun. After a while they upgrade their detectors to detect the previously undetectable gun and sell them to the public. The circle has been going on for years.

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

V1 doen't make radar guns.

GSI

It happened to me too as i rolled past one of the speed trailers. My V1 is less than 9 months old and is current per V1's website.

CLpower

No offense, but it's obvious you don't know what you are talking about

cM3go

Jesal where was this recent encounter, maybe I can drive by it with my 8500 X50 and see if it goes off

Crazy Bimmer

The X50 does go off by the one near me, my buddy has it and detected it a mile away.

They removed the recent one i saw but ill keep an eye out.

CLpower

Guys, what reading are you on A, l, or L? I've tried them all to the same results.

Crazy Bimmer

Ditto. I tried them all and even switched power cords.

RyanDe680

There was one of those goofy stand along speed detectors on the south side of the city (Chicago) over the weekend. My g/f and I were going to her aunt & uncle's, drove past it, nothing. I even switched modes after we got there for the trip home, still nothing.

I'm very hesitant now, even when I pass a cop, I don't know if he has a radar gun on or not anymore if it doesn't go off when we pass each other.

I'm confused by all of this...

cM3go

I'm ok!

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

I wouldn't stress over it. The bands the cops can legally use are covered by any good detector. The fact that the traffic radar doesn't give a response seems to point to the fact it's using another band freqency.
Since no new bands have been put in use for police speed enforement no one has anything to worry about.
If by chance any cop does use this method it's not legal & can be thrown out in court very easy.
Somthing the 8500 guys could do is to switch theirs to the advanced tracking mode & get the frequency of the band they detect. Then google it & see what comes up.

Dan Martin

Stalker Pro Radar guns have modules made by Beltronics. Coincidence?

CLpower

Tell me what products the radar guys have come out with recently that aren't covered by most radar detectors, or what new features have come out to support your statement.

fsttyms1

I to have done that but feel the exact opposite. I gave the V1 to the GF cause i prefer the 8500 over it.

thats a good idea. see what frequency its running on since the 8500 can detect it

Dan Martin

I have no idea about specific models or makes, but I can tell you that when I was supplying computer and network equipment to the guys at Beltronics head office in Mississauga, that was certainly the case. I have been in the shop and know what I saw so don't be so quick to judge me.

I'm not saying this is definitely the cause of the problems that a few of you are seeing here, but I'm just saying this sort of thing has happened in the past and it wouldn't be unlikely if it happened again.

CLpower

Explain to us what you saw happen, or did you just see them using their new radar technology w/ their new radar detectors

CLpower

Got our answer:


"It doesn't alert to FM-CW because it is not supposed to!!
This is straight from Mike Valentine's mouth:

The failure to alert to a particular speed sign might have one of
several causes:

1) The speed sign may employ an FM-CW modulation technique to sense the direction of vehicles in its field of view. This feature is used to isolate departing from oncoming traffic. The V1 does not recognize FM-CW modulation as a valid police radar signal and tries to reject it. FM-CW is allowed for license-free "Part 15" devices by the FCC. FM-CW is not allowed for police radar. There are numerous traffic-volume sensors using FM-CW spread all around metropolitan areas these days that detector owners would rather not produce an alert. Otherwise freeway driving (in Cincinnati, at least) would be very annoying. It's a good thing that the V1 rejects FM-CW modulated signals.

2) The speed sign may have drifted out of the police radar band from aging or temperature. "Part 15" devices are somewhat notorious for this behavior. Automatic door sensors and Doppler security sensors are both "Part 15" devices, too. Few automatic door sensors use FM-CW because of the added expense. The speed sign devices can afford the added cost of including the FM-CW modulating hardware.

3) The V1 in question may need for our service department to have a look at it to make sure it is operating correctly"

Crazy Bimmer

Someones on Dans booty.

Crazy Bimmer

Where ya find that scott?

Dan Martin

So there's your answer.

As for what I saw, it's more than what I saw, it's what I was told when I had lunch with the guys in the shop. This is all going back to 2000 to 2001 so I have no idea what the current models are. Furthermore, it's weird that their head office is in a place where radar detectors are illegal... go figure.

CLpower

6speed, by a guy named RadarKing, i'm waiting for Mike himself to chime in

Scrib

potpower for president

thanks scott!

kensteele

cool that great news! i was starting to second guess.

and don't sweat the rumors (whatever dan is saying). i don't work in the industry but i've been following my radar detectors and police radar since the mid-80s and i can tell you for sure, this cat and mouse game is not being orchestrated, it's not a conspiracy. i have never ever in over 20 years been clocked by a police radar unit that i couldn't detect....still to this day. i do believe they are both trying to outdo each other (instant on, stalkers, ka, laser, pop mode, etc) but it's hardly planned. there is some interesting conflicts and overlaps but that's about it, nothing that has left me vulnerable.

police departments don't make their purchases based on what radars can be detected by detectors or not. police simply don't care. if they can get something that's stealth, fine...but they put out an rfp, somebody delivers at the right price, and it's business as usual. i've read some of those rfp's and none of them specify the radar must be undetectable by current radar detectors in the field.