CL-S is SOLD! BMW M5 here I come!!!!
09-06-2008, 04:01 PM
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09-06-2008, 04:07 PM
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nah, i wish it were that easy. the stock clutch doesnt hold for shit. If you get on it from a dig the sucker will slip like crazy. one thing that really pissed me off when I had the m5. Swapped it out for an upgraded uuc unit and it made a world of a difference.
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09-06-2008, 06:01 PM
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The previous owner of my car had UUC's V12 Clutch with Performance Organic Disk installed.
09-06-2008, 06:35 PM
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I just did a bit of reserch on UUC's clutch offerings. How does it feel? Have you driven one with stock clutch? if so how does it compare? Also, i am looking to getting a pretty extensive aftermarket warranty. What would you recomend, powertrain only vs extensive bumper to bumper?
09-06-2008, 06:38 PM
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09-06-2008, 07:00 PM
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I just did a bit of reserch on UUC's clutch offerings. How does it feel? Have you driven one with stock clutch? if so how does it compare? Also, i am looking to getting a pretty extensive aftermarket warranty. What would you recomend, powertrain only vs extensive bumper to bumper?
Happy motoring!Here is a nice piece of explanation from UUC Motorwerks website:
the original BMW (LUK-manufactured) clutch in the E46 and E39 has a new "SAC" (Self Adjusting Clutch) design.* This new mechanism built into the clutch pressure plate is supposed to keep the clutch pedal engagement point the same as the clutch wears... but in all reality, it's a case of* "an answer to a question that nobody was asking." They have added a layer of complexity and feedback isolation, filling a need that didn't need filling - it is not too often that anybody notices that their clutch engagement point as moved 1/2" over 50K miles.
The SAC mechanism itself causes problems; it over- or under-adjusts the pressure plate and therefore causes the clutch to slip or burn out prematurely. They are also known to shift, causing the pressure plate release fingers to slip off the plate, keeping 1/3 of the pressure plate engaged at all times. Bottom line is that the only fix is a complete clutch job, and your dealer is likely to claim "driver abuse". We have seen it happen too many times.
The SAC mechanism may not give a clean release like a standard clutch. Instead of just two sets of springs, there is an adjuster mechanism that makes engagement feel mushy or slow.
The UUC M5/V12 clutch conversion eliminates the SAC mechanism and restores traditional clutch feel with predictable and crisp engagement.
It's no fault of SPEC that LUK designed this sort of mechanism... but it does mean that the SPEC product equipped with SAC still has the same flaws. All the same SAC-related problems that afflict your original E39 clutch afflict the SPEC clutch in the same fitment.
We've had limited luck with "locking" the SAC mechanism to disable it... but truth be told, that had only limited success. A hard shift, or a hard driveline lash shockload force, would still cause an "adjustment" - more accurately a "misadjustment" - and problems would arise. And no matter what is done to modify the SAC, the clutch feel is still that same disconnected, mushy feel.
An analogy to a different activity hampered by equipment is appropriate here, one could say driving a SAC-equipped clutch is like "taking a shower in a raincoat."
At this point, UUC refuses to sell any brand clutch with a SAC mechanism, regardless if the part comes from BMW or SPEC. The reliability/durability is simply not up to our standards.
We gladly offer SPEC products in the non-SAC fitments (and we can even provide a SPEC Stage1 organic disc as an option) as we do for the M5 and all of our other flywheel fitments.
The SAC mechanism itself causes problems; it over- or under-adjusts the pressure plate and therefore causes the clutch to slip or burn out prematurely. They are also known to shift, causing the pressure plate release fingers to slip off the plate, keeping 1/3 of the pressure plate engaged at all times. Bottom line is that the only fix is a complete clutch job, and your dealer is likely to claim "driver abuse". We have seen it happen too many times.
The SAC mechanism may not give a clean release like a standard clutch. Instead of just two sets of springs, there is an adjuster mechanism that makes engagement feel mushy or slow.
The UUC M5/V12 clutch conversion eliminates the SAC mechanism and restores traditional clutch feel with predictable and crisp engagement.
It's no fault of SPEC that LUK designed this sort of mechanism... but it does mean that the SPEC product equipped with SAC still has the same flaws. All the same SAC-related problems that afflict your original E39 clutch afflict the SPEC clutch in the same fitment.
We've had limited luck with "locking" the SAC mechanism to disable it... but truth be told, that had only limited success. A hard shift, or a hard driveline lash shockload force, would still cause an "adjustment" - more accurately a "misadjustment" - and problems would arise. And no matter what is done to modify the SAC, the clutch feel is still that same disconnected, mushy feel.
An analogy to a different activity hampered by equipment is appropriate here, one could say driving a SAC-equipped clutch is like "taking a shower in a raincoat."
At this point, UUC refuses to sell any brand clutch with a SAC mechanism, regardless if the part comes from BMW or SPEC. The reliability/durability is simply not up to our standards.
We gladly offer SPEC products in the non-SAC fitments (and we can even provide a SPEC Stage1 organic disc as an option) as we do for the M5 and all of our other flywheel fitments.
09-06-2008, 10:06 PM
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This gorgeous M5 is on sale on Bimmerfest. The price is a little high but I'm sure everything is negotiable.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=306782
Keep in mind that the maintenance for the M cars is expensive since they don't share a lot of parts with other mass production cars.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=306782
Keep in mind that the maintenance for the M cars is expensive since they don't share a lot of parts with other mass production cars.
09-06-2008, 11:39 PM
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That's the only thing I wasn't liking in the car. The wood would look classy with a straight black interior, but it's too busy with the red leather and the colors seem to clash. Did it come from the factory like that or were the inserts an aftermarket thing?
I'd go Carbon Fiber with the red but the black would look hot as well.
I always found it strange how those things hop when you roast the tires.
09-06-2008, 11:42 PM
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This gorgeous M5 is on sale on Bimmerfest. The price is a little high but I'm sure everything is negotiable.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=306782
Keep in mind that the maintenance for the M cars is expensive since they don't share a lot of parts with other mass production cars.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=306782
Keep in mind that the maintenance for the M cars is expensive since they don't share a lot of parts with other mass production cars.
Background of pics look like they were taken at Cal Poly Pomona.
09-07-2008, 09:36 PM
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Picking up the car on Friday, standby for ten pages of photo shoots. One of my friends has an E28 (1988) M5, another one has an E60 (2006) M5, all of them black. It should make for a pretty pimp photo opp. All we need is an E34 M5 and we will have one of each.
09-07-2008, 09:49 PM
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[QUOTE=grime015;9965851]Who cares? Its a mother trucking M5!!!!! I have always been a BMW enthusiast who drove an Acura. This 400hp 3792lb beast will eat up E46 M3's and 99.9% of the cars on this site in stock form. The need for speed is not solved with superchargers, intakes, and exhausts, it is solved with a highly tuned 4.9liter V8!
dunno about eating up the e46, close race though
dunno about eating up the e46, close race though
09-08-2008, 09:54 AM
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Who cares? Its a mother trucking M5!!!!! I have always been a BMW enthusiast who drove an Acura. This 400hp 3792lb beast will eat up E46 M3's and 99.9% of the cars on this site in stock form. The need for speed is not solved with superchargers, intakes, and exhausts, it is solved with a highly tuned 4.9liter V8!
But dont worry, i wont forget where I came from, just be sure to get out of the way when you see the angel eye healights in your rear view mirror.
and yes it is moddable. for the price of a 2008 TL-S you can buy the Dinan S3 pkg: http://www.dinancars.com/store/produ...cat=550&page=1
But dont worry, i wont forget where I came from, just be sure to get out of the way when you see the angel eye healights in your rear view mirror.
and yes it is moddable. for the price of a 2008 TL-S you can buy the Dinan S3 pkg: http://www.dinancars.com/store/produ...cat=550&page=1
FYI: The need for speed is ABSOLUTELY solved by adding a supercharger. Not sure where you got that opinion but blowing extra air into an engine is never a bad thing...unless you like always coming in 2nd place
BTW, be safe!
09-08-2008, 11:51 AM
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Very nice purchase. Back in 2005 I looked at a few used M5's before buying the CTS-V. Ultimately, I passed on the M5 b/c it was almost out of warranty and the potential for mods was just not there. In stock form the V could outgun and outhandle the E39 M5. In modified form it was faster than a new M5. Damn I miss that car...
FYI: The need for speed is ABSOLUTELY solved by adding a supercharger. Not sure where you got that opinion but blowing extra air into an engine is never a bad thing...unless you like always coming in 2nd place
BTW, be safe!
FYI: The need for speed is ABSOLUTELY solved by adding a supercharger. Not sure where you got that opinion but blowing extra air into an engine is never a bad thing...unless you like always coming in 2nd place
BTW, be safe!
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
09-08-2008, 12:29 PM
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Please don't compare Cadillacs to BMWs. If all I wanted was 400hp and some leather I would of bought a supercharged Mustang. The difference between the CTS-V and the M5 is that the M5 does it in style. 10 years from now the CTS-V will be another POS GM with 400hp, my M5 will still be a legend.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
09-08-2008, 12:47 PM
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Please don't compare Cadillacs to BMWs. If all I wanted was 400hp and some leather I would of bought a supercharged Mustang. The difference between the CTS-V and the M5 is that the M5 does it in style. 10 years from now the CTS-V will be another POS GM with 400hp, my M5 will still be a legend.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
09-08-2008, 12:50 PM
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Please don't compare Cadillacs to BMWs. If all I wanted was 400hp and some leather I would of bought a supercharged Mustang. The difference between the CTS-V and the M5 is that the M5 does it in style. 10 years from now the CTS-V will be another POS GM with 400hp, my M5 will still be a legend.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
Be open-minded, otherwise you will sound like a brand whore.
09-08-2008, 12:56 PM
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When you compare modified cars, all bets are off.
09-08-2008, 01:37 PM
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You do understand that MOST people here could afford your "legend," they just care more about warranty and gadgets than what other people will think of them.
You bought a 8 year old car. I wouldn't exactly be bragging about it being better than a supercharged CTS-V.
Please don't compare Cadillacs to BMWs. If all I wanted was 400hp and some leather I would of bought a supercharged Mustang. The difference between the CTS-V and the M5 is that the M5 does it in style. 10 years from now the CTS-V will be another POS GM with 400hp, my M5 will still be a legend.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
...and the potential for mods is HUGE for the M5, the only problem is so the price tag on these Mods.
09-08-2008, 01:40 PM
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Nice ride!
Glad to hear you are changing out the wood on the interior...that's the only thing that looked bad.
Enjoy!
Glad to hear you are changing out the wood on the interior...that's the only thing that looked bad.
Enjoy!
09-08-2008, 04:35 PM
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09-08-2008, 06:51 PM
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He's not a typical BMW owner.... its just that every forum has its own msl82, Manual Transmission, and now we have our very own grime015 
Its asshats like him that make BMW owners look bad
Its asshats like him that make BMW owners look bad
09-08-2008, 07:33 PM
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woh, woh, woh. Before we start namecalling, allow me to clarify my position. The M5 being an amazing vehicle has very little to do with its make. My point was that while the CTS-V and M5 are comparable on paper, they are very different automobiles. I have driven both and feel that I am qualified to say that the M5 is a true sports car, while the CTS-V is a CTS with more hp. It's the same as trying to compare a 911 turbo to a z06. Yes, the z06 is faster, but the turbo does what it does in timeless european style and is balanced and refined. Dont even get me started on resell value, as the M5 is an instant classic and the CTS is GM's latest attempt to revive Cadillac. Long story short the M5 is an easy choice over a CTS-V in my mind, no comparison.
BTW, it was not me that brought up this whole CTS-V mumbo jumbo.
BTW, it was not me that brought up this whole CTS-V mumbo jumbo.
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09-08-2008, 09:24 PM
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Most people can afford the M5, the used ones can go easily from 20k-40k depending on miles and condition. Contrarily to what the OP might be sounding like, the M5 is an enthusiast's car and it was intended for enthusiasts before brand-whores. Most M5 owners are respectful gentleman as you can verify on m5board.com.I personally bought one because it returned great performance for the price I had paid. Not many sedans today can return 400hp and 393lb-ft for under 36k. I'll stop here I'm starting to sound like a fanboy but again, I've owned a few bimmers and my next sedan could be a genesis.
Each car has his advantages and disadvantages. Saying something like
Please don't compare Cadillacs to BMWs. If all I wanted was 400hp and some leather I would of bought a supercharged Mustang.
Why shouldn't we compare cadillacs to BMWs? The new CTS-V outpersoms the M and the AMG in acceleration, breaking and and ran the slalom almost 3 mph faster. The V is the performance division of Cadillac, just like the M is that of BMW. It's not "just 400 hp and some leather." This guy sounds like the typical 18 year old 325i owner on bimmerforums.