BMW or AUDI?
I've owned two audi's a TT & A4 and I don't understand what makes people pay more for them? BMW, I got into it with a new 525 and it was sick for a car that costs twice as much. I stand a happy TSX owner.

 

I dont quite understand your question.
but german cars are different, built soild, different engineering, stuff like that.
the audi is known for its quattro, 4 wheel drive, and its engine.
bmw, has 50/50, inline engine, and the m powered engines.
german cars are in a different class.
its kind of like someone, in a civic whos happy with, saying whats so good about the acura tsx?
audi and bmw are better cars. but one man's opinion maybe different from others.

 

I for one would like to know tsx11111's age...care to share tsx11111?

 

If I had to choose, I'd go with the BMW.

As far as your explanation, I call 2 audi's before you realized they were over priced?

 

I like Audis better...don't like the whole BMW stigma. I like the understated styling, GORGEOUS interiors, and the undercover status.

BMWs may drive like no other vehicle, but they just don't work for me. Styling isn't my favorite (including non-Bangled cars) and they're way to popular...how many 3-series do you see per day?

 

Audis are not over priced. i think the a4 is one of the good affordable german car.

 

I'd take Audi anyway over BMW anyday. Better interior (and Audi still makes the best interiors and ergonomics in the business) and with the direction Mr.Bangle has taken the new bimmmers in, the audis have better exteriors as well. Reliability is better also. I've had a 99 M3 and it was a piece of junk. Felt like it spent more time at the dealer service department for BS repairs than it did in my garage. Fun and drove superbly but the pluses stopped there. Then I had a 99 A4, followed by an 01 S4 and while they also had their share of unscheduled maintainance problems, they were all forgiveable. Loved 'em... and quattro rules. I'd buy another audi in a heartbeat.

 

Bavarian Motor Works of course...

 

Seems like every week there's a general BMW/Audi thread - this one is

 

To be honest you've ony owned one Audi, the TT is junk. The AWD drive system in the TT is not well designed for performance driving like the Quattro system.


If you've owned 3 german cars and don't see the value, you don't get it, and never will. I owned a 328i, my fiancee has an A4, both of them offer something not many cars can. IMO RWD is far superior to front, thus the BMW gets my vote. AWD is great in the snow, and I agree with the above statement about Audi interiors they are great.

The TSX is a fantastic car, but it is not all things to all people.


/bill

 

Oh man.... marketing. The name Quattro is the name Audi has given to the AWD system of all their cars.

I think you mean the difference between the Haldex vs Torsen

 

I'm a current A4 owner, and for the most part I love it. I've never had a BMW, but like many people, I'm not a fan of all the 'fanfare' that goes along with BMW ownership. the Audi has an understated-ness about it that lets me fly just below the radar but yet enjoy what fine German engineering has to offer. AWD is a blast in most situations and the car drives really nicely. All that being said, i'm going to be trading for a TSX in a few weeks. For all that is great about German engineering, they haven't figured out how to produce a car that doesn't drain your wallet with 'unscheduled' service. My '95 Integra went 135k without as much as a cracked windshield.

 

I think the quattro found in the TT model is not the standard system found in the A4, A6, & A8. The TT 4 wheel drive system (Haldex) has a front wheel drive bias, whereas the true quattro has power split equally to all wheels.

 

This doesn't make sense.

 

 

I love BMW but their new designs are too hard to swallow. Audi is getting better and better and with VW chasing Benz, they will have Audi getting sportier and chasing BMW (according to their board). And the Audi S/RS cars are formidable M competition.
Previous BMWS>AUDI>Current BMWs is my vote

 

I agree with this ranking. BMWs are sweet, but no longer svelte. Audis are just beautiful

 

Nope...go look it up. Haldex vs. Quattro. Haldex is junk, sadly they put it in the R32.

/bill

 

After looking it up:
Haldex vs. Torsen.

About the TT (and R32):
Maybe that's why you think the TT and R32 are junk. They're using the diff you don't like.

 

please....

 

Are both of those comments from the same source? Notice how in the first one Quattro is capitalized whereas in the second one it is not. They are using the generic term quattro.

Regardless of the underlying diffs. etc...Haldex drives like a FWD car with a front drive bias and SLOW response despite their claim. Yes, I've driven both very near the limits.

/bill

 

also, if you don't understand why they had to use Haldex, you could ask. instead of coming across all ignorant on the matter.

Haldex is used because of how the engine is mounted (transeverly for both the TT and R32). A transeverly mounted engine favor front wheel drive, so Haldex favors the front until slippage is detected in which case it transfers power to the rear.

Junk... i don't think so. The right system for the engine combination at hand.

 

Quattro or quattro is AUDI's marketing term for AWD system. Period.

 

No they're not. Good observation.

First one (not Audi)
Second one (Audi)

If you read more of that second link (audiworld.com), you'll see that Quattro encompasses Torsen AND Haldex mechanisms. So you can't say "Haldex vs. Quattro" because some Quattros ARE Haldexes. See?

Edit: I do agree that Torsen Quattros are better than Haldex Quattros.

 

I'm not debating why they use it, I am just stating from a driver's perspective it is not a very desirable system. Having driven both the Haldex version is junk. :P

Anyway...I am outnumbered.



/bill

 

I think calling haldex 'junk' is a bit overboard since it is certainly a very effective all-wheel drive system driven 8-9/10th's which is at a level more than what almost everyone would ever drive their cars at especially on public roads (unless you're a complete street-racer idiot with no regard for anyone else's safety). For over 90% of the drivers out there, I would say the difference between haldex and torsen is a write-off. Few would even have the sense or the driving ability to recognize the difference when driven at the limit. For cars like the R32 and the TT, the choice of haldex not only makes sense but is completely logical. it is small car with transversely mounted engines, haldex is more compact, and haldex is much lighter. I think these attributes of haldex in these applications far outweigh the fact that driven 10/10th's (on a track by a highly skilled driver) haldex is only marginally under-performing than a torsen system. The only time torsen is really best utilized for its advantages over haldex is when Michael Galati and Randy Pobst are tearing around the Speed WC circuits in their 525hp Champion Racing competition RS6's beating Vipers, Vette's, and Cadillac CTS-V's. People like you and me, we can only dream. For us "mortals", torsen is just bragging rights and the chance to wave a bigger stick. My S4 has torsen... can I demonstrate how it is better than haldex? Hell no!... but you can sure as hell catch me bragging to my Carrera4-driving friend that my awd is better than his.

 

Point well taken...the times I've driven a Haldex car were not normal situations (auto-x and snow...not at the same time mind you. ), thus the differences were exacerbated.

/bill