BMW 2002 Tii at the junkyard..worth it?
03-22-2011, 03:31 PM
#1
BMW 2002 Tii at the junkyard..worth it?
saw a 2002 tii at the junkyard with full interior and some dash cracks. the car is undamaged structurally and has been sitting for a few years so it has flat tires (original ones) and rusted paint.
its a cool little car and i was wondering if these held any value or if a restore was worth it.
any insight?
thanks.
its a cool little car and i was wondering if these held any value or if a restore was worth it.
any insight?
thanks.
03-22-2011, 03:34 PM
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how much do they want for it?
I personally love the 2002.
I personally love the 2002.
03-22-2011, 03:52 PM
#4
Fahrvergnügen'd
I saw a restored one for sale for $10k ... Not concours but nice. I think it was a Ti and not a Tii.
If you think you could get it going again and in nice shape for a few grand then go for it. My guess is it's going to be all of $10k to get it where it needs to be based upon my imagination of your description.
If you think you could get it going again and in nice shape for a few grand then go for it. My guess is it's going to be all of $10k to get it where it needs to be based upon my imagination of your description.
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03-22-2011, 05:49 PM
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saw a 2002 tii at the junkyard with full interior and some dash cracks. the car is undamaged structurally and has been sitting for a few years so it has flat tires (original ones) and rusted paint.
its a cool little car and i was wondering if these held any value or if a restore was worth it.
any insight?
thanks.
its a cool little car and i was wondering if these held any value or if a restore was worth it.
any insight?
thanks.
Is the car complete? What condition is the powertrain and body in?
The price of the car is of little consequence. It could even be free, but you need to consider restoration costs. And more importantly, you need to consider why you want to restore it. If it's the love and admiration of a particular car and the want to undertake a project, then perhaps it may be something to consider. If it's for monetary gain, then run away from the car as fast as you can.
Restorations always take twice as long and are much more expensive than anticipated. If you are still considering this project, then the first thing is to see the availability of parts. Spend a few hours online and look for vendors that deal specifically with the car you want to restore. This includes NOS, reproduction, and wrecked parts. Then decide the type of restoration you want to do. Will it be fairly basic with basic mechanical repairs and cosmetics? Or are you looking for something more detailed. Perhaps you are considering an exacting, nut and bolt type restoration. And finally, decide you much work you will do yourself. Are you capable of rebuilding an engine and performing bodywork, or does knowledge and space only permit the assembling of parts that have been restored by professional shops.
I'm not trying to deter you, or anyone from doing a restoration, but consider everything involved before undertaking a project such as this. Costs, time, space, and ability should all be considerations. My restorations, although much more detailed and precise than most, generally cost upwards of $50 000 and take tremendous amounts of time. This includes me doing the lion's share of the work except for exterior paint. And throughout the years I've accumulated the proper tools and space required for such projects. Some people restore cars for substantially less, but probably more than what you're allowing. If you like the car, then I say go for it. Do not expect, however, for the restoration to be easy. If the car is a basic runner, you may want to pick it up and repair as needed for a nice driver, slowly doing more as time and funds permit.
Good luck if you decide to give it a go.
Terry
Last edited by teranfon; 03-22-2011 at 10:48 PM.
03-22-2011, 06:08 PM
#16
_____ like a rabbit
Is the car complete? What condition is the powertrain and body in?
The price of the car is of little consequence. It could even be free, but you need to consider restoration costs. And more importantly, you need to consider why you want to restore it. If it's the love and admiration of a particular car and the want to undertake a project, then perhaps it may be something to consider. If it's for monetary gain, then run away from the car as fast as you can.
Restorations always take twice as long and are much more expensive than anticipated. If you are still considering this project, then the first thing is to see the availability of parts. Spend a few hours online and look for vendors that deal specifically with the car you want to restore. This includes NOS, reproduction, and wrecked parts. Then decide the type of restoration you want to do. Will it be fairly basic with basic mechanical repairs and cosmetics? Or are you looking for something more detailed. Perhaps you are considering an exacting, nut and bolt type restoration. And finally, decide you much work you will do yourself. Are you capable of rebuilding an engine and performing bodywork, or does knowledge and space only permit the assembling of parts that have been restored by professional shops.
I'm not trying to deter you, or anyone from doing a restoration, but consider everything involved before undertaking a project such as this. Costs, time, space, and ability should all be considerations. My restorations, although much more detailed and precise than most, generally cost upwards of $50 000 and take tremendous amounts of time. This includes me doing the lion's share of the work except for exterior paint. And throughout the years I've accumulated the proper tools and space required for such projects. Most are done for substantially less, but probably more than what you're allowing. If you like the car, then I say go for it. Do not expect, however, for the restoration to be easy. If the car is a basic runner, you may want to pick it up and repair as needed for a nice driver, slowly doing more as time and funds permit.
Good luck if you decide to give it a go.
Terry
The price of the car is of little consequence. It could even be free, but you need to consider restoration costs. And more importantly, you need to consider why you want to restore it. If it's the love and admiration of a particular car and the want to undertake a project, then perhaps it may be something to consider. If it's for monetary gain, then run away from the car as fast as you can.
Restorations always take twice as long and are much more expensive than anticipated. If you are still considering this project, then the first thing is to see the availability of parts. Spend a few hours online and look for vendors that deal specifically with the car you want to restore. This includes NOS, reproduction, and wrecked parts. Then decide the type of restoration you want to do. Will it be fairly basic with basic mechanical repairs and cosmetics? Or are you looking for something more detailed. Perhaps you are considering an exacting, nut and bolt type restoration. And finally, decide you much work you will do yourself. Are you capable of rebuilding an engine and performing bodywork, or does knowledge and space only permit the assembling of parts that have been restored by professional shops.
I'm not trying to deter you, or anyone from doing a restoration, but consider everything involved before undertaking a project such as this. Costs, time, space, and ability should all be considerations. My restorations, although much more detailed and precise than most, generally cost upwards of $50 000 and take tremendous amounts of time. This includes me doing the lion's share of the work except for exterior paint. And throughout the years I've accumulated the proper tools and space required for such projects. Most are done for substantially less, but probably more than what you're allowing. If you like the car, then I say go for it. Do not expect, however, for the restoration to be easy. If the car is a basic runner, you may want to pick it up and repair as needed for a nice driver, slowly doing more as time and funds permit.
Good luck if you decide to give it a go.
Terry
03-22-2011, 07:52 PM
#17
i was looking into restoring it for personal use. after speaking to the jy owner he says the underbody is rusted but the entire car is there. nobody has needed a part for it in the year he has had it.
the underbody rust is a dealbreaker for me. sucks because i remember seeing a white one a few years ago and thinking "thats a car with character"
if anyone is interested in it or parts for it them LMK because im sure these things are rare.
the underbody rust is a dealbreaker for me. sucks because i remember seeing a white one a few years ago and thinking "thats a car with character"if anyone is interested in it or parts for it them LMK because im sure these things are rare.
03-22-2011, 08:08 PM
#18
i was looking into restoring it for personal use. after speaking to the jy owner he says the underbody is rusted but the entire car is there. nobody has needed a part for it in the year he has had it.
the underbody rust is a dealbreaker for me. sucks because i remember seeing a white one a few years ago and thinking "thats a car with character"
if anyone is interested in it or parts for it them LMK because im sure these things are rare.
the underbody rust is a dealbreaker for me. sucks because i remember seeing a white one a few years ago and thinking "thats a car with character"if anyone is interested in it or parts for it them LMK because im sure these things are rare.
I think I would learn more from Terry than any of my professors.
03-22-2011, 09:27 PM
#20
Needs more Lemon Pledge
03-22-2011, 10:17 PM
#21
Drifting
God, ford 200 bucks. If it is a 73 it would be the most sought after model behind the turbo. In 74 they went to the US style bumpers and redesigned the front and rear (I have a 76 non tii I have not finished). Rust can hit these cars pretty hard though. As in the rear shock towers no longer being attached to the car and the pedal box turning into a Flintstones style hole. If you are just looking for one to drive and not collect you may want to look at a solid ti or just plain 2002 that you can just tinker with instead of rebuild. Around here a nice ready to drive example will show up about twice a year for under 6k.
One neat thing about the 2002 is BMW is committed to selling quite a few parts for the car including front fenders and small patch panels. You can order OE parts right from the dealership, and most of the time they are pretty reasonable. Past that there is a wrecking yard in California that specializes in 2002 bits.
One tough lesson I learned is that the same a community and support does not exist for the Bavaria.
One neat thing about the 2002 is BMW is committed to selling quite a few parts for the car including front fenders and small patch panels. You can order OE parts right from the dealership, and most of the time they are pretty reasonable. Past that there is a wrecking yard in California that specializes in 2002 bits.
One tough lesson I learned is that the same a community and support does not exist for the Bavaria.
kinda depends on where this rust that phee is talking about actually is....
03-22-2011, 10:48 PM
#23
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I would do it!
03-22-2011, 10:50 PM
#24
03-22-2011, 11:52 PM
#25
God, ford 200 bucks. If it is a 73 it would be the most sought after model behind the turbo. In 74 they went to the US style bumpers and redesigned the front and rear (I have a 76 non tii I have not finished). Rust can hit these cars pretty hard though. As in the rear shock towers no longer being attached to the car and the pedal box turning into a Flintstones style hole. If you are just looking for one to drive and not collect you may want to look at a solid ti or just plain 2002 that you can just tinker with instead of rebuild. Around here a nice ready to drive example will show up about twice a year for under 6k.
One neat thing about the 2002 is BMW is committed to selling quite a few parts for the car including front fenders and small patch panels. You can order OE parts right from the dealership, and most of the time they are pretty reasonable. Past that there is a wrecking yard in California that specializes in 2002 bits.
One tough lesson I learned is that the same a community and support does not exist for the Bavaria.
One neat thing about the 2002 is BMW is committed to selling quite a few parts for the car including front fenders and small patch panels. You can order OE parts right from the dealership, and most of the time they are pretty reasonable. Past that there is a wrecking yard in California that specializes in 2002 bits.
One tough lesson I learned is that the same a community and support does not exist for the Bavaria.
03-23-2011, 12:17 AM
#26
Drifting
Actually no, anything I need can be sourced from a regular 02 closer to Tucson. Plus if somebody actually wants to restore that Tii it will be nice if they can start with all of the parts.
Last edited by Stapler; 03-23-2011 at 12:24 AM.
03-23-2011, 09:04 AM
#27
AZ Community Team
As always great wisdom from Terry.
A former colleague had a 2002 Tii, my only input is that the Tii is very special in it has the Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection system. It's really tempermental and I can't imagine the injection pump being OK sitting in a junk yard with old gas all these years. The main timed pump is like a Swiss watch with lots of delicate components. Rebuilding them requires espertese and expensive parts.
If you want a DD, it would probably be best to do what my colleague did, install two Webber's and removed the Kugelfischer system. He kept the Kugelfischer, he tried a few times to rebuild the pump and it was always going out of tune quickly so the Webbers provided a reliable solution.
A former colleague had a 2002 Tii, my only input is that the Tii is very special in it has the Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection system. It's really tempermental and I can't imagine the injection pump being OK sitting in a junk yard with old gas all these years. The main timed pump is like a Swiss watch with lots of delicate components. Rebuilding them requires espertese and expensive parts.
If you want a DD, it would probably be best to do what my colleague did, install two Webber's and removed the Kugelfischer system. He kept the Kugelfischer, he tried a few times to rebuild the pump and it was always going out of tune quickly so the Webbers provided a reliable solution.
Is the car complete? What condition is the powertrain and body in?
The price of the car is of little consequence. It could even be free, but you need to consider restoration costs. And more importantly, you need to consider why you want to restore it. If it's the love and admiration of a particular car and the want to undertake a project, then perhaps it may be something to consider. If it's for monetary gain, then run away from the car as fast as you can.
Restorations always take twice as long and are much more expensive than anticipated. If you are still considering this project, then the first thing is to see the availability of parts. Spend a few hours online and look for vendors that deal specifically with the car you want to restore. This includes NOS, reproduction, and wrecked parts. Then decide the type of restoration you want to do. Will it be fairly basic with basic mechanical repairs and cosmetics? Or are you looking for something more detailed. Perhaps you are considering an exacting, nut and bolt type restoration. And finally, decide you much work you will do yourself. Are you capable of rebuilding an engine and performing bodywork, or does knowledge and space only permit the assembling of parts that have been restored by professional shops.
I'm not trying to deter you, or anyone from doing a restoration, but consider everything involved before undertaking a project such as this. Costs, time, space, and ability should all be considerations. My restorations, although much more detailed and precise than most, generally cost upwards of $50 000 and take tremendous amounts of time. This includes me doing the lion's share of the work except for exterior paint. And throughout the years I've accumulated the proper tools and space required for such projects. Some people restore cars for substantially less, but probably more than what you're allowing. If you like the car, then I say go for it. Do not expect, however, for the restoration to be easy. If the car is a basic runner, you may want to pick it up and repair as needed for a nice driver, slowly doing more as time and funds permit.
Good luck if you decide to give it a go.
Terry
The price of the car is of little consequence. It could even be free, but you need to consider restoration costs. And more importantly, you need to consider why you want to restore it. If it's the love and admiration of a particular car and the want to undertake a project, then perhaps it may be something to consider. If it's for monetary gain, then run away from the car as fast as you can.
Restorations always take twice as long and are much more expensive than anticipated. If you are still considering this project, then the first thing is to see the availability of parts. Spend a few hours online and look for vendors that deal specifically with the car you want to restore. This includes NOS, reproduction, and wrecked parts. Then decide the type of restoration you want to do. Will it be fairly basic with basic mechanical repairs and cosmetics? Or are you looking for something more detailed. Perhaps you are considering an exacting, nut and bolt type restoration. And finally, decide you much work you will do yourself. Are you capable of rebuilding an engine and performing bodywork, or does knowledge and space only permit the assembling of parts that have been restored by professional shops.
I'm not trying to deter you, or anyone from doing a restoration, but consider everything involved before undertaking a project such as this. Costs, time, space, and ability should all be considerations. My restorations, although much more detailed and precise than most, generally cost upwards of $50 000 and take tremendous amounts of time. This includes me doing the lion's share of the work except for exterior paint. And throughout the years I've accumulated the proper tools and space required for such projects. Some people restore cars for substantially less, but probably more than what you're allowing. If you like the car, then I say go for it. Do not expect, however, for the restoration to be easy. If the car is a basic runner, you may want to pick it up and repair as needed for a nice driver, slowly doing more as time and funds permit.
Good luck if you decide to give it a go.
Terry
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