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Pfaffenhausen Journal
Call for Speed Limit Has German Blood at 178 m.p.h. Boil
By MARK LANDLER
PFAFFENHAUSEN, Germany, March 14 — Ask Marc Bongers about the wisdom of introducing a speed limit on the German autobahn, and he answers by impatiently revving the 435-horsepower engine of a specially modified Porsche. Slowpokes, he said, already spoil half the fun.
“A lady,” Mr. Bongers sniffed, as a Mercedes scuttled out of his way in the passing lane on a busy highway in southern Bavaria. “And she’s talking on her phone,” he said the other day, shooting her a sidelong glance. “Doesn’t she know it’s against the law to do that on the autobahn?”
With a stretch of empty road ahead, Mr. Bongers floored the gas pedal, and within seconds the speedometer registered 286 kilometers an hour (178 m.p.h.) — something that is still legal here. That, by way of comparison, is about the speed of a commercial jet taking off.
Few things are closer to the German heart than the freedom to drive like Michael Schumacher, the fabled Formula One champion. Rule-bound and risk-averse in so many other ways, Germans regard driving on the autobahn at face-peeling speeds as close to an inalienable right.
Now, though, Germany’s love of speed is colliding with its fears about global warming, as it becomes clear that its Sunday race-car drivers are spewing tons of carbon dioxide into the air.
Last week, the European Union’s environment commissioner, Stavros Dimas of Greece, set off a national debate here by suggesting that the German government introduce a general speed limit on the autobahn.
To be sure, at least half of the 7,500 miles of autobahn already have either permanent or temporary speed limits. But the autobahn’s anything-goes stretches are the world’s fastest public roads.
“Speed limits are useful for many reasons, and are the order of the day in most of the E.U.’s 27 member states and the United States,” Mr. Dimas said in an interview with the mass-market newspaper Bild. “Strangely enough, it is only in Germany where they are controversial.”
No kidding. His mild words were met with heated indignation from politicians and automotive groups here. Some acted as if Brussels were demanding that Germany outlaw beer and bratwurst.
This is “a trivialization of the climate problem,” declared the German environment minister, Sigmar Gabriel. The German Association of the Automotive Industry said Germans needed “no coaching” from other Europeans on how to protect the environment.
Even Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has put climate change at the top of her agenda as current president of the European Union and the Group of 8 industrial nations, opposes a uniform speed limit.
She is hardly a car buff. Unlike her predecessor, Gerhard Schröder, she is rarely photographed behind the wheel. But she seems to realize that, like Social Security in the United States, the autobahn is the third rail of German politics — potentially deadly to those who dare touch it.
Critics brandish statistics that show a speed limit of 120 kilometers an hour (75 m.p.h.) would reduce Germany’s overall carbon-dioxide emissions by a few million tons a year, less than 0.5 percent. Better, they say, to focus on building more efficient power plants and houses.
Yet, as environmental groups and a few lonely politicians point out, a few million tons of carbon dioxide is still a considerable savings. Unlike other measures — clean coal plants or hybrid cars, for example — a speed limit could be imposed tomorrow and at relatively little cost.
“Our politicians like to say that Germany should not have to do more than other European countries on climate change, but in this area, we are doing less,” said Josef Göppel, one of the few conservative members of Parliament who favor a limit.
For years, speed limit advocates tried to argue their case on safety grounds. The autobahn, though, is statistically safer than highways in many countries, even if its crashes are singularly horrific. Saving the planet, it turns out, may be more persuasive than saving lives.
“Given the pride of Germans about being No. 1 in protecting the environment, this could lead to a breakthrough,” said Peter Schneider, a writer who limits himself to 90 m.p.h. on the autobahn.
Mr. Schneider is realistic. Driving fast, he said, is deeply rooted in the German psyche — a form of expression that survived even World War II. It is an addiction that crosses social and political boundaries.
“I have friends who are left-leaning intellectuals, and they’re proud to tell me they can get to Hamburg from Berlin in two hours,” Mr. Schneider said. (That requires driving an average of 87 m.p.h.)
Germany also has a powerful economic incentive to resist a speed limit. It builds some of the world’s fastest cars, and the autobahn is a valuable showcase and marketing tool for the industry. A tour operator even organizes driving tours of the highway for Chinese visitors.
Car connoisseurs from around the world flock to Pfaffenhausen, a one-horse town where the local company, Ruf Automobile, makes cars with many horses. Mr. Bongers, the sales manager, said people who bought these custom-modified Porsches often took them for a spin on the autobahn. For most, it is the only place they can legally test the top speed of their new toys.
“It’s a kind of freedom,” said Mr. Bongers, 40, who once pushed his own Porsche 911 to over 187 m.p.h. to prove he had the guts to do it. “Speed is relative on the autobahn.”
Alois Ruf, a courtly, nattily dressed man who took over the family business from his father in 1974, said he did not know enough about the science to judge whether a speed limit would significantly reduce carbon dioxide emissions. But the debate feels oddly familiar to him.
In the depths of the oil crisis in late 1973, West Germany imposed a speed limit of 100 kilometers an hour (60 m.p.h.). Four months later, the government rescinded it. Mr. Ruf recalls worrying during those dark days that the family’s sports car business was doomed.
“This is a dream we are selling to the world,” he said. “It’s a tradition I think we have to defend.”
Pfaffenhausen Journal
Call for Speed Limit Has German Blood at 178 m.p.h. Boil
By MARK LANDLER
PFAFFENHAUSEN, Germany, March 14 — Ask Marc Bongers about the wisdom of introducing a speed limit on the German autobahn, and he answers by impatiently revving the 435-horsepower engine of a specially modified Porsche. Slowpokes, he said, already spoil half the fun.
“A lady,” Mr. Bongers sniffed, as a Mercedes scuttled out of his way in the passing lane on a busy highway in southern Bavaria. “And she’s talking on her phone,” he said the other day, shooting her a sidelong glance. “Doesn’t she know it’s against the law to do that on the autobahn?”
With a stretch of empty road ahead, Mr. Bongers floored the gas pedal, and within seconds the speedometer registered 286 kilometers an hour (178 m.p.h.) — something that is still legal here. That, by way of comparison, is about the speed of a commercial jet taking off.
Few things are closer to the German heart than the freedom to drive like Michael Schumacher, the fabled Formula One champion. Rule-bound and risk-averse in so many other ways, Germans regard driving on the autobahn at face-peeling speeds as close to an inalienable right.
Now, though, Germany’s love of speed is colliding with its fears about global warming, as it becomes clear that its Sunday race-car drivers are spewing tons of carbon dioxide into the air.
Last week, the European Union’s environment commissioner, Stavros Dimas of Greece, set off a national debate here by suggesting that the German government introduce a general speed limit on the autobahn.
To be sure, at least half of the 7,500 miles of autobahn already have either permanent or temporary speed limits. But the autobahn’s anything-goes stretches are the world’s fastest public roads.
“Speed limits are useful for many reasons, and are the order of the day in most of the E.U.’s 27 member states and the United States,” Mr. Dimas said in an interview with the mass-market newspaper Bild. “Strangely enough, it is only in Germany where they are controversial.”
No kidding. His mild words were met with heated indignation from politicians and automotive groups here. Some acted as if Brussels were demanding that Germany outlaw beer and bratwurst.
This is “a trivialization of the climate problem,” declared the German environment minister, Sigmar Gabriel. The German Association of the Automotive Industry said Germans needed “no coaching” from other Europeans on how to protect the environment.
Even Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has put climate change at the top of her agenda as current president of the European Union and the Group of 8 industrial nations, opposes a uniform speed limit.
She is hardly a car buff. Unlike her predecessor, Gerhard Schröder, she is rarely photographed behind the wheel. But she seems to realize that, like Social Security in the United States, the autobahn is the third rail of German politics — potentially deadly to those who dare touch it.
Critics brandish statistics that show a speed limit of 120 kilometers an hour (75 m.p.h.) would reduce Germany’s overall carbon-dioxide emissions by a few million tons a year, less than 0.5 percent. Better, they say, to focus on building more efficient power plants and houses.
Yet, as environmental groups and a few lonely politicians point out, a few million tons of carbon dioxide is still a considerable savings. Unlike other measures — clean coal plants or hybrid cars, for example — a speed limit could be imposed tomorrow and at relatively little cost.
“Our politicians like to say that Germany should not have to do more than other European countries on climate change, but in this area, we are doing less,” said Josef Göppel, one of the few conservative members of Parliament who favor a limit.
For years, speed limit advocates tried to argue their case on safety grounds. The autobahn, though, is statistically safer than highways in many countries, even if its crashes are singularly horrific. Saving the planet, it turns out, may be more persuasive than saving lives.
“Given the pride of Germans about being No. 1 in protecting the environment, this could lead to a breakthrough,” said Peter Schneider, a writer who limits himself to 90 m.p.h. on the autobahn.
Mr. Schneider is realistic. Driving fast, he said, is deeply rooted in the German psyche — a form of expression that survived even World War II. It is an addiction that crosses social and political boundaries.
“I have friends who are left-leaning intellectuals, and they’re proud to tell me they can get to Hamburg from Berlin in two hours,” Mr. Schneider said. (That requires driving an average of 87 m.p.h.)
Germany also has a powerful economic incentive to resist a speed limit. It builds some of the world’s fastest cars, and the autobahn is a valuable showcase and marketing tool for the industry. A tour operator even organizes driving tours of the highway for Chinese visitors.
Car connoisseurs from around the world flock to Pfaffenhausen, a one-horse town where the local company, Ruf Automobile, makes cars with many horses. Mr. Bongers, the sales manager, said people who bought these custom-modified Porsches often took them for a spin on the autobahn. For most, it is the only place they can legally test the top speed of their new toys.
“It’s a kind of freedom,” said Mr. Bongers, 40, who once pushed his own Porsche 911 to over 187 m.p.h. to prove he had the guts to do it. “Speed is relative on the autobahn.”
Alois Ruf, a courtly, nattily dressed man who took over the family business from his father in 1974, said he did not know enough about the science to judge whether a speed limit would significantly reduce carbon dioxide emissions. But the debate feels oddly familiar to him.
In the depths of the oil crisis in late 1973, West Germany imposed a speed limit of 100 kilometers an hour (60 m.p.h.). Four months later, the government rescinded it. Mr. Ruf recalls worrying during those dark days that the family’s sports car business was doomed.
“This is a dream we are selling to the world,” he said. “It’s a tradition I think we have to defend.”
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Before we know it, we'll be stuck in padded rooms and never able to leave the house. I'm tired of governments trying to protect us from anything/everything.
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Someone needs to provide Mr. Schneider with a dictionary.
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Sucks that the limit would only be 75 mph.... It'll be a HUGE adjustment for people who normally drive on those roads.
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does jens know about this?
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Some thoughts to the subject of speed limits :-)
To clear up a number of misconceptions I thought I might chime in here. Speed limits on the Autobahn would serve no purpose and here is why. Well over 50 percent of the Autobahn is already restricted to 130 KPH (Kilometers per hour). The actual average road speed here as determined by the TÜV is only 120 KPH. Adding a speed limit is senseless since it would really accomplish nothing. So why is there so much hoopla over the speed limit then you might ask?? The answer is simple, it is a symbolic issue meant to distract the average person from the real issues at hand. Should the speed limit be enforced there would be a virtually unmeasurable change in the amount of C02 pollution so again what is the point of the law?? The current push for the speed limit came at the urge of the Enviromental Minister within the EU. This gentlemen happens to be Greek, I have nothing against Greeks or Greece but the general concensus is that before Germany enforces a symbolic and senseless law the Greeks might like to take a stab at cleaning up their very poor record of doing anything for the environment at all. This is in the end nothing more than a Minister trying to make a name for himself within the EU governing body. Taking on the German Autobahn is a nice Political target but will do nothing for the environment.
Some other things to consider: Fuel costs, I pay on average 3.5 to 4 times what you good people in the USA pay for Fuel. I do not actually need a law to tell me that driving 130 is less expensive than driving 210 (top speed on my car). In the event that I cause an accident that is only due to excessive speed my car insurance does not have to pay dime one ................ NOT ONE RED CENT ! Let that thought go through your head for a minute and you will understand that speed has a price here far beyond just enviromental and fuel costs. The idea that everyone here with a car is rampaging down the Autobahn is ludicrous .....it is way too damn expensive! The fact that we can if need be travel at safe high speeds when needed is testament to the high quality of the roads and infinitely higher standards/responsibilities placed on drivers here.
A number of you have shown interest in trying the Autobahn on for size, nice idea, if you do decide to try it please know that this is a transportation system and NOT a race track. Please drive carefully, these speeds are no joke and mistakes made by the inexperienced are often followed by harrowing crashes and sadly sometimes death.
If you do come over and you happen to be on Autobahn A4, A13,A38 in the area around Dresden, Leipzig or Berlin and you look in the rear view mirror and see a red Alfa Romeo 156 Berlina with License Plate KM-JH-12 MOVE OVER DAMMIT I AM IN A HURRY !!!
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To clear up a number of misconceptions I thought I might chime in here. Speed limits on the Autobahn would serve no purpose and here is why. Well over 50 percent of the Autobahn is already restricted to 130 KPH (Kilometers per hour). The actual average road speed here as determined by the TÜV is only 120 KPH. Adding a speed limit is senseless since it would really accomplish nothing. So why is there so much hoopla over the speed limit then you might ask?? The answer is simple, it is a symbolic issue meant to distract the average person from the real issues at hand. Should the speed limit be enforced there would be a virtually unmeasurable change in the amount of C02 pollution so again what is the point of the law?? The current push for the speed limit came at the urge of the Enviromental Minister within the EU. This gentlemen happens to be Greek, I have nothing against Greeks or Greece but the general concensus is that before Germany enforces a symbolic and senseless law the Greeks might like to take a stab at cleaning up their very poor record of doing anything for the environment at all. This is in the end nothing more than a Minister trying to make a name for himself within the EU governing body. Taking on the German Autobahn is a nice Political target but will do nothing for the environment.
Some other things to consider: Fuel costs, I pay on average 3.5 to 4 times what you good people in the USA pay for Fuel. I do not actually need a law to tell me that driving 130 is less expensive than driving 210 (top speed on my car). In the event that I cause an accident that is only due to excessive speed my car insurance does not have to pay dime one ................ NOT ONE RED CENT ! Let that thought go through your head for a minute and you will understand that speed has a price here far beyond just enviromental and fuel costs. The idea that everyone here with a car is rampaging down the Autobahn is ludicrous .....it is way too damn expensive! The fact that we can if need be travel at safe high speeds when needed is testament to the high quality of the roads and infinitely higher standards/responsibilities placed on drivers here.
A number of you have shown interest in trying the Autobahn on for size, nice idea, if you do decide to try it please know that this is a transportation system and NOT a race track. Please drive carefully, these speeds are no joke and mistakes made by the inexperienced are often followed by harrowing crashes and sadly sometimes death.
If you do come over and you happen to be on Autobahn A4, A13,A38 in the area around Dresden, Leipzig or Berlin and you look in the rear view mirror and see a red Alfa Romeo 156 Berlina with License Plate KM-JH-12 MOVE OVER DAMMIT I AM IN A HURRY !!!
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Should the speed limit be enforced there would be a virtually unmeasurable change in the amount of C02 pollution so again what is the point of the law??
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Wait, so a million tons of carbon dioxide is virtually unmeasurable? I beg to differ. If slowing down a little means extending the life of our environment, then I'm all for it.
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3.20.2007 update , and the latest attempt to bring to discussion a potential national speed limit in Germany.................... Rejected :-)
Jens :-) happy happy joy joy !!!
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Originally Posted by gatrhumpy
Wait, so a million tons of carbon dioxide is virtually unmeasurable? I beg to differ. If slowing down a little means extending the life of our environment, then I'm all for it.
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Ridiculous. I mean ridiculous how they won't establish a speed limit. Isn't there a law in Europe where you can get heavily fined for idling a car? And now a proposition to impose a speed limit is denied. Driving at excessive speeds produces WAY more pollution and consumes WAY more fuel/petrol than idling your car, to a certain extent. I mean seriously, what would burn more gas and produce more CO2, driving your Veyron at 250 MPH for 2 minutes straight or idling your car for 2 minutes straight?
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Originally Posted by JensH1963
Just for the sake of it, 120 kph is comparable to the average speeds attained in the USA on major highways especially at rush hour where the police in my own experience rarely patrol, and we do this with relatively small fuell efficient cars that adhere to a tighter emissions law than your own.SO if we are going to talk about reducing C02 (read the previous posters post, makes for interesting reading :-)) it is good to see how you yourself and your countrymen do things especially if you live in a place that produces such milestones of fuel efficiency as the Hummer and the SUV and co. :-) . It is not wise to throw with stones when you live in a fragile house made of glass.
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Except that, oops, Southeast Asia is covered in a brown cloud about 20 miles tall from pollution but hey, go ahead Mr. Greekboy Lefty and peddle your old ass around on a bicycle instead of driving. Let me know how that works out for you ... and your lack of emissions testing and 2000-year old buses that spew diesel particulates into the air by the bucketful.
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The rest of the world has to compensate, yet again, for those ignorant Americans and their complete lack of interest in changing their lifestyles.
Except that, oops, Southeast Asia is covered in a brown cloud about 20 miles tall from pollution but hey, go ahead Mr. Greekboy Lefty and peddle your old ass around on a bicycle instead of driving. Let me know how that works out for you ... and your lack of emissions testing and 2000-year old buses that spew diesel particulates into the air by the bucketful.
Except that, oops, Southeast Asia is covered in a brown cloud about 20 miles tall from pollution but hey, go ahead Mr. Greekboy Lefty and peddle your old ass around on a bicycle instead of driving. Let me know how that works out for you ... and your lack of emissions testing and 2000-year old buses that spew diesel particulates into the air by the bucketful.
A. Enforcing a "speed" limit is more of a symbolic victory than anything, that will have little or no effect on emissions. And
B. The current avg. speed on the autobahn is around 75mph, which is about the speed most folks in the US travel. However in Germany, this is done in more fuel efficient cars (in general) under stricter emissions standards. In other words, before you start looking at Germany as a way to reduce the world's emissions, you might want to look at your own country first, where everyone and their mom seems to drive an SUV.
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Ridiculous. I mean ridiculous how they won't establish a speed limit. Isn't there a law in Europe where you can get heavily fined for idling a car? And now a proposition to impose a speed limit is denied. Driving at excessive speeds produces WAY more pollution and consumes WAY more fuel/petrol than idling your car, to a certain extent. I mean seriously, what would burn more gas and produce more CO2, driving your Veyron at 250 MPH for 2 minutes straight or idling your car for 2 minutes straight?
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Any car in the world can idle, and many people leave their cars idling for prolonged amounts of time for no good reason e.g. running into the store to pick something up. A fraction of the cars in the world can do some serious sustained high speed driving. Per your example, there are only 60 Veyrons in the world, and I doubt that many are even driven regularly. Do you honestly think that Europe is better off policing this minority, rather than the millions of cars that waste gas and pollute via excessive idling?
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Jens nailed it. Its all hype, the autobahn being an easy target. And he's correct, Greece has a horrible environmental record. Anything to get into the news I guess
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To the topic idling your car I might like to add a few points. Number one it is by the way a law here that you shut off your engine at let's say a train crossing or if you are sitting in an area where traffic is clearly not moving. This law however was not conceived as a method for fuel consumption although it is obviously one way to accomplish just that. Originally it was intended to protect people living near these places where traffic frequently stops from noise pollution. Another item that might interest some of you, recently several cities have begun installing timers with visual countdown signs so that you restart your engine in time and do not cause jam up behind you after the traffic has resumed moving.Although I have not yet seen one of these traffic lights with a countdown timer I have heard it works rather well. On another note anyone who has ever driven here will have seen that our traffic lights first turn yellow as warning before the green is given, this was meant to tell people to restart the engine.
"The rest of the world has to compensate, yet again, for those ignorant Americans and their complete lack of interest in changing their lifestyles."
The above qoute is totally incorrect!! Americans are NOT ignorant!! Having Lived there I know this. What is true is that for many years America has had an unusual energy policy that permitted low fuel costs and therefore also the use of vehicles that are to say it politely ...........not fuel eficient. Had America used an energy policy as is common in Europe for example there would have been a drive towards more efficient cars long ago.
To the comments about the Veyron.......... at a cost of a million plus per vehicle I do not think the number of Veyrons out on public roads traveling at whatever speed are actually going to make a difference. Try to keep in mind basic physics, two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time........ so regardless of which I am driving, a Veyron or a Fiat Cinquecento I still cannot go faster than the average simply because neither a Veyron or a Fiat can travel through another car without damaging it.
Southeast Asia is another problem entirely however recent news from China has made it clear that even the one of the last bastions of Communism has recognized the need for an enviromental policy. All of the Nations there are well aware of the need to get moving on realistic policy regarding the environment.
Please note that in the above paragraph I stated "realistic policy" , this is exactly what the speed limit on German Autobahns is NOT, ofcourse we can create and even enforce such a law. The question I have for you however is this and I direct this especially at the people living in America. Somewhere in your Constition is a thing about the RIGHT TO POSSESS FIREARMS, why do I mention this you ask?? because it is engrained in your Country that you have this right even though in reality such a right is questionable. We feel the same way about our Autobahn, Firearms are inherently dangerous devices just like the Autobahn, however in the right hands it is safe.............. keep in mind the following, we do not tell you to change your Constitution , please refrain from telling us how to drive :-)
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"The rest of the world has to compensate, yet again, for those ignorant Americans and their complete lack of interest in changing their lifestyles."
The above qoute is totally incorrect!! Americans are NOT ignorant!! Having Lived there I know this. What is true is that for many years America has had an unusual energy policy that permitted low fuel costs and therefore also the use of vehicles that are to say it politely ...........not fuel eficient. Had America used an energy policy as is common in Europe for example there would have been a drive towards more efficient cars long ago.
To the comments about the Veyron.......... at a cost of a million plus per vehicle I do not think the number of Veyrons out on public roads traveling at whatever speed are actually going to make a difference. Try to keep in mind basic physics, two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time........ so regardless of which I am driving, a Veyron or a Fiat Cinquecento I still cannot go faster than the average simply because neither a Veyron or a Fiat can travel through another car without damaging it.
Southeast Asia is another problem entirely however recent news from China has made it clear that even the one of the last bastions of Communism has recognized the need for an enviromental policy. All of the Nations there are well aware of the need to get moving on realistic policy regarding the environment.
Please note that in the above paragraph I stated "realistic policy" , this is exactly what the speed limit on German Autobahns is NOT, ofcourse we can create and even enforce such a law. The question I have for you however is this and I direct this especially at the people living in America. Somewhere in your Constition is a thing about the RIGHT TO POSSESS FIREARMS, why do I mention this you ask?? because it is engrained in your Country that you have this right even though in reality such a right is questionable. We feel the same way about our Autobahn, Firearms are inherently dangerous devices just like the Autobahn, however in the right hands it is safe.............. keep in mind the following, we do not tell you to change your Constitution , please refrain from telling us how to drive :-)
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Originally Posted by JensH1963
Just for the sake of it, 120 kph is comparable to the average speeds attained in the USA on major highways especially at rush hour where the police in my own experience rarely patrol, and we do this with relatively small fuell efficient cars that adhere to a tighter emissions law than your own.SO if we are going to talk about reducing C02 (read the previous posters post, makes for interesting reading :-)) it is good to see how you yourself and your countrymen do things especially if you live in a place that produces such milestones of fuel efficiency as the Hummer and the SUV and co. :-) . It is not wise to throw with stones when you live in a fragile house made of glass.
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Originally Posted by gatrhumpy
And before you group me in with those people who drive those ridiculous monstrousities, you might want to heed your own advice and listen to yourself. I do not drive a Hummer and I hate anyone who does, even those idiots who drive SUVs that don't need them.
Hate is a strong word,............. 'nuff said.
In rereading my post I did not find a passage that states specifically that you Gatrhumpy drive such a vehicle. Actually I do not know what you drive or if you even possess a Driver's permit. What I should probably have included in my post was a reference to I Go To Costco's remarks about speed limits in Germany since it was his comment that I was replying to.I am sorry if the post was misunderstood by some of you. As far as heeding my own advice............ the last 5 cars I owned were : Nissan 240 SX, Honda Civic DX, Mazda Miata, Volkswagen Golf and my current car Alfa 156, all of them 4 cylinder vehicles. My next car will be a Fiat Cinquecento or possibly a Punto, both are 4 cylinder so to answer your call for me to heed my own advice...................I DID !! and what do you drive??
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Originally Posted by JensH1963
Gatrhumpy,
Hate is a strong word,............. 'nuff said.
In rereading my post I did not find a passage that states specifically that you Gatrhumpy drive such a vehicle. Actually I do not know what you drive or if you even possess a Driver's permit. What I should probably have included in my post was a reference to I Go To Costco's remarks about speed limits in Germany since it was his comment that I was replying to.I am sorry if the post was misunderstood by some of you. As far as heeding my own advice............ the last 5 cars I owned were : Nissan 240 SX, Honda Civic DX, Mazda Miata, Volkswagen Golf and my current car Alfa 156, all of them 4 cylinder vehicles. My next car will be a Fiat Cinquecento or possibly a Punto, both are 4 cylinder so to answer your call for me to heed my own advice...................I DID !! and what do you drive??
Jens
Hate is a strong word,............. 'nuff said.
In rereading my post I did not find a passage that states specifically that you Gatrhumpy drive such a vehicle. Actually I do not know what you drive or if you even possess a Driver's permit. What I should probably have included in my post was a reference to I Go To Costco's remarks about speed limits in Germany since it was his comment that I was replying to.I am sorry if the post was misunderstood by some of you. As far as heeding my own advice............ the last 5 cars I owned were : Nissan 240 SX, Honda Civic DX, Mazda Miata, Volkswagen Golf and my current car Alfa 156, all of them 4 cylinder vehicles. My next car will be a Fiat Cinquecento or possibly a Punto, both are 4 cylinder so to answer your call for me to heed my own advice...................I DID !! and what do you drive??
Jens
I guess I misunderstood you. For that, I am sorry. I myself drive a very fuel-efficient 2004 Honda Accord.
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