phil2

http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallp...AR=231915&CT=V

sho_nuff1997

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i love both of those cars

Donte99TL

Man that 911 GT2 is fast.

FiveLiterCheater

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I'd still take the Z06 though

godfather2

^ me too, it's half the price and sounds like it's putting the devil through an industial sized, v-8, heart-thumping blender

CLpower

Something is VERY VERY wrong with the Z06..........multiple magazines have recorded high 7 to low 8 second 0-100 times for the Vette.......10 seconds is not right.


That said, the GT2 is a beast and I wouldn't be surprised if they dyno around 490 rwhp. But it will be interesting to see some better comparisons when they get a Z06 that's driven/running right.



That said........anyone would be a fool to pick the Z06 over the GT2 if they had an option of one or the other

bgsm1th

Agreed.

fsttyms1

I agree with CLpower. Something has to be wrong with that Z06.


Not to mention ive seen that Dolt review other American made cars and quite frankly i think hes an idiot.

srika

for the 10 sec to 100 in the Z06 I believe they were talking about the run where he missed 3rd ("what was the 100 on the first one" "10 so you can probably take 6/10ths off of that"). And, keep in mind Porsche's number for the GT2 at the Ring is 7:32. It is one fast mutha. It ran 11.4 @ 128 according to MT. But still, I do think that Z06 was not running optimally.. esp the head-to-head race. Should have been a bit closer.

srika

dang the Z06 powerslide at the end of the vid was FTW! that guy can drive!

iforyou

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damn it seems like the Z06 just doesn't like foreign countries! It got pwned by 911 Turbo in Best Motoring and now in Britain. hmm..weird...

LIPPSTUH

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yum that gt2

RMATIC09

i thought the carrera GT was the most exp. porsche?

iforyou

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He said it's the most expensive 911.

onebadna1nsx

Oh god that GT2 is epic!

98VtecCl

Anyone that chooses the Z06 over the Porsche has not driven a new generation 911 (997). I have, I was a Porsche Parts Manager and drove them all, with the exception of the Carrera GT. I don't care how fast the Z06 is, it will never be the driving experience of the Porsche.

FiveLiterCheater

Its all opinion....Something about a giant 7 litre pushrod V8 sending almost 500 HP the rear wheels. Plus the Vette' looks way more bad ass than the porsche...Porsches look way to feminine now, esp with the new "beetle" headlights

srika

fail.

S14 n Tsx

GT2 is a beast.

ilitig8

Just get behind the wheel of a 911 (any 997) and get on a wide open runway and close your eyes, the amount you can "see" with your hands is unreal, and only beated by some exotics and of course something with Lotus on the boot (or in the case of the M/R cars bonnet).

The GT2 is a MONSTER and unlike most "exotics" extra power is easy and relatively cheap.

ilitig8

You are correct in that it is all an opinion. Why have 7 liters doing it when you can have 3.6 liters pushing the same (likely more) hp to the rear wheels? In my eyes the Z06 looks much less bad ass then a GT2 (or 3) the former always looks a little too over done with its lesser sibling looking better to my eye (and the ZR-1 just gets worse).


I found it strange that you said the Porshes look feminine NOW with the as you call it Beetle eyes, then I noticed your age and realize your car days have been in the 996 era. The 996 era's headlights were universally scorned by the Porsche cognescenti and the return of the classic look headlamps with the 997 was considered to be making the earth turn in the correct direction again.

I certainly get the "my own money" buys the Z06 (though I'm thinking GT-R in the range) but dollars be damned and I can't for the life of me see taking the Vette unless I was a died in the wool Vette fan boy. The Z06 is in the ballpark for performance (in a straight line) but from that point it just doesn't cut the mustard, except if the exterior of the GT2 are that abhorent to someone.

The Vette is a phenom, a tad better than the GT3 time wise and at least in the ballpark of a GT2 for C2 money, but if the wallet is fat enough then GT2 it should be, as they say "If you can you must".

majin ssj eric

I'll take the GT-R......



(that ought to get this thread going)

TLdriver022

I totally agree.

iTimmy

Admittedly I am a P-car fan, but there is no reason the GT2 walked all over the Z06 like that, I'm sure it may be the faster car, but it was much faster then I was expecting.

iforyou

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^ Actually they couldn't make the 911 GT2 go as fast as Porsche claimed it would do. The Z06 on the other hand simply had some problem, or at least that's what they thought. I think it would be a closer race too if the Z06 was in good condition, but nevertheless it would still lose that the GT2.

cusdaddy

The MSRP of the GT2 is $192K versus $72K for the vette. You can almost buy 3 Z06's for the price of a single GT2. Of course anyone in their right mind if had the choice of either without paying any difference would get the GT2, but my issue with the GT2 is that it's definitely not worth that money. I'd much rather have a 430 or Gallardo for that amount.

For the performance per $$ ratio, you can't beat the Z06 or GT-R. Of course, you get what you pay for regarding interior quality, exterior quality and badge stature, but their performance to dollar ratio is amazing.

Regarding the 3.6L versus 7.0L, the Z06 actually gets identical city and better fuel economy. Yes, the 3.6L produces a bit more HP and Torque, but it's FI. If you want more power from a Vette with FI and still be about half as expensive as the GT2, get a ZR1 with ~100hp more than the GT2.

Overall, they are both fantastic cars, but in no way really competitors due to the price differential. I find the GT3 closer to the Z06 personally as it's more raw and bare bones and closer in price.

ilitig8

I agree with much of what you said and I would rather have a 430 as well (though more finiky and expensive to maintain), now I'll take the GT2 over the "V dub tractor". The one legitimate reason to pick the GT2 over the 430 would be if you are a track junkie (read skilled) since the GT2 can be run hard and put up wet, the 430 will no accept the abuse nearly as well.

I also agree in general as stated before the performance/$$ ratio is excellent with the Nissan and the Chevy but I would argue the performance vs price ratio begins to head right toward diminishing returns in a new car just past a Chevy Aveo...

As for the engine issue fuel economy is a absolute non-issue at this end of the spectrum and my point was more like who cars how you get 500hp as long as you get it (except if it sounds like a flat plane cranked N/A V8 ala Ferrari you get mad rep points). As for the ZR-1 I couldn't drive it when I knew what it looked like outside and seeing that rediculous hood window that has to be the biggest failed homage to a M/R Ferrari.

As for your final statement if you replace GT3RS the statement is more accurate. The GT2 and 3 are about the same level of bare in the 997 and I think the raw statement is way outta line, one of the quickest ways to experience raw is throw over 500 HP and great torque to the rear wheels of an ass engined car and light the fuse... the GT2 doesn't have the traditional nickname "widow maker" for no reason!

charliemike

The GT2 is an amazing car ... Keep in mind it's 3 to 4 times more expensive than the Z06.

v6cord2k5

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N/A ftw.

monaroCountry

You should see how this guy drove the Porsche 9ff........................his shifting was painful to watch.

optionfans

damn hot man

Black CL-S 4-Life

I'm amazed that the GT2 walked the Z06 like that. Especially since the Z06 is a known highway killer.

Seattle Cl-S

The many C2, C2S, C4 and C4S 911's I've passed on the road course in my CADILLAC don't seem to think the driving experience is all that great. Now, imagine how they feel when a ZO6 rips them a new one and also takes on the Turbos.

rp_guy

must've been at a higher elevation

http://www.2-stroke-porting.com/altiden.htm

seriously, the stats on the 2 cars are so similar.. there's no way that the Z06 could lose that badly

iforyou

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^ The video mentioned that there's probably something wrong with the Z06. With that said, the 911 Turbo is as fast as a Z06, while the GT2 has 40 more hp, and ~200kg less weight than a normal 911 Turbo.

srika

no, it's not.

iforyou

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Well, may be the 911 Turbo Tiptronic is a bit faster in the 1/4 mile..but close enough...as most mags quote the same time for both cars...most within 0.1s.

Costco

Honestly I'd rather take a GT3 over either of them, or at least a GT2 with a GT3 front/rear end conversion. The GT2 is ugly looking with that huge double-decker wing and gills on the rear bumper. The front end isn't ugly but it isn't exactly beautiful either. The C6, even in Z06 form has what someone called "afterthought headlights" and I kinda agree. GT3 is the best looking with the Z06 in 2nd and the GT2 last.

That said, in terms of what I'd really want its GT2>GT3>Z06... simply don't see any other way around it

The GT-R is dead last in this sort of company.... takes the cake for ugliest car in its price segment, and then some, and I'd rather row gears anyday than just step on it and go. If I drove the GT-R on the track 100% of the time I'd be silly not to choose it for its ease of driving, but frankly if I were in a front-end crash it would probably end up looking better afterwards than before.

srika

I was talking about roadcourse, where the Z06 will consistently run a few seconds faster than a 997T, on a regular course. If you want to talk 1/4 mile, the ET may be similar but the 997T traps 118-120 while the Z06 is at 125-127. BIG difference.

And, the last test I saw of the 997GT2, it ran 11.4 @ 127.9 - it is MUCH faster than the regular T.

phil2

gt3 rear bumper is the sexiest Porsche ass ever!