2010 SH-AWD or Audi quattro A4?
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Congrats. Post pics once it comes in.
#123
I'm the Firestarter
You have chosen wisely.
Well, I don't know about wisely, but you certainly picked the better-looking car.
Well, I don't know about wisely, but you certainly picked the better-looking car.
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Please provide some insight to support this. I'm really curious to hear because of the thousands of cars on the Audi Forums, very few have problems like that. And these are people that DO push their cars harder than others do because of modifications, taking them to the track, etc. So it's safe to assume that these individuals would be the first to experience problems with the motor, etc. Suspension maybe not as much if they swapped parts out, but still. It's not as widespread as you claim them to be.
I guess based on your argument 6spd tranny failures for Honda was a drop in the bucket compared to Audi.
I guess based on your argument 6spd tranny failures for Honda was a drop in the bucket compared to Audi.
It seems as though they believe the Audi of today is still the same Audi of the late 80's, early 90's
but anyways, you guys keep loving them, it works for me. my money won't go there yet.
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I don't think hard driving is an issue at all. I think they tolerate that incredibly well. and while I'm not going to pick through too much info, it they are so wonderful then why is there over 40 problem related tsb's for an '06 2.0T A4? I do know that does not mean every car will have every problem, but it does mean alot of cars will have many of the problems.
But if TSB's are your qualifying mark of degradation of a companies reliability, Here are some interesting numbers that may sway the support you want to prove your point:
2001 Acura CL: 123 TSB
2003 Acura CL: 100 TSB
2001 Acura TL: 142 TSB
2003 Acura TL: 115 TSB
2002 Acura RSX: 110 TSB
2005 Acura RSX: 15 TSB
And just to verify your numbers and prove my point of first model year and last model year of a vehicle, they use the TSB info to update the build process to avoid future problems, duh!2003 Acura CL: 100 TSB
2001 Acura TL: 142 TSB
2003 Acura TL: 115 TSB
2002 Acura RSX: 110 TSB
2005 Acura RSX: 15 TSB
2006 Audi A4: 48 TSB reported by the NTSB.
2008 Audi A4: 26 TSB reported.
All of these results were obtained using the NTSB website2008 Audi A4: 26 TSB reported.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr.../tsbsearch.cfm
So do you still think TSBs are an indication of poor quality?
Last edited by Sly Raskal; 10-29-2009 at 09:37 AM.
#128
Here's the thing with TSBs, all they are is a formal acknowledgement that a problem exists and that the manufacturer is willing to address the problem from their end so that the owner of the vehicle doesn't have to. Sure the increased number of TSBs could be attributed to more problems on the A4, but the '06 A4 you speak of was the FIRST model year for the B7 platform, it's a no brainer that there would be more TSB's for the first model year of a new platform for a vehicle. Since you work for Audi, how many TSB's were released for 2008 model Audi A4s?
But if TSB's are your qualifying mark of degradation of a companies reliability, Here are some interesting numbers that may sway the support you want to prove your point:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr.../tsbsearch.cfm
So do you still think TSBs are an indication of poor quality?
But if TSB's are your qualifying mark of degradation of a companies reliability, Here are some interesting numbers that may sway the support you want to prove your point:
2001 Acura CL: 123 TSB
2003 Acura CL: 100 TSB
2001 Acura TL: 142 TSB
2003 Acura TL: 115 TSB
2002 Acura RSX: 110 TSB
2005 Acura RSX: 15 TSB
And just to verify your numbers and prove my point of first model year and last model year of a vehicle, they use the TSB info to update the build process to avoid future problems, duh!2003 Acura CL: 100 TSB
2001 Acura TL: 142 TSB
2003 Acura TL: 115 TSB
2002 Acura RSX: 110 TSB
2005 Acura RSX: 15 TSB
2006 Audi A4: 48 TSB reported by the NTSB.
2008 Audi A4: 26 TSB reported.
All of these results were obtained using the NTSB website2008 Audi A4: 26 TSB reported.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr.../tsbsearch.cfm
So do you still think TSBs are an indication of poor quality?
we have now sidetracked from my comment that the guy's car really didn't have that many problems. that's all my comment was. what did he have? 5 issues in 72K miles? that's pretty damn insignificant. he thought it was bad, but really, it wasn't.
#131
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#132
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Here's the thing: when you're working in a service department you're almost always dealing with cars that have problems. It doesn't matter if it's an Acura, Audi or MB service department. If you've been working at Audi for that long, you've probably used to seeing nothing but these problem cars. I wouldn't be surprised if Honda/Acura gets cars in for problems of similar severity, although I don't deny that Honda engines are likely to be more reliable.
#133
Here's the thing: when you're working in a service department you're almost always dealing with cars that have problems. It doesn't matter if it's an Acura, Audi or MB service department. If you've been working at Audi for that long, you've probably used to seeing nothing but these problem cars. I wouldn't be surprised if Honda/Acura gets cars in for problems of similar severity, although I don't deny that Honda engines are likely to be more reliable.
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Could my car have problems? Of course, but so did my Acura. I think they are both on par nowadays with reliability.
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#134
I have a few months until the car comes in so I am researching tires/rims right now. I would prefer to just get the stock audi 17" rims and OEM tires and use the 18" setup after spring comes in. Lots of variables such as rim weight, offset etc. I think I would prefer to get some of the above mentioned used from someone if possible.
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