Riiiiiight. And my neighbor who just picked up a Porsche Turbo and rants and raves about it is wrong too b/c some magazines like the Nissan GTR better.

Plus, who is even talking about the 1.8T engine? I've driven several in just about every config (FWD stick and auto, AWD stick and auto) and that engine was a dog in stock form. But that's not what we're talking about, so it's irrelevant. Why not mention the 1.6L engine in the Audi 80 while you're at it?



Whatever, enjoy your highly reviewed Miley Cyrus songs and using opinions in magazines to tell people their opinions and experiences are wrong....


Don't even bother replying... b/c what ever you say is wrong .

 

I looked at your thread a long time ago. Now I'm like reading everything in there right now... AZ kills my work productivity. Just today though

Hmm.. 4 months sounds really...........long. sigh. But I do fully understand that it is better to wait and special order the car. When I bought my previous car 3G TL, the dealership that I went to didn't have any MT TLs in stock. I just bought an automatic one and regretted it every single day for the next 4 years. So yeah.. I'll talk to my gf tonight to see what she wants to do.

 

With 258lbft of torque at such low rpm, it should feel as powerful as those 3.2-3.5L engines.

 

For everyday driving, it may even feel faster, given the the torque curve. If you push it to high RPMs, however, it will start to run out of power compared to the V6s.

 

My S4 took exactly 5 months.

 

I will most likely be picking up a 2010 Ice silver/black int A4, premium plus w/navigation MT on Monday or Tuesday. Paid invoice for it so it seems like a good deal to me. Financing sucks but it will be paid off in less than 2 yrs if I plan on keeping it.
$40,710.00 out the door.

Will be thinking of the reflash after a year or so. Can't wait.

 

Get the sports pacakge! Its worth it!

 

I'd definitely get the A4. However, I'd opt for the manual. When I test drove the auto it felt quite sluggish.

Oh, and you definitely want to do at least an ECU reflash as many others have suggested. It's a completely different beast with all the extra power and torque. The turbo is a bit small though, so it'll run out of steam by 6k RPM or so.

 

Agree on the looks of a 4G TL but I was curious how th A4 compared to my 6MT 3G TL in speed

1/4 mile
15.0 @ 92 2009 A4 6AT
14.4 @ 99 2004 TL 6MT

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...a2c489e3c6.pdf

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...ea7df17336.pdf


Great interior on the Audi but I prefer the exterior, motor and less mass on a 3G TL (hey I'm biased ).

In that comparison test, I wonder how many BMW dealerships actually have a 328i with a $36K sticker also?

 

Yup, the trap speed shows you how much horsepower the 2.0T engine is making. At 92-94mph, that's roughly the same as the TSX (Car and Driver got 93mph).

For most people though, they probably don't care too much since people rarely push it to high rpms. But for Honda enthusiasts, that's where the fun is.

 

[quote=JS + TL;11421925
A4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TL (fking ugly... and it's quite expensive!)

My gf is planning to pick up 2010 A4 Avant S-Line in 2 weeks! Can't wait to see it and drive it.[/quote]


WAIT!.....the TL is quite expensive yet your GF is buying a 2010 A4 S-Line? Ahhhh that's more than a TL.
I've drive the 2.0 4 banger and it's got a lot of zip but it's noisy and there is turbo lag and it's just not smooth like a V6 or V8. To me it's just to diffcult to justify the purchase of a $45k car that has a 4 banger. They got rid of the 6 because it was a $3k + option.

 

No, they got rid of the 6 because more people were buying the 2.0T trim and the motor didn't provide enough of a boost in power to justify the $5K difference in price for the vehicles it was placed in. Also, Audi is shifting their image to provide cars with power that also get good mileage. They have a very solid motor with the 2.0T, and it's not putting out more power than their 3.2 and the tuning capabilities for it are absurd! With a simple tune, that motor can output 323 lb-ft of torque. Imagine what will happen when they begin to employ their weight saving strategies in the next 5 years. This is why we can't see a huge mileage increase with the smaller motor, but once those weight savings strategies come into play, it's going to paint a new picture for Audi.

 

I wanted the sport package at first but did not want to deal with the tires in winter. I also liked the seats but its not that important for me. The only mod I will be doing is getting the shift knob from the package. that will suffice with me. I am not into the fancy rims and lowered suspension thing. Never was. i also prefer the 4 spoke steering wheel. It fits my driving habits better.

With that said, I would have preferred to get the sports package but I will not be missing it later down the road.

 

The same day you buy the A4, you go online to tirerack.com and get some steel wheels with good winter rubber. Simple, cheap, and not hard to deal with. And I'm sure the dealer wouldn't mind doing the changeover for you. Don't let "dealing with tires" be a reason to get a better car/option.

 

Do not fall for the over-priced understeering german dogs. It is a great looker but i am dissapointed at the cost vs performance advantage. Underpowered motor and over priced options list. TL WINS HANDS DOWN. Also all sorts of problems with awd system in my past audi do yourself a favor and stay away!

 

What problems did you have with the AWD system? I haven't heard of any brand-wide, or model-wide problems with Quattro.

You can't expect someone to simply take your word for it without offering support for your "don't buy audi" argument.

 

Well, as far as comparing the A4 2.0T quattro to the TL 5AT, they are about as quick as each other, so I wouldn't say the TL wins hands down.....it really depends on what you want. Some prefer buying a bigger car that's loaded with everything (the TL), some prefer buying a slightly smaller carthat can be customized to their own liking (the A4). I also believe Audi has been improving in terms of reliability.

 

You own 4G TL huh?

 

The beak bumped him in the head and has clouded his judgement.

 

Because obviously you've driven the B8 A4 and managed to push it enough to cause it to understeer.

And you do understand the appeal in having a bunch of separate options, right? You can leave out what you don't want and get what you do. Every european brand lists out a bunch of options so people can customize their car to their liking.

 

My gf is picking up her 2010 Audi A4 Avant tomorrow!

 

Sweet.... pics when she gets it!!

 

For sure A4

 

oh man, i guess i am one of those few ppl that have had a bad experience with audi. The only and maybe last audi i've owned was a 2006 audi 2.0t fwd. That car gave me hell!!! @34k miles - broken drive belt, @ 42k miles - blown left rear shocks, @ 44k miles lost power steering, @ 48k miles - problem with the AC. @ 56k miles the replaced left rear shock blown(wtf..), @ 66k miles- oil leak, and finally @ 72k miles check engine light went on saying some Air fuel sensor went bad and that's when i said i've had enuff of this so call "German engineering" and traded in for an 06 tl. I guess i got a defective car. And what's up with the expensive Audi parts? a freaking bolt costs 3 bucks???

 

OMG................... the car looks sexy as hell........................

ill take some pictures tomorrow. 2010 A4 Avant is seriously hawt..

 

Without second thought, Audi A4 because it looks much better than new TL (personal opinion)

 

Hope you dont need to replace any bolts on the TL either

Part #90167-SL0-010 BOLT, FLANGE TL $ 3.11 (thats at a discount, normal dealer price is 4.15)

 

 

that's actually not bad for one of those cars.........

 

noob to the bone

 

Man hard to say 1.8 is good but a tl is to go with your feeling and get the one you fall for just dont get a s4 there a pain

 

wat?

are you 18 or 8?

 

I have no idea what you are trying to say

 

Please provide some insight to support this. I'm really curious to hear because of the thousands of cars on the Audi Forums, very few have problems like that. And these are people that DO push their cars harder than others do because of modifications, taking them to the track, etc. So it's safe to assume that these individuals would be the first to experience problems with the motor, etc. Suspension maybe not as much if they swapped parts out, but still. It's not as widespread as you claim them to be.

I guess based on your argument 6spd tranny failures for Honda was a drop in the bucket compared to Audi.

 

^ I don't know why we even bother. It seems some people don't actually read the threads and they just post out of their a$$es...

 

^ - It seems as though they believe the Audi of today is still the same Audi of the late 80's, early 90's

 

^

"Stock to the bone" seems to have first hand experience so I'm fine with his post... but others just reply with such blanket statements with nothing to back it up. It's almost like they type just to reload the screen and get all giddy that their post showed up in an active topic

 

True, but I have no problem admitting that the Audi's of the first half of 2000 had problems. The thing is that bugs me is that Audi has improved reliability, we know that, we've researched it, some of us own the cars after we did that research, and we're able to look at it objectively. Then you have another group of people that don't do any research, base their information on an isolated incident, or someone crying they saw a wolf, and then expect people to take their "word" for it. Yet, companies like Honda and Toyota that have had equally if not worse situations in terms of reliability. with vehicles spanning many years (transmissions anyone) somehow escape their memory. Sure Honda and Toyota are high on the reliability list, but they are still far from perfect. There is a reason why their cars are so much cheaper than Audi, Bimmer and Benz. Audi has been moving up market, their pricing reflects that, and their products are starting to reflect that too. Comparing Audi to Acura is in the first place no matter how much power the TL is compared to the A4, or how much you perceive the tech gadgets in one car to be superior to the other, they are in different segments, One is in luxury market, the other is trying to be in the luxury market. Not to say that the Acura isn't a nice car, but when you put two side by side, the build quality and materials in my Audi are far superior to the quality of materials in the Acura.

Comparing a vehicle based on size is one thing, performance another, but you can't then turn those and base it on price. That's like saying a 40K corvette is an equal competitor in luxury to that of a Porsche.

 

Well, I decided to just order the A4.

Premium plus w/nav
6MT
18" sport package
B & O sound system upgrade
dark walnut trim
Ice Silver with black interior

$300 under invoice

Now I have to wait for 3 months. Sux but it will be worth the wait

 

so mean. I thought he opened a bottle of soda w/ it.