2005 Acura TL VS 2005 Lexus ES330
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2005 Acura TL VS 2005 Lexus ES330
I know I'll probably get a lot of biased answers on this one. A friend of mine is looking for a quiet, comfortable, reliable daily driver for around $450 - $500 a month (lease). He is trying to decide between the TL 5AT w/Navi or the ES with Navi. They're both FWD, horsepower isn't really important, the ES uses regular fuel and gets slightly better gas milage (these factors are important since gas prices are rising and staying there), while the TL uses premium. We can probably get a better deal on the ES, and it might be more comfortable and better for four/five people.
What do you guys think?
Most important factors are comfort, quietness, and room.
What do you guys think?
Most important factors are comfort, quietness, and room.
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
If he doesn't care about performance, get the ES. It is a dull car to drive, but is very quiet and comfy.
My buddies dad has one, its a soild built car. IMO
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ES is a nice car, but so mind numbingly bland. I think its target market is retired school teachers. If this guy really doesn't care about performance or appearance, yeah maybe the ES is a better car for him because of the gas mileage and such...but damn thats such an old person car. TL is hotness.
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Agreed.... they're two very very different cars. I guess the way to start is... does your friend care about image? I ask that cuz I see that you're younger, and typically, ES drivers are a lot older than TL drivers. I just don't want your friend to buy the ES and then regret driving an "older person's car." I guess the way to put it is you will never get "damn I wish I had that car" with the ES.
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Originally Posted by nahooneyya
my aunt just got the 05 ES~
quiet as hell~ very luxurious
good navi~
excellent leather seats~
and the v6 has good toruqe too!
quiet as hell~ very luxurious
good navi~
excellent leather seats~
and the v6 has good toruqe too!
Tell your friend to get an Avalon and pocket some change. Why not the ES? It's getting redesigned; wholly redone very soon. If he's unwilling to wait for the next ES, then get an Avalon. If he must have a lux. brand, get a TL.
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Originally Posted by nahooneyya
my aunt just got the 05 ES~
quiet as hell~ very luxurious
good navi~
excellent leather seats~
and the v6 has good toruqe too!
quiet as hell~ very luxurious
good navi~
excellent leather seats~
and the v6 has good toruqe too!
They even have the airconditioned seats. <3
Does the TL have that?
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My in laws are in thier Seventies...they just got a ES330. BORING!
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
If he doesn't care about performance, get the ES. It is a dull car to drive, but is very quiet and comfy.
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If he wants comfort and quiet, the ES is the way to go.
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Originally Posted by goldmemberer
great2u~ but I really don't think anyone who gives half a shit about how much torque their V6 is putting out will go ES over TL.
Tell your friend to get an Avalon and pocket some change. Why not the ES? It's getting redesigned; wholly redone very soon. If he's unwilling to wait for the next ES, then get an Avalon. If he must have a lux. brand, get a TL.
Tell your friend to get an Avalon and pocket some change. Why not the ES? It's getting redesigned; wholly redone very soon. If he's unwilling to wait for the next ES, then get an Avalon. If he must have a lux. brand, get a TL.
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Originally Posted by Infamous425
get an avalon over an ES
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Originally Posted by youngTL
What does the Avalon have over the ES besides a little more room? And besides, an adjustable suspension is an option on the ES but not on the Avalon if I remember correctly.
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Originally Posted by t0ast
I thought the Avalon and ES were totally different cars. Isn't the ES based on the Camry and the Avalon a completely different platform from the ES/Camry?
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Originally Posted by youngTL
What does the Avalon have over the ES besides a little more room? And besides, an adjustable suspension is an option on the ES but not on the Avalon if I remember correctly.
Quiet and smoothe=ES or Avalon
A little fun=TL
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Originally Posted by jdone
The Avalon has the new 280 hp engine. It's much quicker than the ES. I have a new RX330 with the same engine as the ES-smoothe and quiet engine, but performance is meh. And yes, I am allowing for the bigger car/awd factor.
Quiet and smoothe=ES or Avalon
A little fun=TL
Quiet and smoothe=ES or Avalon
A little fun=TL
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ES. Quiet, Comfy, boring as watching grass grow. TL is more of a driver oriented car, especially with the 6MT. I love the TL, hate the ES.
Avalon is a contender for the $$. All depends on what he wants though.
Avalon is a contender for the $$. All depends on what he wants though.
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
If he doesn't care about performance, get the ES. It is a dull car to drive, but is very quiet and comfy.
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Originally Posted by Minch00
How about dealer service? I hear Lexus > * in that department.
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Originally Posted by t0ast
It really depends on the dealer.
I have yet to hear of a bad lexus service experience. When I or my parents have dealt with them its never been anything other then top notch.
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Originally Posted by Minch00
Does anyone know if the ES is made in Japan, or manufactured in America?
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Personally I think if he doesn't care about performance then the ES is a fantastic car. Comfy, decent looking, luxurious, and the dealer service is great. The TL would be the choice for performance with plenty of great amenities. I know in the past Acura's Navi was considered the best but I don't know how close the gap is now.
Me personally, and I'm in my late twenties, I would take the TL in a heartbeat...but still think the ES is a great car.
Me personally, and I'm in my late twenties, I would take the TL in a heartbeat...but still think the ES is a great car.
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Using KBB I came up with 34.1k invoice with a 39k MSRP
With this information, do you think we can get a lease price for 48 months / 12,000 a year under $500? I've seen bare bones ES330s lease for around $329........
With this information, do you think we can get a lease price for 48 months / 12,000 a year under $500? I've seen bare bones ES330s lease for around $329........
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Originally Posted by Water-S
how about a new 330?
BMW? Maybe because optioned similar it would be around 45k And the fact that it's smaller, less powerful, etc etc.
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my mom had a previous gen es300, that was a great car, now has the new 330
its a piece of shit, flat put boring, worst ergononmics i have seen in a lexus EVER, fuckin temp button and cd track button should be switched around, its a damn strain on my shoulder when switching through tracks in that car
its a piece of shit, flat put boring, worst ergononmics i have seen in a lexus EVER, fuckin temp button and cd track button should be switched around, its a damn strain on my shoulder when switching through tracks in that car
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Originally Posted by darrinb
my mom had a previous gen es300, that was a great car, now has the new 330
its a piece of shit, flat put boring, worst ergononmics i have seen in a lexus EVER, fuckin temp button and cd track button should be switched around, its a damn strain on my shoulder when switching through tracks in that car
its a piece of shit, flat put boring, worst ergononmics i have seen in a lexus EVER, fuckin temp button and cd track button should be switched around, its a damn strain on my shoulder when switching through tracks in that car
So it's a piece of shit because you don't like where the CD button is? Awww poor baby.
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not just that,
1. its slow
2. the suspension is mushy
3. cant push it hard into a corner
4. design cant compare to a TL
5. its just a flat out boring car
i dont know what else to tell but to get your ass to the lexus dealer test drive one and find out for your self
1. its slow
2. the suspension is mushy
3. cant push it hard into a corner
4. design cant compare to a TL
5. its just a flat out boring car
i dont know what else to tell but to get your ass to the lexus dealer test drive one and find out for your self
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Originally Posted by darrinb
not just that,
1. its slow
2. the suspension is mushy
3. cant push it hard into a corner
4. design cant compare to a TL
5. its just a flat out boring car
i dont know what else to tell but to get your ass to the lexus dealer test drive one and find out for your self
1. its slow
2. the suspension is mushy
3. cant push it hard into a corner
4. design cant compare to a TL
5. its just a flat out boring car
i dont know what else to tell but to get your ass to the lexus dealer test drive one and find out for your self
Dude, some people don't need STi acceleration, they like a soft ride, don't go into hairpins at 90mph, etc. Don't call it a piece of shit because it does what it is designed to do well.
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u made the thread, so i'm giving you my opionion
dont open up a thread titled____vs._____if you dont expect to hear this shit
the es330 just isnt my type of car, i dont see why anybody under the age of 40 would even consider it
dont open up a thread titled____vs._____if you dont expect to hear this shit
the es330 just isnt my type of car, i dont see why anybody under the age of 40 would even consider it