Why did this car not sell very well....Excellent power, awesome looks...i dont get it??

 

Tons of features, gobs of power, but no style, whatsoever. This thing is a major sleeper, but that doesn't pull in the consumer--it pulls in the enthusiast.

Further, Inifiniti never played in this segment before--this was their first entry. It was a last minute attempt to just simply be in the market (in other words, they did not try very hard). Nissan just was searching their JDM market for a vehicle that could hopefully walk the walk, and saw some potential in the Cedric. But just like GM searched for an SUV to throw into Saab's lineup, Nissan gave only a mediocre product. Mediocre doesn't sell in the midsize luxury segment, where people can buy fine automobiles like the BMW 5er, MBZ E-class, Audi A6, or Lexus GS.

The Infiniti was blah, and tried to be everything for everyone.

 

i think they are sweet. The are nice and reliable, too. Deal of the century to pick up a used one.

 

Althogh I'm straying off topic, I think a 2004 VW Phaeton is the deal of a century. A two year old $80k+ prestige luxury sedan for half its original value...that's a sweet deal. How many luxury vehicles take a 50% hit in only two years?

 

I guess only the VW since it has all the electronic problems along with the passat styling counting against it. Sounds more like headache of the century.

 

I thought the M45 was just out for only a couple of year in order to get them ready for the new 2G M cars. I dig the styling. It has that understated muscle car/sedan look.

 

I think the M45 looks incredible, but then I'm a fan of understated style.

My favorite Infiniti has always been the J30, no one loves that one either.

 

I30 > J30 ^^

The 2003 just looked ODD btw.

 

How can you like the I30 more than the J30?! The J had a more powerful 6 and didn't look like every Max at the supermarket. IMHO, you're mistaken.

P.S. On the subject of the old M45, I could be convinced if it would depreciate enough. Its powerful Q45 sourced V8 is very intriguing. However, the last time that I was looking at them (maybe this past summer?), they still commanded an insane $30K or so. No thanks for a car that Infiniti substituted "boring" for "styling."

 

I think that the 2003 M45 looks awful. But the new one is one of my favorites.

 

LOL,......I was expecting this type of response from someone. Our family has a 99 I30t so thats why it gets a the > rating over the J30. I dont like the styling of the J very much,......so for me I30 is > than the J30. Yes the J had more hp (20), but the I had more torque (193 vs 205,....from sites like automotive.com etc). Any difference in power would be insignificant I am sure (although I have never driven a J30,....so I cant really say). They had the same engine basically,..........3.0L V6. That said,...........poor sales of the J30 lead to it being dropped in 1997, but the I30 stuck around,......came out in 1996. I dont think the I30 looks that much like a maxima on the exterior (even though they are the same freaking car basically),.......and even if ppl think it does,.....whats wrong with that?

 

The last gen M45 will most likely be my next car in a couple of years........

 

word, if i found a black on black for the right price.....adios CL

 

Q45 never sold well either.

 

I love the old M45, and if it's one w/ JP than it's game over. Pic of said JP kit

 

i never liked the j30's...i thought they looked like the old altimas.

personally, i was never fond of any of the infinitis until the g35 coupe came out. the new m's are beautiful (despite the rear tail lights, which i can overlook). i'm anxious to see the new q45...any news on that?

 

03 m45 is one of the best looking sedans on the road.

 

So, I've been looking into getting one of these the last couple of months, but the exhaust underwhelms me for such a beast of a V8. Does anyone know if I could convert the exhaust system to a dual exhaust system with some free-er flowing mufflers? I think quad tips would look excellent on the back of this car.
Not even Stillen has anything for this car...

I know this isn't the place to be asking, but, well, you guys seem to know the answer for everything

 

Saw an 03-04 White Q45 last night...

Interior quality could have been better (compared to an 96 LS400). But it's pretty pimp.

Check it out w/ the Impul F55 kit.

 

My Uncle had an 03 M45. I loved it and should have bought it from him.

 

 

I have to disagree.. the Auto Couture M and its game over!!! Imagine seeing this car creep up on you.

 

WHOA,......that looks mean.

 

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yeah you're right, that car wins =(

 

J30 was based on the old 300ZX platform
I30 was based on a Maxima witha rear axle.

J30 > I30

 

J30 = RWD
I30 = FWD

J30 ftw.

 

Who cares,........J30 is weird looking. Read my post 14 ones above yours and you will see why I said I30 > J30. I would prefer a late 90's maxima/I30 over a J30 any day of the week. Better yet,....an I30 2000+. If you dont agree thats fine with me,.....and yes I know the J30 is RWD.

 

Ops,......forgot to add something. I am just saying I like the I30 more, and its not like there is some big performance difference between the two cars. Maybe in the twisties the J30 would be better with the RWD??? For straight away speed, the fastest I have ever seen the J30 get quoted at was 8.3 seconds and thats for a 97,...older ones in the 9's. http://www.nissannews.com/site_libra...30/specs.shtml
The I30 I have seen in the high 7's (ex 7.7,7.8 etc) and up at 8.0 flat.
ex
http://web.missouri.edu/~apcb20/times.html
http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html
So for arguements sake,....probably about the same straight away speed at best. Are you guys saying because the J30 is RWD its better? That is the only reason I can see,........unless you like the styling. Where I live its better to have a FWD car anyway.

 

M45 and Phaeton are both great rides.

More impartantly, both have ventilated seats! Phaeton in the rear, too!

 

West6MT - Who knew there was a closet J30 contingent on this board?! At least your I30 was the Touring model, err Maxima SE model. Other than the motor (I knew it put out more hp, but had no idea is was light in tq - nice stat to quell the J camp), I've always liked the J because of it's "odd" styling. Like the BMW M Coupe, I suppose.

 

Haha, ya who knew. Ya I have heard that without the touring pkg the suspension on the I30 was not the greatest. They are both nice cars (I think so anyway), but I cant get over the J's styling,..........but of course that is personal preference. Sometimes I think,......ya its ok, but other times I am like,...no. I am biased cause we have an I30 too lol. I just wish it was black like my Acura is.

Ya, see I dont like the M coupe styling. I think its like a love it or hate it type of thing. There are moments (although BRIEF) when I think,.........ya maybe its alright,....but then see the profile and remember it looks like a boot/shoe or something lol.

 

MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This is one of my favorite cars of all time. I don't understand why it didn't sell more, either.

It is HOT.