pttl

That's great news. Now that you have the ear of someone important, you should milk it for all you can.
If it looks promising for a 2011 V you should be patient...I seriously don't know of a car that offers more for the money. 556HP/551 Tq =

Costco

Sorry to hear, hopefully things get sorted out and you get out with an amazing deal to make up for all the BS that you went through. neuronbob's V has been a little lonely here on AZ

Waltah

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m5 or cts-v

i come from a gm family so im partial to the cts-v

Aman

Why not keep the TL-S and buy a weekend warrior? CTS-V coupe?

KeithL

Loaded M56S with Sport Touring and Technology will be under $70K and be a beast and have more technology than any of the other cars.

TS_eXpeed

= more things to break


Just sayin.....

KeithL

Maybe, but less likely than the German cars where the little they have will likely break and cost more to repair once warranty is over.

charliemike

Friend of mine just test drove a CTS-V yesterday and crossed it off the list.

Felt the M3 was built better. *shrug*

lil_oldschool

acura nsx!

TS_eXpeed

I'm not sure.
Lately I've been starting to doubt the old theory of 'Buy Japanese'. European makers I think have significantly narrowed the gap in reliability/dependability. I've been very happy with my TSX, but even with an 06 at 83K, there have been things that have failed that really kind of surprised me. At 30 or 40K, I had to have the whole rack and pinion replaced. Thankfully it was still under warranty. That, coupled with some other things that I just honestly wouldn't have expected from a "Japanese" car make me question whether they're as solid as they used to be.

I'm not the only member who has also had some problems with theirs, either.

fsttyms1

and much slower than the M and the V

KeithL

Faster on the track and in theroy, but in everyday drviing, even if you drive beating on it will it be really that much slower? And the CTS-V is not very reliable either, the M5 is a sweet ride! At least with all that speed you can get back to dealer for service quicker ;-)

Sarlacc

Where are you getting that the CTS-V is not very reliable? Are you pulling that one out of your butt because its a Cadillac?

JS + XES

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I'm sorry, but "infinity" M has no chance against CTS-V, M3, & M5.

They are not in the same league in my book.

Sly Raskal

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GIBSON6594

JD Powers gave BMW the same overall reliability score as Infiniti

pttl

The CTS-V is in a different league when it comes to performance in comparison to the M. It's one of the fastest production cars in the world with 4 doors.... on the track, in theory, AND in everyday driving.
It is what it is....a beast.

I've read nothing but good reports regarding reliability too.

KeithL

JD Powers is crap, they look at inital ownership period of less than 120 days, let's look at 2 years+ and see. I do admit that BMW does seem to have improved.

charliemike

They do both 90 days and 3 years.

JD Power survey of new car owners after 3 years of ownership

Aman

Hence the "initial" part in the name of the award.

Johnsteph10

Wow.

Yumcha

I have a soft spot for the new Mercedes-Benz E-Class. Maybe an AMG...?

JS + XES

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the brand new E-class AMG is badass.

Yumcha

Not the same performance-wise, but I also have a soft spot for the Volvo S80.

Saintor

Good deals are going on slightly used Audi S6 V10.

But frankly, go for a lightly optioned 550i if speed *AND* luxury is what you want (the M3 is a bit shrot on luxury). Fuel economy on the CTS-V is *terrible* 12/18 while the 550i has a reasonable-for-400HP 17/25.

Like all recent Infinitis, the new M is a perfect car for Goldorak wannabes. Reminds me science fiction of the '80s. They are certainly not as hot as latest Euro crowd.

KeithL

I think any car can have issues, and I have had minor issues with almost every car I have owned. I will say in 19K miles on my 09 AWD TL it was flawless, but that is likley the exception. I do think the gap has narrowed on all cars such that the "unreliable" German makes of yesterday and the American makes are bunching up to the Asians. Then again I have not owned a car out of warranty in over 13 years.

Rick_TL-S

Against even the XJ?

Yeah, sorry, no. I recently got the pleasure of getting a walkthrough of the new XJ at the dealer, & I highly doubt Infiniti has crammed anywhere near the amount of tech. goodies in that car.

Costco

I think some magazine out there did a comparo of a bunch of performance cars around a road course and some of the editors actually like the CTS-V more than the ZR1

in the same vein that the M56S with Tech Package "has more technology than all the others" the CTS-V is more of a beast than all the others. The biggest issue with the previous gen CTS-V was the dreaded axle tramp. Surely if there was an issue, it would have reared it's head already with 500rwhp on tap in stock form.

gr8ness97

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Whatever car, please dont let it be new.

I love the slightly used E63 option...

Will Y.

The XF is a $55k-70K car, the XJ goes from $72K to north of $110K.

The higher-HP engine versions of the XF are a better match (albeit on the "lux" rather than "sports" side) to the 5-series, A6, CTS-V, etc. than the XJ would be.
Nice, but supposedly finicky, tech on the XF too.

Rick_TL-S

I understand that. I had only previously asked if he had considered looking at since the only thing it lacked from his list was performance (still pretty responsive when we drove it).

KeithL

I love the Jag, but the Infiniti technology works, research Jag reliability and the biggest complaints you will see are with their tech, buggy and twitchy at best. Again I don't doubt on paper there are better cars, there always is. My suggestion was based on overall value where you can get a very reliable good performing sport luxury sedan crammed with tech for a decent budget.

phee

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but how would you deal with the horrendous looks of the M56? thats enough to make me not want to get into it.

CTS-v is a great contendor. if you are knocking it, you mustnt have driven it.

charliemike

Right because paying $65k for 552hp makes a lot of sense when you can get a 420hp car that is better in every other way for about the same money?

black label

It's your dealer that screwed you not the other one. Your dealer sold you and contracted you on a car that they did not own, simple as that. This is the same as if I try to sell you my neighbors car. Legally your dealer had no right to sell the car. The other dealer did nothing illegal, however it is highly likely that your dealer did in the process of contracting you to purchase an item that they were not actually authorized to sell.

They took you out of the market and had you take mental ownership by contracting you, the only problem is they had no right or authority to contract you on that car or VIN as they did not own it. I'm guessing you signed a bunch of papers but I can gaurantee that you didn't sign the certificate of origin, if you had, you would own the car. The person who is in possession of the CO or title is the owner of the vehicle and is the one who is authorized to sell it, that was not your dealership.

Aman

If true, doesn't the contract become kaput? In which case get your money back and shop elsewhere.

JS + XES

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Rick TLS, your avatar looks

Johnsteph10

Actually, they had sent faxed/signed paperwork exchanging the cts-v for 2 other cars...thus making it an agreement.

..and my dealer paid a driver with a covered trailer carrying the 2 cars down the other dealer after Dealer B sold the car without notifying my dealer.

Signed papers.
Car exchange.
Driver with trailer.

Yeah, my dealer so screwed me.

ghttf

since you are forgoing performance a 2010 E550 would have better build quality and equivalent tech

KeithL

Interesting thought, but I am not much of a MB person so I can;t fully agree or disagree. It is funny what some are considering "performance". Sure the M5, CTS-V are performance, but I really put those more in a higher performance class, I think average person thinks of performance as BMW 535, M56, class performance, but clearly I forgot where I was