Canon: Rumor Thread
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Canon: Rumor Thread
Some 5D rumors for ya:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=27125455
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=27136388
Announcement on April 22? We'll see.
Nice specs tho. I could have seen myself getting this instead of the 40D.
(Doubt I'll upgrade the 40D tho)
- Frank
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=27125455
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=27136388
Announcement on April 22? We'll see.
Nice specs tho. I could have seen myself getting this instead of the 40D.
(Doubt I'll upgrade the 40D tho)
- Frank
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To be honest, I don't see a whole lot here that would attract the average current 5D owner to to shell out $3K+. That said, anyone that was "on the fence" in any way about purchasing a FF camera has got to be drooling over this. I know I would be. I can also see this new 5DmkII being a superb backup body for professionals.
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http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/c...5d2_3d_7d.html
14th Is the on again/off again split back on for the 5D successor?
At CR there is a report of a '3D' and '6D', although if previous numbering conventions are anything to go by I'd suspect the model number guestimates are the wrong way around.
At CR there is a report of a '3D' and '6D', although if previous numbering conventions are anything to go by I'd suspect the model number guestimates are the wrong way around.
- "Canon EOS 3D (unknown model name)
- Resolution: 14mp Full Frame
- FPS: 5fps
- LCD:3"
- AF: 9 point
- ISO: 100-3200
- Memory Card: CF & SD
- Proc: DIGIC III
- Sealing: Some (40D)
- Feature: Live View w/AF
- Price: $1999 USD
- Canon EOS 6D(unknown model name)
- Resolution: 20mp Full Frame(Sounds unbelievable, but true)
- FPS: 5fps
- LCD: 3" VGA
- AF: 19 point
- ISO: 50-6400
- Memory Card: CF & SD
- Proc: DIGIC III
- Sealing: Yes, Full.
- Feature: Live View w/AF
- Price: $2999 USD"
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I'm starting to get worried that we're transitioning from the megapixel wars to the ISO wars. I guess it's inevitable though considering what Nikon achieved with the D3. That said, I can't really think of any groups that have a legitimate need for anything over ISO 1600 other than sports shooters.
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Originally Posted by Billiam
I'm starting to get worried that we're transitioning from the megapixel wars to the ISO wars. I guess it's inevitable though considering what Nikon achieved with the D3. That said, I can't really think of any groups that have a legitimate need for anything over ISO 1600 other than sports shooters.
I do. I do not shoot with a flash...and I am generally in low light situations. Especially when I'm set. So, I love the option of super low noise high ISO.
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I hadn't even thought of set shooters. Overall though, I have to think that the amount of people that truly need anything beyond ISO 1600 is a small segment of the market that could be accommodated by the top one or two pro bodies in the Canon and Nikon lineups.
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Originally Posted by Billiam
I hadn't even thought of set shooters. Overall though, I have to think that the amount of people that truly need anything beyond ISO 1600 is a small segment of the market that could be accommodated by the top one or two pro bodies in the Canon and Nikon lineups.
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
:hi:
I do. I do not shoot with a flash...and I am generally in low light situations. Especially when I'm set. So, I love the option of super low noise high ISO.
I do. I do not shoot with a flash...and I am generally in low light situations. Especially when I'm set. So, I love the option of super low noise high ISO.
for club stuff, high ISO low noise FTW
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Originally Posted by moeronn
There are a ton of applications for high-ISO shooting and I would love having usable ISO 6400+. Anything indoors (museums or candlelight), available light night shots where you don't want to/can't use a flash, performance shots (rock concerts, childrens recitals, etc.). I don't think this would be limited to a select few who need it - everyone could use it.
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And back to the rumors (even though that is all they are) - so are they abandoning the 1.3 crop? FPS seems rather low considering the 40D has 6.5. Also, I would have expected them to push the ISO even higher to compete with the D3, at least on the top teir. 
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
These are full frame bodies, fps are always lower. If this is true Canon saved me save 5K. The 1.3 crop 1Dxx line will always be the flagship for Canon.
These cameras will be producing massive files and I think the market segment Canon is targeting with this line is less about FPS than it is pure image quality.
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Originally Posted by Billiam
I'm starting to get worried that we're transitioning from the megapixel wars to the ISO wars.
The problem with MP wars, is that adding more pixels automatically lowers the signal/noise ratio.
The usual result is color noise. This causes color noise, which then lowers usable ISO and adds
heavier noise (and detail) reduction.
But what does it mean to increase ISO? It means to make the baseline
sensitivity of the sensor higher. When I enable ISO 3200 on my 40D, it doesn't
change the quality of ISO 100. It just says something like, 'okay, let's multiply
the incoming signal strength and use that'. It's like a volume control.
So there's no harm in allowing it, and it's trivial to add. The question is, now
usable are those images? The only real risk of adding higher ISOs is that
they use a heavy handed noise removal algorithm AND use it for all ISOs.
Originally Posted by Billiam
I can't really think of any groups that have a legitimate need for anything over ISO 1600 other than sports shooters.
The next time you take a flash picture, turn it off and take a look at your shutter speed.
Now consider what shutter speed you'd want it to be to avoid hand shake.
(let's say 1/(focal * multiplier))
Huge difference. ISO 1600 (which is 16x faster shutter) isn't enough, especially if
you have any sort of zoom.
- Frank
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Don't forget, this is a rumour thread. But apparently Canon is holding a press conference on August 26th 2008..
I didn't paste everything, there's more info at the link.
OLED LCD would be
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/c...5d2_3d_7d.html
I didn't paste everything, there's more info at the link.
OLED LCD would be
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/c...5d2_3d_7d.html
2008 August
Since the page was huge, we've moved items from before 1st June 2008 to an archive page. We've moved very old (before December 2007) stuff to a second archive page
13th
Thanks to all who queried the specs below - yes that is an 'optimistic' throughput for a single DigicIII processor. I'd not expected to see DigicIV until next year, possibly in the FF 1D4.
Oh and the UPC barcode database now contains a 9D (BTW my friend's cat is a more reliable source of new product info than this database.)
12th
Not having been watching the Olympics, I'd not noticed the less than solid 'wall of white lenses' at some events - this is a matter of concern in some quarters... ;-)
And how about 21MP for the 5D followup?... In a thread [FM] suggesting that an 18-200 EF-s lens (f3.5 to 5.6 IS USM) is to be announced for Photokina.
Meanwhile on DPR we get a 5D II spec...
16.7 MP FF sensor
Single Digic III Processor
ISO 100-3200 (Low: 50 + High 6400)
6-8 fps - depending on grip
3" High Resolution OLED LCD
will accept EF Lenses, not EF-S
11 point AF
AF Microadjustment
Liveview (as per 1000D)
35 Zone Metering
Viewfinder: 96 percent coverage .72 magnification
Pop up flash
New Lithium Ion Battery
Weather Sealing slightly better than 40D
(and a 50D too)
Canon have just announced a couple of printers and maybe we'll see a load of small cameras at IFA in Berlin (Aug 28 - Sep 3) I've also seen suggestions that we should expect a D3X (and maybe D300s and probably a D90) on the 27th.
A 24MP D3X might certainly take some of the shine off the 5D replacement, although I've heard that Canon have gone for 'Image Quality' rather than just big ISO numbers
11th You might have been watching the sport at the Olympics...
Others have been busy grabbing shots of the photographers and 'mystery' cameras [DPR] :-)
10th Although I'd be surprised to see any changes in the 1 series so soon, I was just told of price cuts in a Cophenhagen camera store (10-12%) which has apparently of had clearences of stock before previous model changes. However, I've seen no price movement here in the UK for some time, and I'm not expecting any change in the 'big guns' until next year at the earliest (of course there are still regular mutterings about the 3D on plenty of lists ;-)
Meanwhile, in a worrying sign, it seems that the famous tsiphoto (aka 'DPReview Magic Eightball') has taken to posting on a Nikon forum. ;-) :-)
8th It seems that, whatever gets mentioned on the 26th is only a private press preview, with a launch in September...
So suggests this Danish site (Google translation)
"Therefore, Canon invited to a narrow circle of "roundtable" 26. august. As Canon writes in the invitation, so will the rest of the press be invited to the press in september. This suggests anything on that, though news 26. august, but all the indications are that it will be so secret that we can not write about it.
But I believe - and this is purely personal - that Canon will launch an upgraded version of the 5D. Fullframe and 16 megapixels. In addition, I believe that launching another fullframe camera and not an EOS 1D Mark III."
There's that second full frame body again...
7th Get your 5DMkII book...
Yes, it's back again, the 5D2 field guide, but with this time with a November 10th release guide and you can pre-order it
While the 5D price in the UK has fallen a bit, I'm told that at B&H it has jumped upwards. Are we seeing a rise in demand coupled with a shortage of supply in the US?
6th NDA breaking?
From someone posting in POTN about a presentation today.
"Some new P&S from Canon, G10/11/12 something....new FS lens, then "5D replacement" they talk about features, which basically boils down to "more of everything" but not quite what say the 40D has in burst rates. Better ISO, more pixels (more than 12 less than 16), then moves onto another lens and some crap about flashes."
later they added
"The new lenses that were talked about don't really interest me as they were some EF-S lenses that would mimic some of the L lenses I have already. It seemed to me that the focus was on "pro-sumer" middle ground stuff. They started talking about market penetration in sub $1000 bodies and sub $1500 kits and gaining market share in the sub $250 P&S market. I never even owned the G series stuff so I don't really know anything about that. They also seemed to imply that the "5D replacement" was not a pro body, and maybe that was always true but I sort of thought of it as an entry level pro body. They did go over a list of features and how they would compare to Nikon, the D3 and D700. The way they made it seem, the "5D replacement" would be better than a D700 and not quite the D3 but have a much better sensor than the D3. Something to the effect that the "5D replacement" would be more technologically advanced then any other pro-sumer camera on the market. Incorporating technology from the flagship 1D2 Mk III."
Follow this lengthy POTN thread and see what you make of it... (thanks for sending this ;-)
All the other stuff I've found so far are various re-hashes of stuff from the last few days :-)
For more discussion of just what was in those Swedish pages see FM
A quick note to rumour afficianados... when you are looking at new specs and the likes appearing on sites, look for sources. It's been interesting to see some sites quote my specifications text below (which I rewrote directly from the email we received) with no source at all. All good fun :-) :-)
5th The 26th of August is the date the Swedish Mag K&B has been invited to a Canon press event.
Originally via Canon Canada (we're told) we were sent the following specs for 'the new camera'
12MP
5fps, Up to 21 RAW files
Dust removing system
15-point TTL CMOS sensor
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
96% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.71x
3.0" 640x480 TFT LCD (920,000 pixels)
ISO 50-3200 extended to 12800 and 25600
DIGIC III, 14-bit
Canon EF lens mount (not EF-S)
Live View Mode
The body is very similar to the 5D, similar handgrip
Surprisingly cheap, US$ 1,899
This is the lowest MP suggestion I've seen for a while, and leaves room for a $3k 16-18MP FF as well (dare we say 3D anyone :-)
Since the page was huge, we've moved items from before 1st June 2008 to an archive page. We've moved very old (before December 2007) stuff to a second archive page
13th
Thanks to all who queried the specs below - yes that is an 'optimistic' throughput for a single DigicIII processor. I'd not expected to see DigicIV until next year, possibly in the FF 1D4.
Oh and the UPC barcode database now contains a 9D (BTW my friend's cat is a more reliable source of new product info than this database.)
12th
Not having been watching the Olympics, I'd not noticed the less than solid 'wall of white lenses' at some events - this is a matter of concern in some quarters... ;-)
And how about 21MP for the 5D followup?... In a thread [FM] suggesting that an 18-200 EF-s lens (f3.5 to 5.6 IS USM) is to be announced for Photokina.
Meanwhile on DPR we get a 5D II spec...
16.7 MP FF sensor
Single Digic III Processor
ISO 100-3200 (Low: 50 + High 6400)
6-8 fps - depending on grip
3" High Resolution OLED LCD
will accept EF Lenses, not EF-S
11 point AF
AF Microadjustment
Liveview (as per 1000D)
35 Zone Metering
Viewfinder: 96 percent coverage .72 magnification
Pop up flash
New Lithium Ion Battery
Weather Sealing slightly better than 40D
(and a 50D too)
Canon have just announced a couple of printers and maybe we'll see a load of small cameras at IFA in Berlin (Aug 28 - Sep 3) I've also seen suggestions that we should expect a D3X (and maybe D300s and probably a D90) on the 27th.
A 24MP D3X might certainly take some of the shine off the 5D replacement, although I've heard that Canon have gone for 'Image Quality' rather than just big ISO numbers
11th You might have been watching the sport at the Olympics...
Others have been busy grabbing shots of the photographers and 'mystery' cameras [DPR] :-)
10th Although I'd be surprised to see any changes in the 1 series so soon, I was just told of price cuts in a Cophenhagen camera store (10-12%) which has apparently of had clearences of stock before previous model changes. However, I've seen no price movement here in the UK for some time, and I'm not expecting any change in the 'big guns' until next year at the earliest (of course there are still regular mutterings about the 3D on plenty of lists ;-)
Meanwhile, in a worrying sign, it seems that the famous tsiphoto (aka 'DPReview Magic Eightball') has taken to posting on a Nikon forum. ;-) :-)
8th It seems that, whatever gets mentioned on the 26th is only a private press preview, with a launch in September...
So suggests this Danish site (Google translation)
"Therefore, Canon invited to a narrow circle of "roundtable" 26. august. As Canon writes in the invitation, so will the rest of the press be invited to the press in september. This suggests anything on that, though news 26. august, but all the indications are that it will be so secret that we can not write about it.
But I believe - and this is purely personal - that Canon will launch an upgraded version of the 5D. Fullframe and 16 megapixels. In addition, I believe that launching another fullframe camera and not an EOS 1D Mark III."
There's that second full frame body again...
7th Get your 5DMkII book...
Yes, it's back again, the 5D2 field guide, but with this time with a November 10th release guide and you can pre-order it
While the 5D price in the UK has fallen a bit, I'm told that at B&H it has jumped upwards. Are we seeing a rise in demand coupled with a shortage of supply in the US?
6th NDA breaking?
From someone posting in POTN about a presentation today.
"Some new P&S from Canon, G10/11/12 something....new FS lens, then "5D replacement" they talk about features, which basically boils down to "more of everything" but not quite what say the 40D has in burst rates. Better ISO, more pixels (more than 12 less than 16), then moves onto another lens and some crap about flashes."
later they added
"The new lenses that were talked about don't really interest me as they were some EF-S lenses that would mimic some of the L lenses I have already. It seemed to me that the focus was on "pro-sumer" middle ground stuff. They started talking about market penetration in sub $1000 bodies and sub $1500 kits and gaining market share in the sub $250 P&S market. I never even owned the G series stuff so I don't really know anything about that. They also seemed to imply that the "5D replacement" was not a pro body, and maybe that was always true but I sort of thought of it as an entry level pro body. They did go over a list of features and how they would compare to Nikon, the D3 and D700. The way they made it seem, the "5D replacement" would be better than a D700 and not quite the D3 but have a much better sensor than the D3. Something to the effect that the "5D replacement" would be more technologically advanced then any other pro-sumer camera on the market. Incorporating technology from the flagship 1D2 Mk III."
Follow this lengthy POTN thread and see what you make of it... (thanks for sending this ;-)
All the other stuff I've found so far are various re-hashes of stuff from the last few days :-)
For more discussion of just what was in those Swedish pages see FM
A quick note to rumour afficianados... when you are looking at new specs and the likes appearing on sites, look for sources. It's been interesting to see some sites quote my specifications text below (which I rewrote directly from the email we received) with no source at all. All good fun :-) :-)
5th The 26th of August is the date the Swedish Mag K&B has been invited to a Canon press event.
Originally via Canon Canada (we're told) we were sent the following specs for 'the new camera'
12MP
5fps, Up to 21 RAW files
Dust removing system
15-point TTL CMOS sensor
Center point additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster
96% frame coverage
Magnification: 0.71x
3.0" 640x480 TFT LCD (920,000 pixels)
ISO 50-3200 extended to 12800 and 25600
DIGIC III, 14-bit
Canon EF lens mount (not EF-S)
Live View Mode
The body is very similar to the 5D, similar handgrip
Surprisingly cheap, US$ 1,899
This is the lowest MP suggestion I've seen for a while, and leaves room for a $3k 16-18MP FF as well (dare we say 3D anyone :-)
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like look at this picture
http://www.canonrumors.com/images/canikon.jpg
its like 50/50 canon vs nikon, where as before it used to be majority Canon.
im very tempted to make the switch myself.
http://www.canonrumors.com/images/canikon.jpg
its like 50/50 canon vs nikon, where as before it used to be majority Canon.
im very tempted to make the switch myself.
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16.7 MP FF sensor
Single Digic III Processor
ISO 100-3200 (Low: 50 + High 6400)
6-8 fps - depending on grip
3" High Resolution OLED LCD
will accept EF Lenses, not EF-S
11 point AF
AF Microadjustment
Liveview (as per 1000D)
35 Zone Metering
Viewfinder: 96 percent coverage .72 magnification
Pop up flash
New Lithium Ion Battery
Weather Sealing slightly better than 40D
(and a 50D too)
Single Digic III Processor
ISO 100-3200 (Low: 50 + High 6400)
6-8 fps - depending on grip
3" High Resolution OLED LCD
will accept EF Lenses, not EF-S
11 point AF
AF Microadjustment
Liveview (as per 1000D)
35 Zone Metering
Viewfinder: 96 percent coverage .72 magnification
Pop up flash
New Lithium Ion Battery
Weather Sealing slightly better than 40D
(and a 50D too)
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
honestly thou, if those rumors are canon's answer to nikon, im really not all that impressed.
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
like look at this picture
http://www.canonrumors.com/images/canikon.jpg
its like 50/50 canon vs nikon, where as before it used to be majority Canon.
im very tempted to make the switch myself.
http://www.canonrumors.com/images/canikon.jpg
its like 50/50 canon vs nikon, where as before it used to be majority Canon.
im very tempted to make the switch myself.
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Originally Posted by srika
the 11 point AF is particularly weak.. I would get a D700 over the 5D2, don't really have to think about it much..
I'd definitely be going Nikon if I was starting from scratch right now.
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I'm not extremely familiar with Canon, but from what I do know, it doesn't seem like a great package deal considering the price and relative to what Canon already has on their lineup.
I know. It's rumor. Just sayin.
I know. It's rumor. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by Billiam
+1
I'd definitely be going Nikon if I was starting from scratch right now.
I'd definitely be going Nikon if I was starting from scratch right now.
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Originally Posted by cmschmie
Why?
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Originally Posted by srika
well I'm hoping Canon would be thinking about this too (the D700), and maybe that 11-point AF is not true...