Ward's Automotive: 10 Best Engines **2015 Results (page 8)**
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
The 91 maxima se had 190hp and the 2002 accord had 200hp, whats the point?
I think all SpeedyV6 was trying to point out was that the Ford 3.5 V6 is nothing special in that other companies have had motors producing around the same hp on regular gas for a while now, with equal if not better refinement.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
and a 91 legend C32 V6 made 200hp (actually slightly underrated) and 210lb.ft of torque. What's your point?
I think all SpeedyV6 was trying to point out was that the Ford 3.5 V6 is nothing special in that other companies have had motors producing around the same hp on regular gas for a while now, with equal if not better refinement.
I think all SpeedyV6 was trying to point out was that the Ford 3.5 V6 is nothing special in that other companies have had motors producing around the same hp on regular gas for a while now, with equal if not better refinement.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
still don't get why the rustang 4.6 is on there. Nothing spectacular about that powerplant. Standard C6 LS2 or the Z06 LS7 would better represent american muscle. 
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Originally Posted by Maximized
The LS7 is a hand-built limited production engine. The LS2 is a great engine, but it's still a pushrod V8 with roots dating back to the late 50s. Ford's 4.6L is an engine used in a bunch of different vehicles and actually employs a lot of modern technology.
Ah who gives - like Shoot2Thrill said, this list USED to have merit.
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Your point is that you're trying to be mr know it all, which is not the case buddy
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Wards announces "Ten Best Engines" list for 2007
From Autoblog...
It's that time of year for all the end of year awards and top ten lists to surface, but Ward's always brings something different to the table. Rather than pick out the best car or truck that was new this year, the automotive trade journal picks the ten best engines, and this year it focused on motors that manage to balance the competing demands of more power and more fuel economy.
Click the name of any engine below to view, or tour the Ten Best Engines list in our gallery.
* Audi AG: FSI 2.0L turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3)
* BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (335i Coupe)
* Daimler AG: 3.0L DOHC V-6 Turbodiesel (Mercedes E320 CDI)
* Ford Motor Co.: 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang Shelby GT/Bullitt)
* General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
* General Motors Corp.: 6.0L OHV V-8 Hybrid (GMC Yukon Hybrid)
* Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
* Mazda Motor Corp.: 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed3)
* Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.7L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G37)
* Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
The real question is whether or not you think Ward's got its "Ten Best Engines" list right? What engines are missing, or more importantly, which ones don't deserve to be included? You can read our opinion after the jump and leave your own in the comments.
Click the name of any engine below to view, or tour the Ten Best Engines list in our gallery.
* Audi AG: FSI 2.0L turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Audi A3)
* BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (335i Coupe)
* Daimler AG: 3.0L DOHC V-6 Turbodiesel (Mercedes E320 CDI)
* Ford Motor Co.: 4.6L SOHC V-8 (Mustang Shelby GT/Bullitt)
* General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
* General Motors Corp.: 6.0L OHV V-8 Hybrid (GMC Yukon Hybrid)
* Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
* Mazda Motor Corp.: 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (Mazdaspeed3)
* Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.7L DOHC V-6 (Infiniti G37)
* Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
The real question is whether or not you think Ward's got its "Ten Best Engines" list right? What engines are missing, or more importantly, which ones don't deserve to be included? You can read our opinion after the jump and leave your own in the comments.
I hope you're not serious.
My engine's on there.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
Woot ... Love my DISI 
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Ward's 10 Best list continues to lose credibility... I think its more of a "10 Best Engines (we actually mean cars) list"
The J35? Please.... essentially the same exact engine was in the RL/TL-S, albeit it made more power. Virtually unchanged, isn't it? Most Ward's 10 Best engines list winners have something to differentiate themselves from previous or other winners or other engines in the market in general.... I guess having a SOHC V6 is something, but it makes me wonder why it makes the list now after a 2 year absence and now having less power.
Then again I haven't been keeping up. Does the new Accord's V6 have A-VTEC?
The J35? Please.... essentially the same exact engine was in the RL/TL-S, albeit it made more power. Virtually unchanged, isn't it? Most Ward's 10 Best engines list winners have something to differentiate themselves from previous or other winners or other engines in the market in general.... I guess having a SOHC V6 is something, but it makes me wonder why it makes the list now after a 2 year absence and now having less power.
Then again I haven't been keeping up. Does the new Accord's V6 have A-VTEC?
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J35 FTW! While beautifully designed, it needs a bit more torque.
However....in my heavy 2G RL, I get 26-27 mpg at 70-75 mph with this puppy on the freeway, AND it's ULEV. Beautifully designed, indeed....
However....in my heavy 2G RL, I get 26-27 mpg at 70-75 mph with this puppy on the freeway, AND it's ULEV. Beautifully designed, indeed....
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a note on the j-series is they are refining them a little bit more in all areas such as the intake design and the Vtec or Vtec features with cylinder deactivation.
The main thing is this motor is bulletproof and can last 200k miles or more and is very versatile.
The main thing is this motor is bulletproof and can last 200k miles or more and is very versatile.
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Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
Ward's 10 Best list continues to lose credibility... I think its more of a "10 Best Engines (we actually mean cars) list"
The J35? Please.... essentially the same exact engine was in the RL/TL-S, albeit it made more power. Virtually unchanged, isn't it? Most Ward's 10 Best engines list winners have something to differentiate themselves from previous or other winners or other engines in the market in general.... I guess having a SOHC V6 is something, but it makes me wonder why it makes the list now after a 2 year absence and now having less power.
Then again I haven't been keeping up. Does the new Accord's V6 have A-VTEC?
The J35? Please.... essentially the same exact engine was in the RL/TL-S, albeit it made more power. Virtually unchanged, isn't it? Most Ward's 10 Best engines list winners have something to differentiate themselves from previous or other winners or other engines in the market in general.... I guess having a SOHC V6 is something, but it makes me wonder why it makes the list now after a 2 year absence and now having less power.
Then again I haven't been keeping up. Does the new Accord's V6 have A-VTEC?
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From: Maryland
Originally Posted by Hapa DC5
We have an '07 Speed3 and it's an awesome motor. It starts to run out of steam at higher rpms, but other then that very rewarding.
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From: Los Gatos, CA
Originally Posted by charliemike
I hear it's that it runs out of fuel. Not 100% on that. There are times where I feel like it's definitely in need of more fuel though.
I thought these motors run pig rich. Oh well, the car has an extremely easy existence a 6 mile round trip commute to work and back five days a week. I take it out every other weekend to give the TL a rest. After almost four months of ownership she still hasn't hit 2,000 miles 1,974 as of this morning. It's a fantastic car to own and worthy of all the awards it has earned.
My TL on the other hand just hit 22k today and I've only had it 14 months. At least the company pays me on my mileage.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
I hear it's that it runs out of fuel. Not 100% on that. There are times where I feel like it's definitely in need of more fuel though.
Come on over..I mod the 6 section...
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Originally Posted by swift22
a note on the j-series is they are refining them a little bit more in all areas such as the intake design and the Vtec or Vtec features with cylinder deactivation.
The main thing is this motor is bulletproof and can last 200k miles or more and is very versatile.
The main thing is this motor is bulletproof and can last 200k miles or more and is very versatile.
It's not such an incredible feat anymore.
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Ward's Auto: 2009 Ten Best Engines
Ward's Auto has released its annual list of Ten Best Engines for the new year, and our first assessment is that it's just as interesting for what isn't present as for what is. First of all, let's get the official list out of the way:
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- Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)
- BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
- BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
- Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
- Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
- General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
- Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
- Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
- Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
- Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)
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PRESS RELEASE:
Ward's Announces 2009 10 Best Engines Winners
SOUTHFIELD, MI – Amid plummeting vehicle sales, thousands of job losses, an economy officially in recession and pleas for federal assistance, a handful of auto makers have cause to celebrate.
Ward's Automotive Group announces its 2009 10 Best Engines list, which reflects the diversity of powertrains that will play a role in reshaping America's automotive landscape.
Selected by Ward's editors, the 2009 list marks the 15th year for the Ward's 10 Best Engines program, the North American auto industry's only awards honoring powertrain excellence and considered by many to be the "Oscars" for automotive engines.
The winners for 2008 (engine and tested vehicle):
* Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)
* BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
* BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
* Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
* Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
* General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
* Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
* Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
* Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
* Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)
Awards to be presented during Detroit auto show in January.
"A decade ago, few consumers in the U.S. paid serious attention to hybrids or diesels. This year, they have to, if they don't want to be pinched the next time fuel hits $4 a gallon," says Tom Murphy, executive editor of Ward's AutoWorld magazine."The diesels from VW and BMW and the Ford Escape Hybrid all got better than 30 mpg (7.8 L/100 km) during our testing, and often they topped 40 mpg (5.8 L/100 km)," he says. "And the diesels meet the strictest emissions regulations in the world. If Americans want to find a vehicle that consumes less fuel and is fun to drive, our list is a great place to start."
Among the winners is Ford Motor Co.'s redesigned 2.5L 4-cyl. hybrid-electric powertrain, which motivated President and CEO Alan Mulally's Escape Hybrid cross/utility vehicle to and from Washington D.C. for federal-aid talks, makes the cut.
During Ward's testing, the front-wheel-drive HEV managed to easily surpass the federal fuel-economy rating of 34/31 city/highway mpg (6.9-7.5 L/100 km).
BMW AG's new 3.0L inline 6-cyl. turbodiesel scores a slot on the list in its first year available in the U.S. Joined by the auto maker's twin-turbocharged and direct-injected gasoline I-6 engine, which returns for the third year, the diesel employs a sequential twin-turbocharger system that provides the 335d sedan with impressive fuel economy and a stunning 425 lb.-ft. (576 Nm) of torque.
Volkswagen AG joins the clean-diesel party this year, as well, with its new 2.0L 4-cyl. turbodiesel powering the Jetta TDI sedan. Fun to drive and frugal at the pump, the TDI is an affordable and entertaining alternative to many larger gasoline and hybrid-electric powertrains.
Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd. appears for the first time on Ward's 10 Best Engines list with its all-new Tau 4.6L DOHC V-8. Introduced in the new Genesis luxury sedan, the engine's velvety power delivery, competitive performance and attainable price epitomize the Korean auto maker's drive for world-class engineering.
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Chrysler LLC's venerable 5.7L Hemi V-8 returns to the rankings with added refinement, power and variable-valvetrain and induction technology. Its guttural roar and low-end grunt serves double duty this year in the all-new Dodge Challenger R/T and Ram pickup.
Toyota Motor Corp. scores its fourth consecutive 10 Best Engines win with its Lexus 3.5L DOHC V-6, a brilliant design that employs a unique, combination direct- and port-injection fueling system that helps generate 306 hp and 277 lb.-ft. (376 Nm) of torque.
General Motors Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Ltd. also make return appearances with their high-volume V-6 engines exemplifying practicality balanced with precision engineering.
GM's high-feature 3.6L V-6 with direct-gasoline injection returns for the second time. Tested in the Cadillac CTS, yet flexible enough to proliferate through the auto maker's CUVs, the advanced V-6 makes a hardy 304 hp on regular gasoline.
Honda underscores its longstanding reputation for great engines with the encore performance of its 3.5L SOHC V-6 in the Accord lineup. Merging exceptional performance with reasonable fuel economy, the engine employs advanced cylinder deactivation in the sedan and engaging power delivery in the coupe.
Audi AG's 2.0L TFSI turbocharged 4-cyl., freshly revamped with 211 hp and a mighty 258 lb.-ft. (350 Nm) of torque for the all-new A4, rounds out the list with a fourth-consecutive 10 Best Engines placing as one of the best all-around turbo-4s on the market.
This year, six Ward's editors nominated 32 different engines for the Ward's 10 Best Engines competition. The nominee list consists of the 2008 winners as well as all-new or significantly improved engines.
Over a nearly 2-month period, the editors evaluated and scored each engine against all others in a number of objective and subjective parameters. Each engine must be available in a regular-production U.S.-specification model on sale no later than first-quarter 2009, in a vehicle priced no more than $54,000, a price cap indexed to the average cost of a new vehicle.
The awards will be given at a Jan. 14 ceremony in Detroit during the North American International Auto Show.
Complete stories about the 10 Best Engines will be featured soon on WardsAuto.com and in upcoming issues of Ward's AutoWorld magazine and Ward's Engine & Vehicle Technology Update newsletter.
Ward's 10 Best Engines is a copyright of Penton Media Inc. Commercial references to the program and/or awards are prohibited without prior permission of Ward's Automotive Group.
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Over a nearly 2-month period, the editors evaluated and scored each engine against all others in a number of objective and subjective parameters. Each engine must be available in a regular-production U.S.-specification model on sale no later than first-quarter 2009, in a vehicle priced no more than $54,000, a price cap indexed to the average cost of a new vehicle.
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Joke aside....I guess the fuel economy of the VQ is the main reason that it didn't make it to the list. I mean the Accord V6 6MT in the real world according to C&D can get 22mpg (rated @17mpg in the city). On the other hand, while the G37 7AT sedan is rated at 18/25 mpg (or 18/26mpg), C&D only got 17mpg.
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10 Best Engines of 2009
# Audi AG: 2.0L TFSI turbocharged DOHC I-4 (A4 Avant)
# BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
# BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
# Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
# Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
# General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
# Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
# Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
# Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
# Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)
# BMW AG: 3.0L turbocharged DOHC I-6 (135i Coupe)
# BMW AG: 3.0L DOHC I-6 Turbodiesel (335d)
# Chrysler LLC: 5.7L Hemi OHV V-8 (Dodge Ram/Challenger R/T)
# Ford Motor Co.: 2.5L DOHC I-4 HEV (Escape Hybrid)
# General Motors Corp.: 3.6L DOHC V-6 (Cadillac CTS)
# Honda Motor Co. Ltd.: 3.5L SOHC V-6 (Accord Coupe)
# Hyundai Motor Co. Ltd.: 4.6L DOHC V-8 (Genesis)
# Toyota Motor Corp.: 3.5L DOHC V-6 (Lexus IS 350)
# Volkswagen AG: 2.0L SOHC I-4 Turbodiesel (Jetta TDI)
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