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12-13-2005, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Maybe this'll prompt Honda to go the DI on the J-series. Or better yet: a new DOHC 24v iVTEC V6 with DI. That said, this list wont sit well with Honda Corp.
12-13-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Seems like the Nissan VQ fell behind on the direct injection bandwagon.
That said, it seems to be by choice:
This might sound like a stretch, but a little investigation reveals some irresistible clues. Take a look at the year-old Infiniti XVL concept sedan, described as a "next-generation rear-drive platform engineered specifically for use with a compact V-6 engine." Bingo. If that's not convincing enough, we also have information on a high-performance Maxima-based engine that "is a NEO DI VQ30DD direct-injection gasoline-fueled V-6 featuring NExT [tuned] combustion to obtain substantial improvements in both fuel economy and power output." For the Z, it's questionable whether they'll forgo traditional electronic multi-port fuel injection in favor of yet-unproven direct injection, but we still believe this to be the basis for the '03 Z-car's DOHC 24-valve 3.5L engine. Further supporting this assumption is the fact that there are already various versions of the VQ block in the Maxima, I30, and QX4 while there's a 250-hp/3.5L version of the VQ block in the '01 Pathfinder.
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12-13-2005, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
But not enough to be bumped off the list.
That said, it seems to be by choice:
This might sound like a stretch, but a little investigation reveals some irresistible clues. Take a look at the year-old Infiniti XVL concept sedan, described as a "next-generation rear-drive platform engineered specifically for use with a compact V-6 engine." Bingo. If that's not convincing enough, we also have information on a high-performance Maxima-based engine that "is a NEO DI VQ30DD direct-injection gasoline-fueled V-6 featuring NExT [tuned] combustion to obtain substantial improvements in both fuel economy and power output." For the Z, it's questionable whether they'll forgo traditional electronic multi-port fuel injection in favor of yet-unproven direct injection, but we still believe this to be the basis for the '03 Z-car's DOHC 24-valve 3.5L engine. Further supporting this assumption is the fact that there are already various versions of the VQ block in the Maxima, I30, and QX4 while there's a 250-hp/3.5L version of the VQ block in the '01 Pathfinder.
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That said, it seems to be by choice:
This might sound like a stretch, but a little investigation reveals some irresistible clues. Take a look at the year-old Infiniti XVL concept sedan, described as a "next-generation rear-drive platform engineered specifically for use with a compact V-6 engine." Bingo. If that's not convincing enough, we also have information on a high-performance Maxima-based engine that "is a NEO DI VQ30DD direct-injection gasoline-fueled V-6 featuring NExT [tuned] combustion to obtain substantial improvements in both fuel economy and power output." For the Z, it's questionable whether they'll forgo traditional electronic multi-port fuel injection in favor of yet-unproven direct injection, but we still believe this to be the basis for the '03 Z-car's DOHC 24-valve 3.5L engine. Further supporting this assumption is the fact that there are already various versions of the VQ block in the Maxima, I30, and QX4 while there's a 250-hp/3.5L version of the VQ block in the '01 Pathfinder.
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It could have been by choice back then but it probably should have been introduced on the M35 sedan to remain at the top of the pack as far as technology now. If they don't have it or something new up their sleeve before the next 10 best, I think they could get bumped off the list.
12-13-2005, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by youngTL
I hope it prompts Honda to bring out the big guns like you said (Direct Injection i-VTEC J-series, that would go like stink!)
Can you imagine that?? As it is in the RL, the J-series is already pumping out 290hp with an older VTEC setup, SOHC valvetrain and a conventional PGM-FI. With a) DOHC valvetrain, b) Cam Phasing (iVTEC) and c) Direct Injection it'd probably make the IS350's 306hp 3.5L look like a joke.With Honda not being on that list AND Nissan/Toyota getting press as world class V6 motors, you can bet the farm Honda wont sit idle on this one.
12-13-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
It could have been by choice back then but it probably should have been introduced on the M35 sedan to remain at the top of the pack as far as technology now. If they don't have it or something new up their sleeve before the next 10 best, I think they could get bumped off the list.
Safe to say that if they didnt slack for the past 12 years (NOTE: VQ30DE = 1995 Nissan Maxima) they probably wont start now....unlike a certain other Japanese make.
12-13-2005, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
It could have been by choice back then but it probably should have been introduced on the M35 sedan to remain at the top of the pack as far as technology now. If they don't have it or something new up their sleeve before the next 10 best, I think they could get bumped off the list.
12-13-2005, 03:42 PM
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I've been raving to my friends about the A3 and it's engine and I haven't even test drove it yet. I guess this is an "I told you so"
I really would like to own an A3, for the price it's a great little car.
I really would like to own an A3, for the price it's a great little car.
12-13-2005, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
I've been raving to my friends about the A3 and it's engine and I haven't even test drove it yet. I guess this is an "I told you so"
I really would like to own an A3, for the price it's a great little car.
I really would like to own an A3, for the price it's a great little car.
12-13-2005, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I saw the A3 up close a week or so ago. It's a nice looking car. If it werent for the Mazda3, I'd say that the A3 is probably the best looking compact wagon on the market. If Mazda puts the 2.3L DISI-T into the 5-door 3, it'd be some serious competition for the A3.
That one will be sweet. Small car with a beefy engine. Of course it's a precursor to the S3
Too bad the A3 6cyl version only comes with a lazy stick
The S3 is suppose to come with a 6speed tranny
12-13-2005, 06:52 PM
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As usual Honda comes to the game late with their version of the "new" thing - DI. As they proved with their diesel in Europe - they are certainly not asleep at the wheel. That engine is the best in a lot of categories. The same will be applied to gas versions.
Unfortunately for all internal combustion engine makers we are getting to the point of diminishing returns. There's not a whole lot more that can be done with such an engine past direct injection (electric valvetrain?). The performance, fuel use and emissions on each new generation of engine only provides single digit % improvements. As it is, Nissan and some other cost conscious makers might not even bother with DI cause it's too expensive (along with other solutions). Look at GM - it's sticking with the pushrod engine. It's called the "good enough" solution. Toyota has money to burn so they can spend money on DI engines. VW already spent the money and almost all of their engines are DI so they'll stick to it - but will try to make it cheaper. MB and BMW will also switch - they have the know how from the diesels. But the rest - probably not for quite a while.
Unfortunately for all internal combustion engine makers we are getting to the point of diminishing returns. There's not a whole lot more that can be done with such an engine past direct injection (electric valvetrain?). The performance, fuel use and emissions on each new generation of engine only provides single digit % improvements. As it is, Nissan and some other cost conscious makers might not even bother with DI cause it's too expensive (along with other solutions). Look at GM - it's sticking with the pushrod engine. It's called the "good enough" solution. Toyota has money to burn so they can spend money on DI engines. VW already spent the money and almost all of their engines are DI so they'll stick to it - but will try to make it cheaper. MB and BMW will also switch - they have the know how from the diesels. But the rest - probably not for quite a while.
12-14-2005, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
Too bad the A3 6cyl version only comes with a lazy stick
The S3 is suppose to come with a 6speed tranny
The S3 is suppose to come with a 6speed tranny
12-14-2005, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
I've been raving to my friends about the A3 and it's engine and I haven't even test drove it yet. I guess this is an "I told you so"
I really would like to own an A3, for the price it's a great little car.
I really would like to own an A3, for the price it's a great little car.
I drove the A4 2.0t and that engine is leaps and bounds better than the 1.8t.
IMO
12-14-2005, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
I drove the A4 2.0t and that engine is leaps and bounds better than the 1.8t.
IMO
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12-14-2005, 09:34 AM
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I'm surprised the new Hemi with the cylinder deactivation didnt make it. Shit, the LS2 and LS7 didnt make it either. I guess dont like big motors.
12-14-2005, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bigman
I'm surprised the new Hemi with the cylinder deactivation didnt make it.
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Isnt this the same motor:
DaimlerChrysler AG: 5.7L Hemi Magnum OHV V-8 (Dodge Charger R/T)
12-14-2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by corey415
Isnt this the same motor:
DaimlerChrysler AG: 5.7L Hemi Magnum OHV V-8 (Dodge Charger R/T)
DaimlerChrysler AG: 5.7L Hemi Magnum OHV V-8 (Dodge Charger R/T)
12-14-2005, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by aaronnn
i wouldnt mind the A3 mated with the VW DSG tranny though. those things are slick!
12-17-2005, 05:32 PM
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Incidentally, I test drove the Mazdaspeed6 today with its 2.3L DISI turbocharged DOHC I-4. Without going into a complete test drive review of the car, the motor pulled VERY strongly and the turbo lag is nearly non-existent.
And I have to commend Mazda on how they discretely routed the intercooler intake between the front grill and hood lip (as opposed to Subaru's method of sticking a scoop through the topside of the hood).
My only caveat was that the motor sounded a bit raspier than I'd expected. That said, this motor is justified in being on this list.
Sidenote: Despite it's 3600lb heft, the MS6 still felt pretty lite on its "feet".
And I have to commend Mazda on how they discretely routed the intercooler intake between the front grill and hood lip (as opposed to Subaru's method of sticking a scoop through the topside of the hood).
My only caveat was that the motor sounded a bit raspier than I'd expected. That said, this motor is justified in being on this list.
Sidenote: Despite it's 3600lb heft, the MS6 still felt pretty lite on its "feet".
12-18-2005, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Kighter
The DSG *is* the A3's automatic - there is no slush box. The new 3.2Q A3 is going to be sold only with the DSG. My wife and I are considering one right now. Drove it again last night and it's a very very fun little car.
hmm i do wonder the reliability on one of those though. actually more than half those cars listed on that list.. dont they have relibility issues??
12-19-2005, 01:27 PM
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Wow, no LS7? Look at some of the POS engines on that list. How can they leave it off? Ti valves and connecting rods.
The LS7 with a 4 inch stroke (101.6 mm) and a redline of 7000 rpm acheives a piston speed faster than the little 2.0L in the new Civic Si, and the LS7 pistons are HUGE!
The LS7 with a 4 inch stroke (101.6 mm) and a redline of 7000 rpm acheives a piston speed faster than the little 2.0L in the new Civic Si, and the LS7 pistons are HUGE!
06-02-2006, 11:43 AM
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Ward's Auto World Best Engines of 2006
May 28, 2006
Best Engines of 2006
Each year, Ward's Auto World chooses the 10 best engines available in cars sold in the United States. To be eligible, the engines must be available in regular-production vehicles with a base price of no more than $52,500. Here are this year's winning engines and the cars in which they were tested.
AUDI 2-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 200
Vehicle: A3 2.0T
AUDI 4.2-liter V-8
Horsepower: 340
Vehicle: S4 sedan
BMW 3-liter in-line 6
Horsepower: 255
Vehicle: 330i
CHRYSLER 5.7-liter Hemi V-8
Horsepower: 350
Vehicle: Dodge Charger R/T
FORD 4.6-liter V-8
Horsepower: 300
Vehicle: Mustang GT
GENERAL MOTORS 2-liter supercharged in-line 4
Horsepower: 205
Vehicle: Chevrolet Cobalt SS
MAZDA 2.3-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 274
Vehicle: Mazdaspeed 6
NISSAN 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 298
Vehicle: Infiniti G35
SAAB 2.8-liter turbocharged V-6
Horsepower: 250
Vehicle: Saab 9-3
TOYOTA 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 306
Vehicle: Lexus IS 350
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/au...tml?8dt&emc=dt
Best Engines of 2006
Each year, Ward's Auto World chooses the 10 best engines available in cars sold in the United States. To be eligible, the engines must be available in regular-production vehicles with a base price of no more than $52,500. Here are this year's winning engines and the cars in which they were tested.
AUDI 2-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 200
Vehicle: A3 2.0T
AUDI 4.2-liter V-8
Horsepower: 340
Vehicle: S4 sedan
BMW 3-liter in-line 6
Horsepower: 255
Vehicle: 330i
CHRYSLER 5.7-liter Hemi V-8
Horsepower: 350
Vehicle: Dodge Charger R/T
FORD 4.6-liter V-8
Horsepower: 300
Vehicle: Mustang GT
GENERAL MOTORS 2-liter supercharged in-line 4
Horsepower: 205
Vehicle: Chevrolet Cobalt SS
MAZDA 2.3-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 274
Vehicle: Mazdaspeed 6
NISSAN 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 298
Vehicle: Infiniti G35
SAAB 2.8-liter turbocharged V-6
Horsepower: 250
Vehicle: Saab 9-3
TOYOTA 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 306
Vehicle: Lexus IS 350
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/au...tml?8dt&emc=dt
06-02-2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
May 28, 2006
Best Engines of 2006
Each year, Ward's Auto World chooses the 10 best engines available in cars sold in the United States. To be eligible, the engines must be available in regular-production vehicles with a base price of no more than $52,500. Here are this year's winning engines and the cars in which they were tested.
AUDI 2-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 200
Vehicle: A3 2.0T
AUDI 4.2-liter V-8
Horsepower: 340
Vehicle: S4 sedan
BMW 3-liter in-line 6
Horsepower: 255
Vehicle: 330i
CHRYSLER 5.7-liter Hemi V-8
Horsepower: 350
Vehicle: Dodge Charger R/T
FORD 4.6-liter V-8
Horsepower: 300
Vehicle: Mustang GT
GENERAL MOTORS 2-liter supercharged in-line 4
Horsepower: 205
Vehicle: Chevrolet Cobalt SS
MAZDA 2.3-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 274
Vehicle: Mazdaspeed 6
NISSAN 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 298
Vehicle: Infiniti G35
SAAB 2.8-liter turbocharged V-6
Horsepower: 250
Vehicle: Saab 9-3
TOYOTA 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 306
Vehicle: Lexus IS 350
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/au...tml?8dt&emc=dt
Best Engines of 2006
Each year, Ward's Auto World chooses the 10 best engines available in cars sold in the United States. To be eligible, the engines must be available in regular-production vehicles with a base price of no more than $52,500. Here are this year's winning engines and the cars in which they were tested.
AUDI 2-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 200
Vehicle: A3 2.0T
AUDI 4.2-liter V-8
Horsepower: 340
Vehicle: S4 sedan
BMW 3-liter in-line 6
Horsepower: 255
Vehicle: 330i
CHRYSLER 5.7-liter Hemi V-8
Horsepower: 350
Vehicle: Dodge Charger R/T
FORD 4.6-liter V-8
Horsepower: 300
Vehicle: Mustang GT
GENERAL MOTORS 2-liter supercharged in-line 4
Horsepower: 205
Vehicle: Chevrolet Cobalt SS
MAZDA 2.3-liter turbo in-line 4
Horsepower: 274
Vehicle: Mazdaspeed 6
NISSAN 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 298
Vehicle: Infiniti G35
SAAB 2.8-liter turbocharged V-6
Horsepower: 250
Vehicle: Saab 9-3
TOYOTA 3.5-liter V-6
Horsepower: 306
Vehicle: Lexus IS 350
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/28/au...tml?8dt&emc=dt
. Except for the boosted 6 in the 9-3, Ward's list in general is pretty much my personal top 10 as well. Too bad the K20A2/K20AZ3 could not be included on this list somehow; IMHO, it is simply the best commercial motor Honda ever produced. 
06-02-2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Was Merc's new 6.3L V8 not eligible yet?
To be eligible, the engines must be available in regular-production vehicles with a base price of no more than $52,500.
06-02-2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by unlemming
How did Ford's 4.6L V8 that produces 300 HP get on there?
Its not terribly refined.
Also wondering how the Chevy Cobalt motor got there. I would have thought that the K series unit in the Si or the TSX would have been a better choice.
EDIT: curious to know - what do YOU guys think is the BEST engine out of them all.
My money is on the 2.0T motor in the newer VW/Audi cars. Very torquey, very flexible, no lag, economical. Too bad it probably won't be very reliable.
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06-02-2006, 08:13 PM
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[QUOTE=vishnus11]
Its not terribly refined.
Maybe because it produces that power in the under 25k segment, huh? Its not terribly refined, compared to what? The rest of the shit birds? In what way are the other engines noted as terribly refined? We have a couple of Audis with FI, fuck, out goes their refinement leaving WHO that is terribly refined? Please list engines rather than bullshit.
Its not terribly refined.
Originally Posted by vishnus11
?
Maybe because it produces that power in the under 25k segment, huh? Its not terribly refined, compared to what? The rest of the shit birds? In what way are the other engines noted as terribly refined? We have a couple of Audis with FI, fuck, out goes their refinement leaving WHO that is terribly refined? Please list engines rather than bullshit.
06-02-2006, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by unlemming
How did Ford's 4.6L V8 that produces 300 HP get on there?
06-02-2006, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
EDIT: curious to know - what do YOU guys think is the BEST engine out of them all.
My money is on the 2.0T motor in the newer VW/Audi cars. Very torquey, very flexible, no lag, economical. Too bad it probably won't be very reliable.
My money is on the 2.0T motor in the newer VW/Audi cars. Very torquey, very flexible, no lag, economical. Too bad it probably won't be very reliable.
06-02-2006, 09:25 PM
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I know it doesn't fit the criteria, but I think the LS7 is one of my favorite engines. The HP, TQ Fuel economy and sound are amazing.
I also don't know why they didn't use the VQ from the Z which makes an even 300hp instead of the 298 in the G35
I also don't know why they didn't use the VQ from the Z which makes an even 300hp instead of the 298 in the G35
06-02-2006, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
I would vote for the current Civic Si's motor. There are few NA 4 cylinder engines that put out that kind of power (~190 hp at the wheels according to some dyno runs). Honda makes some of the smoothest and most powerful 4 cylinder engines on the market today. If it's like previous engines it should be bulletproof as far as reliability goes too.
06-02-2006, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
190whp according to BS dyno runs from where? Why aren't there tons of dynojet runs from all the new Si owners to back up this massive power of the 2.0 that has been resting, but not shown, in the rsxS for a while now? What does club-rsx have to say about 190 stock whp, while all their members mods their rsxS's to get to that point and beyond?
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