Volkswagen: Golf News
#921
Suzuka Master
^ same
and is that red 3 door golf a render?
and is that red 3 door golf a render?
#923
Suzuka Master
Autocar reports Volkswagen may be working on a lightweight version of the GTI as a tribute to the model's bare-bones ancestry. Dubbed "Carbon GTI," the model is said to make use of a range of new manufacturing techniques to incorporate a heap of carbon fiber and aluminum wherever possible. Pieces like the bulkhead, windshield frame and floor panels are all expected to be hammered from lightweight alloy while the hood and roof will be stitched from the composite. All told, the changes should shave around 440 pounds from the chassis, resulting in a curb weight in the neighborhood of 2,480 pounds.
Word has it VW will leave the drivetrain untouched from the upcoming Mark VII GTI, which means buyers can expect to find the same turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine under the hood good for around 222 horsepower (the 2012 model makes do with an even 200 horses). Even so, the Weight Watchers treatment should help the Carbon GTI slim its 0-60 dash to below six seconds.
The model may be a test platform for manufacturing techniques that Volkswagen plans to employ on the next-generation Audi MLB platform. The German automaker will likely spread the cost of developing the machine across greener Golf iterations, including a hybrid and an electric model.
Word has it VW will leave the drivetrain untouched from the upcoming Mark VII GTI, which means buyers can expect to find the same turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine under the hood good for around 222 horsepower (the 2012 model makes do with an even 200 horses). Even so, the Weight Watchers treatment should help the Carbon GTI slim its 0-60 dash to below six seconds.
The model may be a test platform for manufacturing techniques that Volkswagen plans to employ on the next-generation Audi MLB platform. The German automaker will likely spread the cost of developing the machine across greener Golf iterations, including a hybrid and an electric model.
#924
The sizzle in the Steak
MkVII GIT Revealed!
#925
Some dude
That looks pretty boring. Not an improvement over the VI exterior wise.
#927
The sizzle in the Steak
It's an evolution not a revolution on the exterior design.
It's clearly more refined looking, and mixes in a lot more angles/creases in the body work.
It's clearly more refined looking, and mixes in a lot more angles/creases in the body work.
#928
#929
Some dude
Sometimes adding more angles and creases just leads to things like this:
so that's not a valid reasoning as far as determining refinement goes.
#930
Suzuka Master
wait, i dont get it.... this looks for the most part the same as the mk6, which you guys all like and yet its boring?
Boring because they didnt change it? I like it. I liked the mk6 also, but some things on here look better. Seeing how the mk7 golf is, this is much better.
I like the look of the new steering wheel too. Although it seems a little to thin, no?? Maybe its just the angle, I like thicker steering wheels haha.
any specs yet??
Boring because they didnt change it? I like it. I liked the mk6 also, but some things on here look better. Seeing how the mk7 golf is, this is much better.
I like the look of the new steering wheel too. Although it seems a little to thin, no?? Maybe its just the angle, I like thicker steering wheels haha.
any specs yet??
#931
Suzuka Master
are you sure this isnt a PS?? Whats with the redline going through the headlights??
edit: nvm they're labeling it as a concept, but i'm sure it will look the same, unless they update some things
edit: nvm they're labeling it as a concept, but i'm sure it will look the same, unless they update some things
Last edited by speedemon90; 09-26-2012 at 01:50 PM.
#932
The sizzle in the Steak
Is this post similar to the climate control vent locations and how they relate to the navigation screen location?
#933
Some dude
Statement: "adding creases and angles makes something more refined"
Rebuttal: "here is another example of that theory, it turned out horrible. Clearly just adding things to a design does not improve said design"
Seems simple enough. And just an opinion of course.
Last edited by MeehowsBRZ; 09-26-2012 at 02:32 PM.
#934
I spend 2 much time here
yeah no point to drastically change things just for the heck of it. i think the major change is that this car is losing like 200+lbs of weight and gaining some more power in the engine.
#936
The sizzle in the Steak
#937
Suzuka Master
217 hp
seems to be a nice big boost in tq though
edit: actually if its going to be 200lbs lighter its gonna feel like a night and day difference. Then with a chip, this thing will fly!!
seems to be a nice big boost in tq though
Following the debut of the new Mark VII Golf, Volkswagen is set to pull the wraps off of a new GTI Concept at the Paris Motor Show. Though its time in the hot lights is less than a day away, that hasn't stopped the likes of AutoBild from dropping some freshly leaked images of the hot hatch design study on the interwebs.
The "near-production" concept preceding the roadgoing model is a practice that follows suit from the previous GTI debut at Paris in 2008. AutoBild is claiming that the new GTI will feature a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four making 217 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque routed to the buyer's choice of a six-speed manual or DSG dual-clutch gearbox. The German magazine is also saying that there will be an optional performance package that boosts output to 227 hp. 0 to 62 mph is pegged at 6.6 seconds with a top speed of 153 mph in the standard iteration, while the performance package model is said to make the run in 6.5 seconds, topping out at 155.
While the concept features a bevy of traditional GTI hallmark including a plaid interior and black grille with red pinstriping, the concept extends the red line across the headlights in novel fashion. The concept also features Testarrosa-rific gills as part of the lower front valence (we'll have to wait to see in person to see how we feel about 'em).
Inside, the GTI Concept seems ready to hit the road, with touchscreen navigation, pushbutton start and red stitching on the steering wheel and shift boot.
Though the interior looks very production-ready, only time will tell if the roadgoing version of this iconic performance hatchback looks exactly like what you see here.
The "near-production" concept preceding the roadgoing model is a practice that follows suit from the previous GTI debut at Paris in 2008. AutoBild is claiming that the new GTI will feature a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four making 217 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque routed to the buyer's choice of a six-speed manual or DSG dual-clutch gearbox. The German magazine is also saying that there will be an optional performance package that boosts output to 227 hp. 0 to 62 mph is pegged at 6.6 seconds with a top speed of 153 mph in the standard iteration, while the performance package model is said to make the run in 6.5 seconds, topping out at 155.
While the concept features a bevy of traditional GTI hallmark including a plaid interior and black grille with red pinstriping, the concept extends the red line across the headlights in novel fashion. The concept also features Testarrosa-rific gills as part of the lower front valence (we'll have to wait to see in person to see how we feel about 'em).
Inside, the GTI Concept seems ready to hit the road, with touchscreen navigation, pushbutton start and red stitching on the steering wheel and shift boot.
Though the interior looks very production-ready, only time will tell if the roadgoing version of this iconic performance hatchback looks exactly like what you see here.
#938
The sizzle in the Steak
The power increase with the weight reduction is right on the money, IMHO.
#939
Suzuka Master
probably. I dunno why VW likes to underrate their 0-60 times. I know they said the mk6 gets 6.9/7.1 seconds to 60, but thats a total lie. Magazines get 6.1, but they beat the hell out of the transmission so maybe their numbers are more realistic??
#941
Fahrvergnügen'd
VW Golf BlueMotion Review on Autoblog
Euro cycle is 73mpg. Probably 45-48mpg on the highway with the new 1.6L diesel. 108hp/184lb-ft.
Don't know that we'll get that engine though.
Euro cycle is 73mpg. Probably 45-48mpg on the highway with the new 1.6L diesel. 108hp/184lb-ft.
Don't know that we'll get that engine though.
#943
Fahrvergnügen'd
I'm going to be interested to see the MK7 GTI vs the Focus ST.
I have a feeling the GTI is going to be a better car since the current one is just behind the ST right now.
And if Hyundai puts a bigger engine in the Veloster that'll be an interesting matchup too.
I have a feeling the GTI is going to be a better car since the current one is just behind the ST right now.
And if Hyundai puts a bigger engine in the Veloster that'll be an interesting matchup too.
#944
Suzuka Master
hyundai
#945
For me the Veloster is like the same category as the Aztek, GT-R, Panamera and Crosstour.
No matter how good it is I refuse to be seen inside something that looks like a beached whale, a giant jellybean on wheels, or like it was designed by Ray Charles. Sorry.
The Mk VII looks good, but the strakes in the bumper/fog light area bother me.
No matter how good it is I refuse to be seen inside something that looks like a beached whale, a giant jellybean on wheels, or like it was designed by Ray Charles. Sorry.
The Mk VII looks good, but the strakes in the bumper/fog light area bother me.
#947
I spend 2 much time here
guess that weight reduction figure was right!
Perhaps the most remarkable fact about the new Golf is that it's a full 220 pounds lighter than the outgoing model. That's all thanks to the new MQB platform that underpins the compact VW, which uses lightweight, high-strength steel in droves.
Perhaps the most remarkable fact about the new Golf is that it's a full 220 pounds lighter than the outgoing model. That's all thanks to the new MQB platform that underpins the compact VW, which uses lightweight, high-strength steel in droves.
#948
The sizzle in the Steak
Love that weight reduction!
#949
I spend 2 much time here
#950
The sizzle in the Steak
^^ It's easier and cheaper to come up with more power from the engine than to cut weight. Higher end VW/Audi products end consumers don't have fuel efficiency that high on their list of "wants".
#951
I'm going to agree with dom and say the current gen exterior is better. I'm trying to like this "concept GTI." Only thing I can say for certain I like are the new headlights and the beautiful interior.
Don't think it's "boring" nor bad, but something just seems off. Can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's that it's longer than the Mk6? Maybe it's the creases?
But since this is just a "concept" hopefully they'll tweak it a bit
The wheels are an improvement over the Detroits though (IMO)
But since this is just a "concept" hopefully they'll tweak it a bit
The wheels are an improvement over the Detroits though (IMO)
Last edited by AZuser; 09-27-2012 at 02:48 PM.
#952
VW press release
New Golf celebrates public premiere at the Mondial de l'Automobile in Paris
Additional world premieres for near final prototypes of the new Golf BlueMotion and Golf GTI
Wolfsburg / Paris, 27 September 2012 - At the Mondial de l'Automobile starting today in Paris everything at the Volkswagen show area revolves around the new Golf. In showing prototypes of the exceptionally fuel-efficient Golf BlueMotion and especially sporty Golf GTI, both almost ready to go into full production, Volkswagen is also providing a first look at some models of the future.
Available across Europe from the autumn, the Golf is being presented to a broad audience for the first time in Paris. With its larger interior (extra legroom in the back and 30 litres more luggage space), new pioneering safety systems such as multi-collision braking fitted as standard and a proactive passenger protection system (PreCrash), plus completely redesigned information and entertainment systems, Volkswagen is aiming to continue the bestseller's success story. New, fuel-efficient engines like the 140 PS petrol motor with cylinder deactivation and consumption of 4.8 litres per 100 kilometres (121 g/km CO2) use up to 23 per cent less fuel than their predecessors. Optimisation at this level on the new Golf is, however, not the exception, but the rule: the base models consume as petrol versions (TSI) 4.9 l/100 km (equating to 115 g CO2 /km) and as diesels (TDI) just 3.8 l/100 km (99 g CO2 /km).
By showing the near-production concept of the next Golf BlueMotion, Volkswagen is also giving visitors an insight into some sophisticated and yet affordable fuel-saving technologies. The future Golf BlueMotion excels with impressive average fuel consumption of just 3.2 l/100 km, equating to a CO2 value of 85 g CO2/km. It launches as a full production model in the summer of 2013.
Proof that even sporty vehicles can be fuel-efficient is provided by the new Golf GTI concept car. At just 6.0 l/100 km the seventh generation of the sporty classic again sets a new record. The average fuel consumption of the 162 kW / 220 PS Golf GTI has been reduced in comparison to its predecessor by 1.3 litres or 18 per cent.
Additional world premieres for near final prototypes of the new Golf BlueMotion and Golf GTI
Wolfsburg / Paris, 27 September 2012 - At the Mondial de l'Automobile starting today in Paris everything at the Volkswagen show area revolves around the new Golf. In showing prototypes of the exceptionally fuel-efficient Golf BlueMotion and especially sporty Golf GTI, both almost ready to go into full production, Volkswagen is also providing a first look at some models of the future.
Available across Europe from the autumn, the Golf is being presented to a broad audience for the first time in Paris. With its larger interior (extra legroom in the back and 30 litres more luggage space), new pioneering safety systems such as multi-collision braking fitted as standard and a proactive passenger protection system (PreCrash), plus completely redesigned information and entertainment systems, Volkswagen is aiming to continue the bestseller's success story. New, fuel-efficient engines like the 140 PS petrol motor with cylinder deactivation and consumption of 4.8 litres per 100 kilometres (121 g/km CO2) use up to 23 per cent less fuel than their predecessors. Optimisation at this level on the new Golf is, however, not the exception, but the rule: the base models consume as petrol versions (TSI) 4.9 l/100 km (equating to 115 g CO2 /km) and as diesels (TDI) just 3.8 l/100 km (99 g CO2 /km).
By showing the near-production concept of the next Golf BlueMotion, Volkswagen is also giving visitors an insight into some sophisticated and yet affordable fuel-saving technologies. The future Golf BlueMotion excels with impressive average fuel consumption of just 3.2 l/100 km, equating to a CO2 value of 85 g CO2/km. It launches as a full production model in the summer of 2013.
Proof that even sporty vehicles can be fuel-efficient is provided by the new Golf GTI concept car. At just 6.0 l/100 km the seventh generation of the sporty classic again sets a new record. The average fuel consumption of the 162 kW / 220 PS Golf GTI has been reduced in comparison to its predecessor by 1.3 litres or 18 per cent.
#954
VW Golf BlueMotion Concept Press Release
A REAL FAMILY CAR WITH 88.3 MPG? MUST BE THE NEW GOLF BLUEMOTION!
Making its motor show debut alongside the seventh-generation Volkswagen Golf this week in Paris is one of the world's most fuel-efficient cars: a concept for the new Golf BlueMotion. This is a genuine family car with five seats and all the Golf's traditional attributes of comfort and safety which is predicted to return 88.3 mpg on the combined cycle and emit just 85 g/km of carbon dioxide. The third-generation Golf BlueMotion is set for UK launch in summer 2013.
The first generation of the Golf BlueMotion made its debut five years ago at the Geneva Motor Show, with the car coming to market in mainland Europe at the end of 2007. At that time, the Golf BlueMotion set new standards for its class with a fuel consumption value of 62.8 mpg and CO2 emissions of 119 g/km. In 2009, Volkswagen showed the second-generation Golf BlueMotion in Geneva: here was a concept car whose fuel consumption had been reduced to 74.3 mpg and emissions cut to 99 g/km.
The fact that fuel consumption for the third Golf BlueMotion has now been reduced by another 15 per cent and CO2 emissions by 14 grams per km to a class-leading 85 g/km is a reflection of Volkswagen's continuous technical progress. With its 50-litre fuel tank and 88.3 mpg fuel consumption, the new Golf has a theoretical range of 970 miles. Assuming an average annual driving distance of 15,000 km (approx. 9,300 miles), most drivers will only have to refuel ten times a year.
The car's combined fuel consumption has been achieved through innovative lightweight design (including 26 kg less weight in the running gear and 37 kg less in the body), engine-related modifications and a collection of other measures. These include super low rolling resistance tyres with higher air pressure, longer gear ratios (five-speed manual gearbox,the Stop/Start and battery regeneration systems that are standard in all new Golfs, plus specific aerodynamic modifications.
The frontal area of the new Golf was reduced by 0.03 m2 and aerodynamic drag (Cd x A) by nearly 10 per cent. Compared to other Golf models, the aerodynamics of the BlueMotion were also refined by a lowered ride height (by 15 mm), a roof spoiler, lateral air guide elements on the rear window, a masked front grille, partially closed air inlet screens, optimised cooling system airflow, special underfloor panels, optimised brake cooling channels and a C-pillar spoiler. These measures provide the Golf BlueMotion with a Cd value of 0.27, making the car one of the most aerodynamic in its class.
At the heart of the new Golf BlueMotion concept is a 1.6-litre 110 PS TDI from the newly developed EA288 engine series. The four-cylinder 16-valve unit develops its maximum torque of 250 Nm from just 1,500 rpm up to 2,750 rpm.
Various measures such as reduced internal friction, an innovative thermal management system with shortened warm-up phase, exhaust gas recirculation, cylinder pressure sensor, two-stage oil pump, switchable electric water pump and water-cooled intercooler right in the intake manifold result in successfully reducing fuel consumption and emissions. To reduce emissions values further, Volkswagen has also implemented an oxidation catalytic converter, a diesel particulate filter and a NOx storage catalytic converter
Making its motor show debut alongside the seventh-generation Volkswagen Golf this week in Paris is one of the world's most fuel-efficient cars: a concept for the new Golf BlueMotion. This is a genuine family car with five seats and all the Golf's traditional attributes of comfort and safety which is predicted to return 88.3 mpg on the combined cycle and emit just 85 g/km of carbon dioxide. The third-generation Golf BlueMotion is set for UK launch in summer 2013.
The first generation of the Golf BlueMotion made its debut five years ago at the Geneva Motor Show, with the car coming to market in mainland Europe at the end of 2007. At that time, the Golf BlueMotion set new standards for its class with a fuel consumption value of 62.8 mpg and CO2 emissions of 119 g/km. In 2009, Volkswagen showed the second-generation Golf BlueMotion in Geneva: here was a concept car whose fuel consumption had been reduced to 74.3 mpg and emissions cut to 99 g/km.
The fact that fuel consumption for the third Golf BlueMotion has now been reduced by another 15 per cent and CO2 emissions by 14 grams per km to a class-leading 85 g/km is a reflection of Volkswagen's continuous technical progress. With its 50-litre fuel tank and 88.3 mpg fuel consumption, the new Golf has a theoretical range of 970 miles. Assuming an average annual driving distance of 15,000 km (approx. 9,300 miles), most drivers will only have to refuel ten times a year.
The car's combined fuel consumption has been achieved through innovative lightweight design (including 26 kg less weight in the running gear and 37 kg less in the body), engine-related modifications and a collection of other measures. These include super low rolling resistance tyres with higher air pressure, longer gear ratios (five-speed manual gearbox,the Stop/Start and battery regeneration systems that are standard in all new Golfs, plus specific aerodynamic modifications.
The frontal area of the new Golf was reduced by 0.03 m2 and aerodynamic drag (Cd x A) by nearly 10 per cent. Compared to other Golf models, the aerodynamics of the BlueMotion were also refined by a lowered ride height (by 15 mm), a roof spoiler, lateral air guide elements on the rear window, a masked front grille, partially closed air inlet screens, optimised cooling system airflow, special underfloor panels, optimised brake cooling channels and a C-pillar spoiler. These measures provide the Golf BlueMotion with a Cd value of 0.27, making the car one of the most aerodynamic in its class.
At the heart of the new Golf BlueMotion concept is a 1.6-litre 110 PS TDI from the newly developed EA288 engine series. The four-cylinder 16-valve unit develops its maximum torque of 250 Nm from just 1,500 rpm up to 2,750 rpm.
Various measures such as reduced internal friction, an innovative thermal management system with shortened warm-up phase, exhaust gas recirculation, cylinder pressure sensor, two-stage oil pump, switchable electric water pump and water-cooled intercooler right in the intake manifold result in successfully reducing fuel consumption and emissions. To reduce emissions values further, Volkswagen has also implemented an oxidation catalytic converter, a diesel particulate filter and a NOx storage catalytic converter
#956
Suzuka Master
yupp, well vw is saying an 18% inc in fuel consumption so thats what they just figure.
haha yea dunno why people get a prius, although we wont get this car here And I think those cars are more popular in europe than the prius.
haha yea dunno why people get a prius, although we wont get this car here And I think those cars are more popular in europe than the prius.
#957
#958
Suzuka Master
ohh thats just my guess haha, havent ready any official report or anything.
#959
I'd be pissed off if we didn't. I've always been a fan of VW's TDI lineup and it's stupid to think that we wouldn't get one that gets 80+ mpg with a 6-speed manual.
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I'm guessing the 88.3 mpg is for the highway number? Toyota claims that the Yaris hybrid gets up to 89 mpg (probably city rating, as the city rating in the Prius is higher than the highway rating according to EPA).