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Old 01-29-2021, 05:22 PM
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How long did it take you until gave up on your phone with a physical keyboard and switched to a phone with a full screen?

Remember that debate and how many people clinged to their blackberry? A vehicle with hardware buttons is harder to upgrade just as Steve Jobs described in 2007, if you got a great idea for your phone you can't go back and add a button, it's already shipped.

Skip to 5:07 to let Steve Jobs describe Tesla's logic to you
This is such a terrible comparison people look at their phone screens while using them. That's kind of a problem when you're driving.

Tesla's voice commands are nice, once you get used to them. But there is a learning curve and it is nowhere near as intuitive as physical buttons. The fact that the refreshed Model S still has a display in the typical gauge cluster location just shows that the other models omission thereof is mostly a cost-cutting "feature"
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So, Audi is going with a near "digital" interior too...all buttons are gone. So, from the temperature knob all the way to the Audi-MMI interface...all are touchscreens.

The way it flows together aesthetically with the interior is just...artful...for me. Tesla, while it is neat and I can see people liking it, feels like a "lazy" giant@$$ tablet screen slapped in and called done. There is no flow or ebb with the interior at all.

And per @Costco , I think this is not the same as comparing smartphone devices.
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This is such a terrible comparison people look at their phone screens while using them. That's kind of a problem when you're driving.

Tesla's voice commands are nice, once you get used to them. But there is a learning curve and it is nowhere near as intuitive as physical buttons. The fact that the refreshed Model S still has a display in the typical gauge cluster location just shows that the other models omission thereof is mostly a cost-cutting "feature"
it’s almost like they’re planning for a world where the car drives you

I still look at the buttons on my car before pressing them, except for the steering wheel buttons
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This explains the 320lb weight difference between the old vs new S

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Damn I totally forgot that I made a post about this back in November. This AMD leaker was right again





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Tesla announced its refreshed 2021 Model S electric vehicle teasing that it had 10 TFLOPs of compute performance, but now we know it is a custom AMD RDNA 2-based Navi 23 GPU and its GPU block diagram. Check it out:




The AMD Navi 23 GPU should be used inside of the 2021 Tesla Model S for its entertainment and navigation systems, with GDDR6 memory (Samsung 16Gb chips) with 8GB in total. The Navi 23 GPU has 10 TFLOPs of performance, which is virtually identical to that of the Sony PlayStation 5 console and its semi-custom AMD chip.

Navi 23 has 32 Compute Units (2048 Stream Processors) with GPU clocks of at least 2.44GHz, while the 8GB of GDDR6 finds itself on a 128-bit memory bus -- making the memory bus of Tesla's new 2021 infotainment system similar to Microsoft's slower Xbox Series S console.

Tesla will be capable of outputting to dual DisplayPort connectors alongside an HDMI 1.4 output -- with it connecting into a PCIe 4.0 x8 slot, with 2021 Model S vehicles having the Navi 23 power the on-board monitors and board-to-board (B2B) connector.

Shout out to VideoCardz for this super-informative, and very funny graph comparing the Tesla Arcade and Navi 23 GPU against the next-gen consoles.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/77606...del/index.html

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Impressive stats, but the Plaid+ is not on the streets yet, so the comparison is not a valid one (for the next 9 months may be).
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Tesla's surprise reveal of a yoke-shaped steering wheel for the updated Model S and Model X caught the EV world a little off guard, even if the changes inside the cabin were otherwise evolutionary. The vertical center screen was replaced with a horizontal one, and a new and smaller central screen was added for the benefit of rear-seat passengers in the Model S, with Tesla opting not to introduce individual screens into the seat backs for rear-seat passengers. The sedan also received some minor exterior upgrades below the belt line, changes that might not be noticeable unless you already own one.
The main event, however, was the option of a yoke-style steering. The wheel alternative certainly looks futuristic and may well be legal in the U.S., absent a contrary NHTSA rule, but it may not be all that practical, especially for those who have not driven a car with this setup before (we imagine that's the vast majority of drivers).

It's at this point some will be tempted to point out that plenty of race cars employ steering systems of this type, and that is true—but it ignores the actual steering ratios used in, say, Formula 1 and the amount of rotation that its drivers actually need in a typical race. Race drivers don't do much parallel parking or need to turn through regular low-speed intersections, at least not while in a race car—that's where the different ratios start to matter.

If you're familiar with F1 and have watched enough in-cockpit video feeds, you'll note that the amount of steering input required in F1 cars is actually very limited compared to a road car that you buy from a dealership. Even going around hairpins, F1 drivers typically need to turn the wheel about one third of a full rotation, permitting the drivers to keep their hands on their original positions on the handles. Regripping just isn't an option. What you certainly don't see in F1 cars are drivers making one or two complete rotations of the wheel, even when the car is spinning out of control. That's because the steering just isn't geared for that.

https://youtu.be/PcL7I1NSQDs

In the video above, observe that in order to make a right turn at a pit-lane speed, Daniel Ricciardo only needs to turn the steering wheel about 140 degrees, and does so without regripping.

Compare that to what's needed in a car that you currently own and drive to work. In order to make a right or left in traffic you need to make about one complete rotation of the steering wheel. Add a U-turn at slow speed, and you'll be looking at about one and a half rotations. Or do a three-point-turn in place, rotating the wheel from lock to lock, and you'll find that it's about two and a half to three complete rotations.

Unless Tesla has drastically altered the steering ratio, drivers will still need to spin the yoke to complete such normal driving tasks. Grabbable surfaces will be at a premium, because most drivers will instinctively reach for the top of the steering wheel to shuffle-steer... of which there is none. Even the flat bottom won't help much because it's still not where they'll expect it to be.

Of course, there is one group who might find this steering setup very natural, having been exposed only to yoke-style steering: young, as-yet-unlicensed folks raised on racing games. It's also a demographic largely unlikely to be getting their first cars in the form of an all-new Tesla Model S. And even for those who do, they'll have to adjust to having to spin the yoke two and a half times from lock to lock.
Here’s Why Tesla’s Yoke-Style Steering May Not Be the Best Idea Ever (autoweek.com)
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Old 02-10-2021, 08:24 PM
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I'm thinking that Tesla might create variable ratios for the steering precisely for this issue. Lets say it feels like a normal steering for about 0-70 degrees and may be the steering gets more and more aggressive as you near the 90 degrees mark. Not sure if it's legal though. But would like to hear some opinions about that.
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Originally Posted by Comfy
I'm thinking that Tesla might create variable ratios for the steering precisely for this issue. Lets say it feels like a normal steering for about 0-70 degrees and may be the steering gets more and more aggressive as you near the 90 degrees mark. Not sure if it's legal though. But would like to hear some opinions about that.
Might create? Isn't this thing going on the market any day now? I feel like if this were to happen, we'd already know about it.

Either way I think making a rack that is THAT variable is going to be pretty unnerving and hard to control for people. This yoke thing is yet another solution looking for a problem.
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Understanding the Tesla Model S Performance Motor

Professor Kelly's YouTube video's are awesome, great showing the internals and operation of drivetrains (mostly transmissions).

The Tesla's motors bearings are very exotic for a production vehicle.


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👀 that steering wheel
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
Professor Kelly's YouTube video's are awesome, great showing the internals and operation of drivetrains (mostly transmissions).

The Tesla's motors bearings are very exotic for a production vehicle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQV3...nnel=WeberAuto
I'd be interested to see that model motor compared to a new Plaid motor, I know they've made internal improvements a few times over the years to the S motors
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I'm guessing that the yoke is only an option for the Plaid version.
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Originally Posted by Comfy
I'm guessing that the yoke is only an option for the Plaid version.
I'm guessing it doesn't happen at all because it doesn't meet DOT guidelines.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
I'm guessing it doesn't happen at all because it doesn't meet DOT guidelines.
That was what i thought when i first saw the steering wheel.... imagine you are turning on the tight mountain road and all of a sudden you realize you have nothing in your hand
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Autopilot should override & save you, right? [/redtext]
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
I'd be interested to see that model motor compared to a new Plaid motor, I know they've made internal improvements a few times over the years to the S motors

A bit long but did you watch the whole video?
Pretty amazing the electric motor uses a electromagnet rotor and not permanent magnet but the non oil dry lubricant carbide ball bearings are pretty exotic.
Also all the various fluids for cooling and lubrication. The large "can" for the IGBT FET's for power management with the coolant water plate as well.
I've read there are many electric motor failures for Model S's.
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Seats 5 and has a PS5 level gaming PC

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James May bought a Model S 100D two years ago, and since then, the British presenter and journalist has enjoyed it a lot. But as it’s always the case with Tesla ownership, the electric sedan can be infuriating at times.

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Last year, the one and only Captain Slow listed a few things he dislikes about the Model S 100D, starting with the dodgy pop-out door handles. Other points of criticism include the car turning itself off, blaring trunk, weird font for the Model S badging on the trunk lid, and clonking rear suspension. Be that as it may, James loves the electric sedan, and he still owns it.

The latest niggle Captain Slow experienced with the Model S 100D is the 12-volt battery, which can go flat if the vehicle is left to charge for an extended period and the lithium-ion battery is fully charged. The 12-volt battery goes flat because it runs the car’s essential systems even while parked in the garage, and that presents a headache-inducing problem.

As fate would have it, James couldn’t open any of the doors, trunk, or frunk because the depleted battery powers them all. Opening the frunk proved to be a hassle in its own right because Captain Slow had to pull two emergency releases that are integrated into the front wheel arches.

Once the frunk is open, you have to remove not one, not two, but five (!!!) plastic panels to access the 12-volt battery. The final panel features very brittle clips, of which one has inevitably snapped even though James knows his way around a car. Captain Slow took an hour to dismantle the damn thing to connect the battery to a charger.

“And frankly, it’s pi**ed me off,” said James.

Considering that EVs are simpler than ICEs in every single way—which should translate into fewer ownership problems—I can’t blame poor the guy.
Tesla Model S 12-Volt Battery Goes Flat, and James May Isn't Happy About It - autoevolution
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The new model S have a lithium ion 12v battery instead of lead acid.
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Sure but man, is the Porsche just so hot.
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The best part about when your Tesla battery dies is that it throws every error in the book.

Forum post: "Hey guys, I have these 25 issues out of nowhere"

Answer: "It's the 12v"
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Originally Posted by kurtatx
The best part about when your Tesla battery dies is that it throws every error in the book.

Forum post: "Hey guys, I have these 25 issues out of nowhere"

Answer: "It's the 12v"
So, the battery is the Paypal to the car. All your issues for a Tesla are resolved via the battery...
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I give them props for innovation but that steering wheel is ugly AF and also dont see how it would function better than a round or flat bottom steering wheel in real life situations.

I thought they got rid of it??

It also looks like a cartoon character.....
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I give them props for innovation but that steering wheel is ugly AF and also dont see how it would function better than a round or flat bottom steering wheel in real life situations.

I thought they got rid of it??

It also looks like a cartoon character.....
This.

It'll also be pretty alarming when you try and turn the wheel only to grab nothing but air.
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That giant tablet-iPad is still off for me. Not a fan.
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It's faster than a $3.3 million Bugatti Chiron Sport, seats 7, and has a PS5 level gaming console, and costs 27 times less than it

Tesla Model S Plaid sets new record for fastest 1/4 mile time of any production car


Tesla has set a new official record for the fastest quarter-mile time of any production car in their new Model S Plaid.

The time was set on May 11, 2021 at the Autoclub Famoso Raceway in Bakersfield, about four hours south of Tesla’s Fremont factory in California. According to a source who was at the event, the Midnight Silver Model S Plaid set an official time of 9.23 seconds with a trap speed of 152.16mph (244.88km/h).

That handily beats the previous record of 9.4 seconds held by the Bugatti Chiron Sport. At a base price of $3,260,000 USD ($3,946,000 CAD), the supercar is considerably more expensive than the Model S Plaid which starts at $119,990 USD ($159,900 CAD).

The time set by the four door electric sedan is also nearly a full half-second quicker than the second fastest car on the list, the Porsche 918 Spyder.

The record lines up almost exactly with Tesla’s targeted time and speed that has been on the website since the variant was announced earlier this year.

The Plaid Model S quarter-mile time is also quicker than the time Lucid set in their Air tri-motor prototype last year. There is one important difference – Lucid’s time of 9.245 seconds was achieved in a completely stripped down version of the Air, whereas the Model S Plaid had a full interior.

To protect the identity of our source, we are unable to share any footage of the run, but Drive Tesla has seen evidence of it.

There is good news though – we should all be seeing it soon. Our source also told us that it wasn’t just Tesla employees at the track, but late-night comedian and car enthusiast Jay Leno was also in attendance to film the testing session for his show, Jay Leno’s Garage.

Not only was Leno watching, he also got behind the wheel. According to our source he was able to lay down a time of 9.50 seconds, with the added weight of two passengers in the car during his run.

Even though his impressive car collection, worth an estimated $150M USD ($191M CAD), consists mainly of gas powered vehicles, Leno has become a big fan of Tesla and electric vehicles (EVs). He has interviewed Elon Musk on multiple occasions, most recently when he had the opportunity to drive the Cybertruck.

It is still unknown when the first deliveries of the Model S Plaid will begin. Production issues have delayed even the Long Range variant which is expected to ship first. This testing hopefully means it won’t be too long until we see the Model S Plaid in the hands of some lucky new owners.
Oh and this isn't even the top of the line model

ICE cars are fucked....

Also, Midnight Silver is coming back 👀
That's become a fan favorite color over the years
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So??
if i could afford one i would still choose Bugatti Chiron Sport over a Model S and i think majority of the people would do the same.
Come on.. A Model S and a Bugatti Chiron? I mean seriously??? those 2 seats inside the Chiron probably cost more than a Model S.
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Also, Midnight Silver is coming back 👀
That's become a fan favorite color over the years

id be more excited if Silver Metallic came back for the model 3.
I’ve seen a handful of them around SF. Looks nice.

that midnight silver charcoal color is played out IMO.
I almost got my 3G TL in that color back in 2007 when that color was HUGELY popular. I’m so glad I didn’t.
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
It's faster than a $3.3 million Bugatti Chiron Sport, seats 7, and has a PS5 level gaming console, and costs 27 times less than it

[size=13px]Oh and this isn't even the top of the line model[/size]

ICE cars are fucked....

Also, Midnight Silver is coming back 👀
That's become a fan favorite color over the years
What you don't understand is that it's not about the numbers. There's a LOT more to a Bugatti than the performance lol. Any person with 3.5M to spend on a car is absolutely not cross shopping a Bugatti with a Model S. Thinking that's true is asinine.

A Ferrari 458 is the same 0-60 as a Model 3. If I could afford a Ferrari 458, I'd buy one over a Model 3. A Ferrari FF is slower to 60 than a Model 3. If I could afford a Ferrari FF, I'd buy it over a Model 3.

Lastly, the Model S cannot do 265mph.

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So??
if i could afford one i would still choose Bugatti Chiron Sport over a Model S and i think majority of the people would do the same.
Come on.. A Model S and a Bugatti Chiron? I mean seriously??? those 2 seats inside the Chiron probably cost more than a Model S.
This.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1
What you don't understand is that it's not about the numbers. There's a LOT more to a Bugatti than the performance lol. Any person with 3.5M to spend on a car is absolutely not cross shopping a Bugatti with a Model S. Thinking that's true is asinine.

A Ferrari 458 is the same 0-60 as a Model 3. If I could afford a Ferrari 458, I'd buy one over a Model 3. A Ferrari FF is slower to 60 than a Model 3. If I could afford a Ferrari FF, I'd buy it over a Model 3.

Lastly, the Model S cannot do 265mph.



This.
Wait till Stunna and Comfy get some upgraded tires... instead of 0-60, you will have to measure the Model S in 0 to 265mph cuz Model S's 0-60 with upgraded tires will not even register on the draggy. It will show as -0.0 sec. It is too fast for computer ..... if they ever get 1.

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Originally Posted by Mizouse
id be more excited if Silver Metallic came back for the model 3.
I’ve seen a handful of them around SF. Looks nice.

that midnight silver charcoal color is played out IMO.
I almost got my 3G TL in that color back in 2007 when that color was HUGELY popular. I’m so glad I didn’t.
you’re correct I was confused, I was thinking of silver metallic not midnight metallic

sadly that’s not returning
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LMAO the model S posts to fastest quarter-mile of a production vehicle ever and you guys still try to complain and try to find someway to say that it’s still slow and it’s still never good enough because it’s a Tesla.

if it went 265 miles an hour you’d find something else to complain about and say it wasn’t good enough for you

you can never be impressed that Tesla made a quicker vehicle the cost 27 times less than the second quickest vehicle

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If I did a find and replace of that news article and replaced "Tesla Model S" with "Porsche Taycan Turbo S" y'all know your response would be totally different. You'd be drooling, omg that's so awesome, I want one

But because it's Tesla y'all say LOL that shit is still slow in this one metric

And you wonder why I have sam on Ignore
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
LMAO the model S posts to fastest quarter-mile of a production vehicle ever and you guys still try to complain and try to find someway to say that it’s still slow and it’s still never good enough because it’s a Tesla.

if it went 265 miles an hour you’d find something else to complain about and say it wasn’t good enough for you

you can never be impressed that Tesla made a quicker vehicle the cost 27 times less than the second quickest vehicle
You are the one who brought a Bugatti into the conversation.

So speed is the #1 criteria to judge a car now?
Then i can tell you that a $2000 Geo Metro can be made faster than a $57,000 BMW.(27 times more). But at the end of the day it is still a $2000 Geo Metro no matter how fast it is.


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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
If I did a find and replace of that news article and replaced "Tesla Model S" with "Porsche Taycan Turbo S" y'all know your response would be totally different. You'd be drooling, omg that's so awesome, I want one

But because it's Tesla y'all say LOL that shit is still slow in this one metric

And you wonder why I have sam on Ignore
and yet Sam just bought a Tesla... the irony?


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