Tesla: Model S News
09-05-2020, 01:18 AM
#441
Sanest Florida Man
09-22-2020, 04:04 PM
#442
Sanest Florida Man
09-22-2020, 04:18 PM
#443
Team Owner
Everywhere?
Open up google map and see Tesla's supercharging stations near you and let me know if you think that is "everywhere"
Open up google map and see Tesla's supercharging stations near you and let me know if you think that is "everywhere"
Supercharging Everywhere
For years, traditional automakers didn't want to get into the charging business. Tesla went the other direction, building out its own Supercharging network. The team that built the vehicle's charger actually built the first Supercharger station. With that came the trip planner that was initially built by a vehicle engineer. Combined, it has given the automaker a leg up over EVs from other companies because of the system's ease of use and the number of locations. In the United States alone, there are more than 1000 of the world's approximately 1900 stations.
09-22-2020, 04:42 PM
#444
Sanest Florida Man
During a Car and Driverreal-world range drive with a Model S Long Range Plus supplied by Tesla, we drove at 65 mph with the climate control set at 72 degrees and adaptive cruise control on. Our range was 422.7 miles, using 99.3 kWh of the 102.5-kWh battery pack. Tesla extrapolated the data to predict that the vehicle would have reached 430 miles of range before the vehicle had shut down and had to be towed away on a flatbed. That's an impressive feat for a route that went from Tesla’s Fremont factory down to Soledad, California, and back, twice.
09-22-2020, 05:31 PM
#445
Team Owner
Try that on I-5 or I-10 or Go and from Vegas on Friday night or Sunday afternoon... you will be lucky if you get 300...
In a perfect world, or road that no one uses, or 4am in the morning, i could get close to 500 miles out of a single tank..
But in the real world, i get about 260 miles from a full tank.
In a perfect world, or road that no one uses, or 4am in the morning, i could get close to 500 miles out of a single tank..
But in the real world, i get about 260 miles from a full tank.
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09-22-2020, 05:42 PM
#446
Sanest Florida Man
Model S Plaid
0-60 under 2 Secs
1/4mi under 9sec
Laguna Seca lap 1:30.3
Range 520mi
Available late 2021
Lucid
Taycan
0-60 under 2 Secs
1/4mi under 9sec
Laguna Seca lap 1:30.3
Range 520mi
Available late 2021
Lucid Taycan
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09-22-2020, 05:59 PM
#447
Team Owner
We will see how it does by 2021... Until then Taycan TurbolesS is still the king.
09-22-2020, 06:43 PM
#448
Sanest Florida Man
$140k
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09-22-2020, 07:08 PM
#449
Whats up with RDX owners?
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1:30.3 around Laguna Seca. Not the fastest production car, but it's faster than a McLaren P1, which is impressive.
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00TL-P3.2 (09-23-2020)
09-22-2020, 07:28 PM
#450
Sanest Florida Man
And it costs 10x less and seats 5
09-22-2020, 08:05 PM
#451
Ex-OEM King
P1 is 7 years old and is only going up in value. Not really a great value for money comparison lol.
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09-22-2020, 09:12 PM
#452
One of my friends already ordered the Plaid S, apparently using the money gained by TSLA. He’s planning to build a net zero energy house using Tesla roof, power walls, and geothermal heating. Wow, life’s good for some.
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#1 STUNNA (09-22-2020)
09-23-2020, 02:24 AM
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09-23-2020, 09:58 AM
#454
Sanest Florida Man
That's the current prototype, Elon thinks they can drop another 3 sec of the time with the final model which would make it the fastest production vehicle
09-23-2020, 10:36 AM
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09-23-2020, 11:12 AM
#456
Moderator
P1 values are far from decreasing I'm sure.
An electric sedan is not going to make much of a dent in the hypercar market. Even the Tesla Roadster isn't likely to do anything to the values of the limited production hypercars.
09-23-2020, 11:25 AM
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09-23-2020, 12:20 PM
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09-23-2020, 12:27 PM
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when the time comes, what would be faster than Plaid? 
09-23-2020, 12:32 PM
#460
Team Owner
um... P1 or Model S? hard decision...
Unless the Model S can travel back in time with upgraded tires...
Seriously it can do 0-60 in negative 2 secs, P1 owners wont care... they might have a Tesla as a daily beater but guess which one will be inside the garage?
Unless the Model S can travel back in time with upgraded tires...
Seriously it can do 0-60 in negative 2 secs, P1 owners wont care... they might have a Tesla as a daily beater but guess which one will be inside the garage?
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09-23-2020, 12:35 PM
#461
Sanest Florida Man
09-23-2020, 12:45 PM
#462
Team Owner
What is the point of that if it can only do.... 1 lap? 2 laps? 3 laps?
Tesla: Hey let's go to the track, but i can only do a few laps
Friends: Why>
Tesla: Because i will be out of juice dummie... i am EV!
Friends: Can you just charge after?
Tesla: Yes, but dont think there is supercharger... will you guys wait for 1 hour for me, so i can run 1 more lap?
Friends: Whatever.
Tesla: By the way, you guys probably have to wait for me for a few more hours at the end, because i need to charge to have enough range to drive home. I hope there wont be other Tesla's there, or we will have to fight for the Chargers.
Friends: forget it. Dont come.
Tesla: Hey let's go to the track, but i can only do a few laps
Friends: Why>
Tesla: Because i will be out of juice dummie... i am EV!
Friends: Can you just charge after?
Tesla: Yes, but dont think there is supercharger... will you guys wait for 1 hour for me, so i can run 1 more lap?
Friends: Whatever.
Tesla: By the way, you guys probably have to wait for me for a few more hours at the end, because i need to charge to have enough range to drive home. I hope there wont be other Tesla's there, or we will have to fight for the Chargers.
Friends: forget it. Dont come.
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09-23-2020, 01:39 PM
#463
Whats up with RDX owners?
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You can do a 30 minute session in the Model 3 before you have to stop (can't find anything on the S, but I'm assuming it's not a whole lot different). The issue isn't SoC, but overheating (I'm hoping they addressed this on the Plaid).
Lets say you have an M3 that you take to the track - you're looking at 4-8 mpg while out there. The M3 has a 16 gallon tank, so you're getting 60-120 miles out of that tank. At Laguna Seca (2.2miles long), that means you'll be able to run 57 laps on a full tank of fuel. If you're able to run around the 1 min 45 sec mark per lap, that's three 30 minute sessions before running out of fuel. This does not take into account traveling to or from the track. So on track range really isn't a whole lot different between this and other cars.
I do get your underlying point though - electric cars are not able to fully replace an ICE car at this point in the development cycle, but they've come very far in the last 10 years.
Lets say you have an M3 that you take to the track - you're looking at 4-8 mpg while out there. The M3 has a 16 gallon tank, so you're getting 60-120 miles out of that tank. At Laguna Seca (2.2miles long), that means you'll be able to run 57 laps on a full tank of fuel. If you're able to run around the 1 min 45 sec mark per lap, that's three 30 minute sessions before running out of fuel. This does not take into account traveling to or from the track. So on track range really isn't a whole lot different between this and other cars.
I do get your underlying point though - electric cars are not able to fully replace an ICE car at this point in the development cycle, but they've come very far in the last 10 years.
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09-23-2020, 01:40 PM
#464
Ex-OEM King
A Model S is the new Camry.
09-23-2020, 01:41 PM
#465
Ex-OEM King
You can do a 30 minute session in the Model 3 before you have to stop (can't find anything on the S, but I'm assuming it's not a whole lot different). The issue isn't SoC, but overheating (I'm hoping they addressed this on the Plaid).
Lets say you have an M3 that you take to the track - you're looking at 4-8 mpg while out there. The M3 has a 16 gallon tank, so you're getting 60-120 miles out of that tank. At Laguna Seca (2.2miles long), that means you'll be able to run 57 laps on a full tank of fuel. If you're able to run around the 1 min 45 sec mark per lap, that's three 30 minute sessions before running out of fuel. This does not take into account traveling to or from the track. So on track range really isn't a whole lot different between this and other cars.
I do get your underlying point though - electric cars are not able to fully replace an ICE car at this point in the development cycle, but they've come very far in the last 10 years.
Lets say you have an M3 that you take to the track - you're looking at 4-8 mpg while out there. The M3 has a 16 gallon tank, so you're getting 60-120 miles out of that tank. At Laguna Seca (2.2miles long), that means you'll be able to run 57 laps on a full tank of fuel. If you're able to run around the 1 min 45 sec mark per lap, that's three 30 minute sessions before running out of fuel. This does not take into account traveling to or from the track. So on track range really isn't a whole lot different between this and other cars.
I do get your underlying point though - electric cars are not able to fully replace an ICE car at this point in the development cycle, but they've come very far in the last 10 years.
09-23-2020, 01:41 PM
#466
Whats up with RDX owners?
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A six figure Camry, I guess
09-23-2020, 01:43 PM
#467
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That's assuming you're charging from 0 to 100. It's been discussed before, but the time it takes to go from 0 to 50% is much quicker than 50 to 100, or even 80 to 100. That's about 20 minutes.
It's still not at the level of a simple refuel, and I get that.
It's still not at the level of a simple refuel, and I get that.
09-23-2020, 01:53 PM
#468
Team Owner
You can do a 30 minute session in the Model 3 before you have to stop (can't find anything on the S, but I'm assuming it's not a whole lot different). The issue isn't SoC, but overheating (I'm hoping they addressed this on the Plaid).
Lets say you have an M3 that you take to the track - you're looking at 4-8 mpg while out there. The M3 has a 16 gallon tank, so you're getting 60-120 miles out of that tank. At Laguna Seca (2.2miles long), that means you'll be able to run 57 laps on a full tank of fuel. If you're able to run around the 1 min 45 sec mark per lap, that's three 30 minute sessions before running out of fuel. This does not take into account traveling to or from the track. So on track range really isn't a whole lot different between this and other cars.
I do get your underlying point though - electric cars are not able to fully replace an ICE car at this point in the development cycle, but they've come very far in the last 10 years.
Lets say you have an M3 that you take to the track - you're looking at 4-8 mpg while out there. The M3 has a 16 gallon tank, so you're getting 60-120 miles out of that tank. At Laguna Seca (2.2miles long), that means you'll be able to run 57 laps on a full tank of fuel. If you're able to run around the 1 min 45 sec mark per lap, that's three 30 minute sessions before running out of fuel. This does not take into account traveling to or from the track. So on track range really isn't a whole lot different between this and other cars.
I do get your underlying point though - electric cars are not able to fully replace an ICE car at this point in the development cycle, but they've come very far in the last 10 years.
You go to the track to have fun, not to wait around for it to charge.
That is why it is almost pointless to say Model S can run on the track when it is not practical to do so.
09-23-2020, 01:55 PM
#469
Team Owner
To people who have P1... A Tesla is probably less than a Camry... All relative...
at 1/10 of the value.... think what you drive right now and compare it to a brand new car that cost 1/10 of it....
at 1/10 of the value.... think what you drive right now and compare it to a brand new car that cost 1/10 of it....
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09-23-2020, 02:14 PM
#470
Ex-OEM King
Fine.
New E Class?
That's fair. You can charge to a lower SoC to make the drive home.
New E Class?
09-23-2020, 02:16 PM
#471
Whats up with RDX owners?
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09-23-2020, 03:13 PM
#472
2016 Acura TLX
They really missed out the opportunity to have plaid seats lol.
09-30-2020, 05:17 PM
#473
I just saw the video...60-100 is 2.5s. I've can't even imagine what the 0-60 time would be with a set of drag radials on a prepped surface.
10-01-2020, 12:57 AM
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What is the point of that if it can only do.... 1 lap? 2 laps? 3 laps?
Tesla: Hey let's go to the track, but i can only do a few laps
Friends: Why>
Tesla: Because i will be out of juice dummie... i am EV!
Friends: Can you just charge after?
Tesla: Yes, but dont think there is supercharger... will you guys wait for 1 hour for me, so i can run 1 more lap?
Friends: Whatever.
Tesla: By the way, you guys probably have to wait for me for a few more hours at the end, because i need to charge to have enough range to drive home. I hope there wont be other Tesla's there, or we will have to fight for the Chargers.
Friends: forget it. Dont come.
Tesla: Hey let's go to the track, but i can only do a few laps
Friends: Why>
Tesla: Because i will be out of juice dummie... i am EV!
Friends: Can you just charge after?
Tesla: Yes, but dont think there is supercharger... will you guys wait for 1 hour for me, so i can run 1 more lap?
Friends: Whatever.
Tesla: By the way, you guys probably have to wait for me for a few more hours at the end, because i need to charge to have enough range to drive home. I hope there wont be other Tesla's there, or we will have to fight for the Chargers.
Friends: forget it. Dont come.
Here's a nice race of a Model S P90D vs Nissan Leaf. It's interesting that the Model S after the first lap, was never able to pulled any further ahead....in fact, the leaf passed it on the main straight at around 23:30 in the video (the Leaf was all over the back of the tesla prior to that anyway).
10-01-2020, 06:16 PM
#475
Team Owner
U know it is so "engaging" when driver puts his right arm on the door to relax..
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10-05-2020, 10:32 AM
#476
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You’re likely to have heard how many problems the Model Y has, the newest nameplate in the lineup. But on this occasion, we’ll talk about multiple wishbone failures for the Model S, the range-topping sedan in the automaker’s range.
“A horror experience on the German Autobahn,” is how SwissTeslaDriver begins his account. On his way from Stuttgart to Zurich, the car “suddenly pops very loudly while braking” from 200 km/h (124 mph). In addition to clouds of smoke in the rearview mirror, the owner also notices that the Model S “pulls to the right” before “the steering locks” because one of the wishbones gave up the ghost. Make no mistake about it, that’s the very definition of a scary situation, but there’s something even scarier that needs to be highlighted.
“When I asked Tesla over the phone whether this was normal,” the Zurich-based dealership told the 90D owner that “it could be normal wear and tear.” For a vehicle with 80,000 kilometers (49,710 miles) on the odometer – most of them covered on perfect German and Swiss roads – that’s a completely unacceptable answer.
Similarly unacceptable, Tesla refused to cover the damages under warranty because it had expired in April 2020. If you’re curious how much the Zurich dealer is asking for repairs, make that 7,569 francs or $8,225 at the current exchange rates.
SwissTeslaDriver isn’t alone, though. On the same thread of tff-forum.de, Model S 60D owner Amuthep reports that his wishbone “also broke this week” with 86,000 kilometers on the clock. “I hit the left in Worms on 16.09.2020 while reversing on a normal road and it sounded metallic as if something had cracked,” he reports.
A day later during a heavy braking test, “a nasty loud thump” sealed the deal and the car had to be towed to the nearest dealership for repairs. The thread includes one more account from Model S 70D owner Klaus Grambichler who explains that his American-made electric sedan had broken one of the lower control arms at low speed.
“A horror experience on the German Autobahn,” is how SwissTeslaDriver begins his account. On his way from Stuttgart to Zurich, the car “suddenly pops very loudly while braking” from 200 km/h (124 mph). In addition to clouds of smoke in the rearview mirror, the owner also notices that the Model S “pulls to the right” before “the steering locks” because one of the wishbones gave up the ghost. Make no mistake about it, that’s the very definition of a scary situation, but there’s something even scarier that needs to be highlighted.
“When I asked Tesla over the phone whether this was normal,” the Zurich-based dealership told the 90D owner that “it could be normal wear and tear.” For a vehicle with 80,000 kilometers (49,710 miles) on the odometer – most of them covered on perfect German and Swiss roads – that’s a completely unacceptable answer.
Similarly unacceptable, Tesla refused to cover the damages under warranty because it had expired in April 2020. If you’re curious how much the Zurich dealer is asking for repairs, make that 7,569 francs or $8,225 at the current exchange rates.
SwissTeslaDriver isn’t alone, though. On the same thread of tff-forum.de, Model S 60D owner Amuthep reports that his wishbone “also broke this week” with 86,000 kilometers on the clock. “I hit the left in Worms on 16.09.2020 while reversing on a normal road and it sounded metallic as if something had cracked,” he reports.
A day later during a heavy braking test, “a nasty loud thump” sealed the deal and the car had to be towed to the nearest dealership for repairs. The thread includes one more account from Model S 70D owner Klaus Grambichler who explains that his American-made electric sedan had broken one of the lower control arms at low speed.
10-05-2020, 08:46 PM
#477
Azine Jabroni
I do wonder if an insurance company would sue if someone got in an accident in a situation like this. Ultimately, Tesla is probably at fault here.
10-06-2020, 08:23 AM
#478
Ex-OEM King
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE PIECE CASTING AND SUPER BOTTLE?!?!?!?!
Both are examples of exceptional engineering, pls ignore roofs flying off and suspension collapsing issues.
Both are examples of exceptional engineering, pls ignore roofs flying off and suspension collapsing issues.
10-06-2020, 12:35 PM
#479
Team Owner
roof flying off and suspension collapsing is because those parts cannot handle the superior acceleration it has.
That is just part of the game... you gotta pay to play
That is just part of the game... you gotta pay to play
10-06-2020, 12:42 PM
#480
Why shouldn’t I agree with all of you at this point. Hope it pushes the stock price of TSLA down at least so that I can buy some more. 
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