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Actually I would...depends on the program. My coworkers and my Boss all leased theirs.
The EV tech is advancing really fast that they dont wanna spend $60k... in my boss's case $120k on a Tesla that would be outdated in 3-4 years. The competition will force many innovations in the coming years.
But some people are looking at Tesla at its resale value since the leasing program sucks balls and but its resale value is good. So financially it makes more sense to buy.
Yeah.. looking at EVs at this point in time, leases DEFINITELY make more sense as the technology is SO NEW and in 3 years, there's so much that will change
foh life? yah when you get into a car accident because of FSD or from grabbing air, then that Yoke will permanently engraved into your chest or forehead?
foh life? yah when you get into a car accident because of FSD or from grabbing air, then that Yoke will permanently engraved into your chest or forehead?
With a yoke steering, even accidents are painfree and an experience. Don't hate, you Hatter.
i have $10 on NHTSA will find the Yoke to be illegal.
Remember this is a agency that makes BMW to put a yellow FDA sticker in the laser headlight because it is "medical device" and not allowing the way more advanced adaptive beam technology that has been around in EU for years to be used in the US.
and they could approve a steering wheel with obvious design flaws to be used in public? It wont be long before Model S owners starting suing Tesla because they could literally blame everything on the steering wheel later.
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i have $10 on NHTSA will find the Yoke to be illegal.
Remember this is a agency that makes BMW to put a yellow FDA sticker in the laser headlight because it is "medical device" and not allowing the way more advanced adaptive beam technology that has been around in EU for years to be used in the US.
and they could approve a steering wheel with obvious design flaws to be used in public? It wont be long before Model S owners starting suing Tesla because they could literally blame everything on the steering wheel later.
Don't forget about rocket thrusters, autonomous driving, and the blatantly illegal design of the cybertruck.
Don't worry though, Lord Elon has it all under control.
But, you'll be in heaven with 34.50 Tesla virgins.
And you'll see the Tesla sign as you pass away...showing you your entry into the gardens and forever eternal paradise...
Again, don't hate.
Your opinions are worthless because you have never driven 1. Lets get back to Taycan.
Actually you never drove 1 either, so your opinions on Taycan are worthless too.
Your opinions are worthless because you have never driven 1. Lets get back to Taycan.
Actually you never drove 1 either, so your opinions on Taycan are worthless too.
The Taycan is an 800-volt battery electric vehicle with an auxiliary 12V battery. A loss of charge in the 12V battery may deactivate the entire electrical system and prevent the vehicle from operation. All complaints allege that loss of motive power occurred without warning and error messages about a battery fault displayed during or after the vehicle stalled. Six complaints allege an inability to restart the vehicle once they lose motive power.
Originally Posted by Taycan owner on Reddit
I myself was a victim of this issue with a loss of motor control on a cliffside turn of Highway 1. I expected Porsche to have some growing pains in the EV transition but has done a terrible job of building and delivering stable software in the vehicle for critical drive systems. Every owner I know in person has had critical drive system failures. Its a real black-eye for the brand.
This is what differentiates Tesla from legacy auto makers: Tesla “massive recall” done in 10-15 minutes in the comfort of your home while Porsche owners have to drive to dealerships to get their software issues fixed, not to mention wasting another 90 mins of their time waiting.
If this is the best legacy auto has to offer, they’re so fucked
The 2022 Porsche Taycan and Taycan Cross Turismo arrive with tech upgrades and new, old-school color options to keep the EVs fresh. They'll begin arriving in American dealers near the end of the year.
The 2022 Taycan has an electric powertrain with better thermal management and charging. This includes the Turbo Charging Planner that heats the battery to shorten charge times by allowing for earlier fast charging and doing it at a higher charge level. The company doesn't say how much quicker the Taycan can charge, though. Also, the vehicle can harvest excess heat from electrical components for better battery temperature regulation.
If you're looking for a pop of color, there are the new, optional Paint to Sample and Paint to Sample Plus palettes. Paint to Sample offers 65 colors, including vintage-inspired shades like Moonlight Blue Metallic, Acid Green, Rubystar (pictured above), Riviera Blue and Viola Metallic. Opting for Paint to Sample Plus lets a customer any shade that a person can possibly imagine.
The Taycan now has the option of Remote Park Assist. The system lets the car pull into a parking space or exit out of one without a driver behind the wheel. It can even handle parallel parking. Owners can activate the feature from inside the car, get out, and let the system take control. Or, a person can do it all from a smartphone.
An odd improvement for the EVs is that the infotainment system now supports Android Auto. It's not the wireless version of the tech, so owners need to plug their smartphone into the USB-C port. For a vehicle that can easily cost in the six figures, it was surprising this functionality wasn't already available.
Porsche also updates the Voice Pilot voice assistant to have a better understanding of instructions. Plus, the satellite navigation system makes quicker calculations and has redesigned graphics that make the display easier to understand, according to the company.
Are the older models getting all the new software features of new model or are they still forcing you to spend tens of thousands on a new car if you want a slightly better UI and Android Auto?
No, you spend hours at their dealerships and they will charge you in thousands per hour for these free OTA updates. LOL.
oops, I shouldn’t speak about money. This is a Porsche subforum. Unless you own it you are not supposed to talk about it. .
^ Have you even been to a Porsche dealership? I wonder... I have yet heard software update cost $$....
BTW: OTA updates are not some advance tech now if you havent been to a new BMW or Porsche... i get them ALL THE TIME.
Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were surprising
Jamie L. LaReau Detroit Free PressLast year, Patrick Anderson went electric: He got a Porsche Taycan EV in dark blue.
Anderson, who is CEO of East Lansing-based economic consulting firm Anderson Economic Group, loves the zippy acceleration and "exciting" features the car offers. He also gets satisfaction in knowing that driving an EV benefits the environment, he said.
But Anderson's joy comes with a dark side. "They are a wonderful driving experience. But at the same time, they're an enormous burden in time and in energy in finding chargers and getting them charged," Anderson said. "And you’re not really saving much in terms of charging costs ... you may be paying more.”
There are 4 additional costs to powering EVs beyond electricity: cost of a home charger, commercial charging, the EV tax and "deadhead" miles.
For now, EVs cost more to power than gasoline costs to fuel an internal combustion car that gets reasonable gas mileage.
Charging costs vary more widely than gasoline prices.
There are significant time costs to finding reliable public chargers — even then a charger could take 30 minutes to go from 20% to an 80% charge.
It is the first of a series of reports Anderson Economic Group will release. It started the project — an independent report — more than 6 months ago. Anderson has worked with the auto industry for 20 years and given the industry's transition to EVs, the group decided to do the studies to assess the likelihood consumer will adopt the cars.
General Motors and Ford Motor Co. are banking on such a switch. Both are investing tens of billions of dollars to go all-electric in the next two decades. GM has promised to double its revenues largely on the backs of new EVs.
"Part of the strength of the analysis is we’re showing the real-world costs that EV drivers face," Anderson said. "You typically have to go to a commercial charger and commercial charger rates are two, three or four times that of residential charger rates."
Then, there is the time to drive around to find a commercial charger, time that Anderson dubs "deadhead miles." Even charging at home on a Level 1 or Level 2 charger is time consuming and expensive.
Cost of the residential charger
Cost of commercial electricity
An annual EV tax, which in Michigan ranges from $135 to $235, depending on the vehicle model. This is to make up for not paying a gas tax
Deadhead miles to get to a fast charger
Given all of that, the conclusion is EVs cost more to "fuel" than gasoline cars that get reasonable gas mileage, Anderson said. It all depends on how the car is used and how much commercial charging is involved. A mid-priced internal combustion car that gets 33 miles per gallon would cost $8.58 in overall costs to drive 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon, the study found. But a mid-priced EV, such as Chevrolet Bolt, Nissan Leaf or a Tesla Model 3, would cost $12.95 to drive 100 miles in terms of costs that include recharging the vehicle using mostly a commercial charger.
On a yearly basis, assuming the mid-priced cars traveled 12,000 miles, it would cost $1,030 to drive an internal combustion car and $1,554 to drive an EV.
For luxury cars that get 26 miles per gallon and using premium gas at $3.25 a gallon, the cost to drive an internal combustion car 100 miles is $12.60. The cost to drive a luxury EV, such as a Taycan, Tesla Model S or X or Jaguar I-Pace, is $15.52 to travel 100 miles. That is using mostly commercial chargers.
“That’s apples to apples and includes the extra EV taxes, the commercial charging and the home charging and the allowance of driving to a gas station, which, for most Americans, is very short compared to driving to a commercial charger for an EV owner," Anderson said.
The study differs from some reports that show it's cheaper to drive an EV than a conventional car. For example, a 2018 study from the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute found the average cost to operate an EV in the U.S. was $485 per year compared with a gasoline-powered vehicle at $1,117. Anderson said most studies include only the cost of residential electricity and don't factor in the four other costs that this study does.
Still, he noted there are environmental benefits to EV ownership and costs could come down if there are more reliable commercial charging centers built. Electric cars also require less costly maintenance than gasoline-powered vehicles.
“Our research is consistent with what President Joe Biden and the Detroit 3 have said, which is, a choke point for a number of consumers is the lack of infrastructure," Anderson said. "My own experience with an EV is that the biggest challenge is getting them charged so that it’s something you can use on a daily basis.”
Beyond range anxiety
Charging costs vary much more for EVs than gasoline prices, too, by 100% or more from month-to-month or week-to-week, Anderson said.
"Even if you drive to the most expensive gas station, your varying price won’t be as great as that," he said.
The rates for commercial chargers around Michigan range from 31 cents per kilowatt hour to 66 cents per kilowatt hour. The Michigan resident price is 17 cents per kilowatt hour. “That’s going to be a big surprise to a lot of drivers," Anderson said, adding that many commercial chargers will also require the EV driver to enroll and sometimes pay a $20 fee, but that might be reimbursed with charging.
Also, don't plan on ever having a 100% charge on your EV, he said.
"It’s very difficult to charge it up to 100%," Anderson said. "The chargers slow down and the manufacturers warn you not to do it because there is additional burden on the battery system when you get your vehicle above a 90% charge.”
That means if the vehicle advertises a range of 240 miles on a full charge, a driver in reality will get considerably less on, say, an 80% charge, he said. That means a trip Up North could require a few stops at charging stations that can provide an 80% charge in 30 minutes.
For new EV drivers these costs, time constraints and other considerations are often a surprise, Anderson said.
“Unlike their reliable gas cars that have 300 or 400 miles of range that can be filled up at a number of gas stations in our country, you have to think about what available chargers you have and plan it out," Anderson said. "It’s more than range anxiety, it’s a burden of constantly monitoring the charging status.”
The Anderson report lists about two dozen sources in its research, which relied on consumer experiences and costs for drivers that go beyond government data on fuel economy and electricity prices. Anderson said it did stopwatch measurements of the time required to refuel gasoline cars and EVs, recorded customer experiences on reliability of chargers, charging time and costs. It used consumer reports from actual EV drivers, including those posted on forums for Taycan and Tesla drivers, Reddit and applications serving EV drivers such as PlugShare and ChargePoint.
Yeah, that study is mostly BS anyway. The majority of EV owners are going to charge at home where it's much cheaper. The cost for me to drive 100 miles when charging at home is ~$2.83 which is a lot less than $8.58. Also, I'm not sure where this study took data from but even at my local supercharger, the cost to fill up 100 miles of range in my car is ~$7.50. It's not a lot cheaper but it's certainly not more expensive. Yes it takes some effort to find a place to charge but the nav takes all that into account when planning trips as it is so it's pretty easy to do.
The time to charge on cross country trips or trips up north are enough to keep the gas hog of a truck that I have. Fill up in 5 mins and on the road again for another 400 miles.
06-21-2021 | 03:26 PM
Porsche Taycan: Recall News
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Detroit Free Press
"They are a wonderful driving experience. But at the same time, they're an enormous burden in time and in energy in finding chargers and getting them charged," Anderson said. "And you’re not really saving much in terms of charging costs ... you may be paying more.”
Anderson has worked with the auto industry for 20 years and given the industry's transition to EVs, the group decided to do the studies to assess the likelihood consumer will adopt the cars.
A mid-priced internal combustion car that gets 33 miles per gallon would cost $8.58 in overall costs to drive 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon, the study found. But a mid-priced EV, such as Chevrolet Bolt, Nissan Leaf or a Tesla Model 3, would cost $12.95 to drive 100 miles in terms of costs that include recharging the vehicle using mostly a commercial charger.
“That’s going to be a big surprise to a lot of drivers," Anderson said, adding that many commercial chargers will also require the EV driver to enroll and sometimes pay a $20 fee, but that might be reimbursed with charging.
May be it was intentional. 