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Old 08-02-2012, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AZuser
40,000 per year for the ILX according to Acura. That's an average of 3,333 per month. 1,520 is less than half that. Acura sold 1,196 in June.
Hmmm..I'd say that first month is not a good sign, then.
Old 08-02-2012, 01:39 PM
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sales growth is down to 4 or 5% and thats without Honda and Nissan new engines, transmission, hybrids.
Seems like someone is having a really hard time grasping the simple concept of capacity constraints.

From AutoNews -

Hyundai had a 27-day supply of vehicles at the close of July sales. Supplies of the Elantra and Sonata, which together account for about 60 percent of Hyundai's total U.S. volume, were even tighter: 19 days for the Sonata and 17 days for the Elantra.
That's a tighter supply than what Honda had last June at the height of the effects of the tsunami.

Also, Hyundai's sales still grew despite sales of the Santa Fe having dropped off sharply due to production having been switched over to the new SF (the 1st new SFs are being shipped to dealers now).

Not that anyone should expect Hyundai or Kia to continue such sales growth (w/o a new plant in the US), but Hyundai should see a decent amount of growth for the later part of the year as supply of the new SF grows (should be a big hit for Hyundai - will do over 10k in sales) and as their 'Bama plant gets a bump in capacity during the last quarter.

Kia sales won't grow much until the new Forte launches.

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Anyway, while the new 3 Series hasn't exactly lit up the sales chart (too early to tell), BMW saw a huge increase in 7 Series sales (nearly 1,700 sold in July), as well as a decent increase in 5 and 6 Series sales - so I don't think they are complaining.

Once again, the Volt handily outsells the Leaf - 1,849 to 395.

And sales of the Audi A6 slipped past the newer Lexus GS for the month Audi (w/ the A6, A7 and A8 - Audi is seeing real growth at the higher end luxury sedna segment, pushing them past Lexus).

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Originally Posted by biker
So, that ILX sales figure seems a bit low, no?
Originally Posted by ttribe
I had the same reaction. Anyone know what Acura's expectations were at launch?
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40,000 per year for the ILX according to Acura. That's an average of 3,333 per month. 1,520 is less than half that. Acura sold 1,196 in June.
We're only one store so I don't know if this is true everywhere, but we could not have sold more than we did. Our last ILX was delivered about 2 days before the next shipment arrived. We took deposits on 2-3 from the next batch for color/trim reasons. By my guestimate, we probably sold 12-15 last month.

I just sold our last RDX Tech and they only arrived a week ago. I believe we're now down to 2-3 base RDXs. These two won't reach their full potential till dealers have some standing inventory. Generally at least 2x the number of expected monthly sales are required if you are going to have a selection for customers to choose from.
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Originally Posted by Colin
We're only one store so I don't know if this is true everywhere, but we could not have sold more than we did. Our last ILX was delivered about 2 days before the next shipment arrived. We took deposits on 2-3 from the next batch for color/trim reasons. By my guestimate, we probably sold 12-15 last month.

I just sold our last RDX Tech and they only arrived a week ago. I believe we're now down to 2-3 base RDXs. These two won't reach their full potential till dealers have some standing inventory. Generally at least 2x the number of expected monthly sales are required if you are going to have a selection for customers to choose from.
It will be interesting to watch subsequent months.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
It will be interesting to watch subsequent months.
It will. FWIW, its not uncommon to run the line at 3/4 speed as they ramp up production of a new model. Also the recent recall on the door lock issue might have affected shipments of new ILXs. BTW, they added 0.9% (36) and 1.9% (60 months) financing to the ILX today, maybe this is to coincide with an expected jump in production numbers?
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It will. FWIW, its not uncommon to run the line at 3/4 speed as they ramp up production of a new model. Also the recent recall on the door lock issue might have affected shipments of new ILXs. BTW, they added 0.9% (36) and 1.9% (60 months) financing to the ILX today, maybe this is to coincide with an expected jump in production numbers?
Good info. I'll be curious to see the outcome. I must be honest, I see very little appeal in the ILX, but I hope (for Acura's sake) that it's successful.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Good info. I'll be curious to see the outcome. I must be honest, I see very little appeal in the ILX, but I hope (for Acura's sake) that it's successful.
Also, don't forget about the "stop sale" order for the door latch recall. It didn't affect the total number of sales for us, it just delayed the deliveries of the cars already sold. This is not to say that other dealers didn't have sales pushed back into this month if they were unable to get the necessary repair parts.
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it is getting close.

Audi.
http://www.autoworldnews.com/article...-worldwide.htm
The company saw worldwide growth of 12.9 percent over July 2011, with a total of 119,600 vehicles sold. This represents the strongest July on record for the company, and continues a year-to-date increase of 12.4 percent, with 852,900 sold.

BMW

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...8J759720120807
* BMW brand sales rise to record 113,253 autos in July

* Seven-month deliveries up 7.7 pct to 860,327
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Originally Posted by ttribe
Good info. I'll be curious to see the outcome. I must be honest, I see very little appeal in the ILX, but I hope (for Acura's sake) that it's successful.
i think it will be good. I dont think it will reach their expected sales but it should be close.

I sat inside it. And you dont think civic at all. For a car that costed 25k for my friend it looks more upscale in their than anything else costing as much that I can think of.
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Lexus is looking for more of the sales pie apparently. I read somewhere today that they were considering bringing out a sub-RX CUV.
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Or it might be that the RX will grow in size and be a 3-row CUV, and requiring a 5-passenger only CUV ala RDX/GL/X3
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or they might wanna compete against the new x1?
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
or they might wanna compete against the new x1?
A Lexus RAV-4 based CUV would be more the size of the X3; the RX is more the size of the X5, tho it competes against the X3 on price.

A RAV-4 based Lexus is definitely on its way and Toyota is contemplating a full-size/3 row CUV as well but it remains to be seen if this will be an all-new model or if Toyota will just do a LWB version of the RX.
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American Honda today reported August 2012 U.S. sales of 131,321 units, an increase of 59.5% compared with August 2011 (an increase of 53.6% based on the daily selling rate*). The Honda Division posted August 2012 sales of 115,675 units, an increase of 57.9% compared with August 2011. Acura's U.S. August sales of 15,646 units increased 72.8% compared with August 2011.

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Honda division posts strong August sales of 131,321, best August sales in 2 years
Accord posted its second best sales month of the year at 34,848 units, up 89 percent; Civic sales up 106 percent with 24,897 units sold
CR-V continues sales success at 23,877 units, up more than 44 percent
Odyssey sales up more than 61 percent from August 2011, with 12,750 units sold in August
"It's clear that demand for Honda products continues to be strong, and we're on track to post our best yearly sales results in 4 years," said John Mendel, American Honda executive vice president of sales. "Honda is finishing the summer on a high note, and there's more to come as we build momentum toward the fall launch of the all-new 2013 Accord."
Acura

RDX sets its 4th-consecutive record sales month with 2,926 units, up 156.9% compared to August 2011
MDX remains the top-selling Acura vehicle with sales of 5,549 units, up 77.5% from August 2011
The TL was Acura's best-selling sedan with sales of 3,201, up 33.2%

"Acura sales continue to show great upward momentum, led by our strong light truck lineup,"
said Jeff Conrad, vice president of Acura sales. "The all-new 2013 Acura RDX is a hit with buyers thanks to its increased comfort, utility and power, along with class-leading fuel economy."

*The daily selling rate (DSR) is calculated with 27 days for August 2012 and 26 days for August 2011. Year-to-date, the DSR is calculated with 205 days for 2012 and 204 days for 2011. All other percentages in release are unadjusted; see table for adjusted DSR figures.
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All those incentives are certainly moving units.
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Despite naysayers, the Ridgeline continues to chug along. Who can argue with a 329% increase.
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The ILX still seems to be lagging a bit, and it seems like it and the TSX really are stealing sales from each other.

I seem to be in the minority that actually likes the ILX, I just wish it had a bigger engine. It would be interesting for Acura to publish the number of manuals that they're selling though.

Good to see the RDX still selling like crazy though, looks like Acura hit a home run there.
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from autoblog...

vw seems to have gotten a huge boost of sales. Same goes for toyota. Hyundai slowed down quite a bit.

And BMW had a significant drop!
maybe this will teach bmw to go back to how they were. A drivers car as from recent reviews they have been losing that. And it seems like lexus picked up their lost sales.
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Hyundai slowed down quite a bit.
So what you're saying is they're stagnating.
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Hyundai Motor America Reports Record August Sales

- Sixth Straight Month Breaking the 60,000 Mark

- Best-Ever August Sales

- Third Shift at Hyundai's Alabama Plant Begins Production Today

COSTA MESA, Calif., Sept. 4, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Hyundai Motor America announced an all-time August sales record of 61,099 units, a four percent increase compared with the same period a year ago and the best August sales level in company history, even topping the Cash for Clunkers mark set in 2009.

"We feel really good about the way August shaped up as our overall inventory situation continued to improve and consumer response to the all-new Santa Fe has been nothing short of remarkable," said Dave Zuchowski, executive vice president of sales.

The all-new Azera continued its strong sales pace resulting in an incredible 977 percent gain over last August. The Elantra family and Tucson saw sales gains of 19.5 percent and 29 percent, respectively, over the same period a year ago, and Veloster remains red hot as customers now have a choice of both turbo and non-turbo models of the innovative three-door coupe. Hyundai fleet sales and mix remained relatively low at seven percent mix for the month and a nine percent mix year-to-date, among the lowest in the industry.
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Kia Motors America Records 24th Consecutive Monthly Sales Record In August

Annual Sales Up 16.6 Percent for the Fastest-Growing Car Company in the U.S. Over the Last Five Years [1];Optima Midsize Sedan Surpasses 100,000 Unit Mark for First Time

IRVINE, Calif., Sept. 4, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Kia Motors America's (KMA) scorching summer momentum continued in August and delivered the brand's 24th consecutive monthly sales record with 50,028 units sold. Sales over the same period last year were up 21.5 percent, and Kia is significantly ahead of last year's all-time annual sales record pace.

Kia's record-setting August was led by strong performances from the U.S.-built* Optima midsize sedan and Sorento CUV with both topping the 10,000 unit mark for the fourth straight month and Optima became the third Kia vehicle to reach 100,000 annual units in company history. The ongoing popularity of the Soul urban passenger vehicle is a major component of Kia's 24-month sales streak, and the fourth installment of the iconic hamster advertising campaign titled "Bringing Down the House" is now playing on movie screens nationwide and will make its television debut on MTV's Video Music Awards on September 6.

"In a short period of time the Kia brand has transformed into a recognized leader in automotive design, and together with our lineup of stylish, fun-to-drive cars and CUVs and memorable marketing initiatives we have achieved another remarkable milestone with our two-year run of monthly sales records," said Byung Mo Ahn, group president and CEO of KMA and KMMG. "At Kia, we always have given our customers a lot for their money, and with an impressive collection of new vehicles and cutting-edge technologies on tap for 2013, the Kia brand is poised for future growth as we advance value to new levels of sophistication."
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Originally Posted by AZuser
So what you're saying is they're stagnating.
it is lot worse. Considering new Accord hasnt entered the market. than there is ramp up production of new Altima. refresh civic and sentra on top of that. even Honda Fit is now more than 4 years old.
Genesis sales have collapsed to 2000. and its lease deals are half price compared to Lexus GS. Alteast RL leases are expensive.
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Unhappy BMW Had a Rough Month

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U.S. auto sales -- led by Honda Motor Co., the Volkswagen Group and Toyota Motor Corp. -- jumped 20 percent last month for the strongest monthly pace in three years.

The Detroit 3 also posted double-digit sales gains for August, signaling the auto industry's recovery remains solidly on track despite sluggish economic growth, rising gasoline prices and widespread consumer uncertainty.

The seasonally adjusted sales rate for August accelerated to 14.53 million from 14.1 million in July and 12.5 million a year earlier. The results topped most analysts' forecasts and marked the highest SAAR since the U.S.-sponsored cash-for-clunkers program in August 2009.

U.S. new car and light-truck sales have advanced 15% to 9.7 million this year through August and remain a bright spot amid mixed economic signals and lackluster job growth.

"The auto industry continued to outperform the general economy in August," Bill Fay, Toyota group vice president and general manager, said in a statement. The company posted a 46% sales increase last month as it continued its recovery from an earthquake-hampered 2011.

Honda Motor Co. reported a 60% increase from a year earlier, when it also suffered from quake-related inventory shortages. Volume at the Honda brand jumped 58% to 115,675 units; Acura deliveries climbed 73% to 15,646 units.

Among major brands, VW led the way with a 63% jump, its 12th straight month of gains of at least 25%. Including Audi, up 13%, and other luxury brands, VW Group sales jumped 48%.

Pent-up demand, consumer discounts, new models, fleet deliveries, and more favorable credit are aiding light-vehicle sales.

In some cases, automakers are also offering aggressive incentive programs that reward dealers for selling more cars and light trucks.

Chrysler sales chief Reid Bigland attributed his company's 14% increase in part to an "incredibly resilient" climate for auto sales.

Paul Taylor, chief economist for the National Automotive Dealers Association, said low interest rates, ample inventories and healthy incentives are driving the market.

"These factors support higher rates of growth of light vehicle sales growth this year and next," Taylor said today.

August sales at the VW brand surged to 41,011 as the automaker continued to benefit from redesigned models in key segments, notably small and mid-sized sedans.

Toyota's 46% increase followed advances of 60% in June and 87% in May.

Chrysler was helped by a 21 percent gain in car deliveries and an 18% increase in Ram brand volume.

Ford Motor reported a 13% increase in sales last month, with retail volume up 19% over August 2011. Sales rose 13% at the Ford division and 2% at Lincoln.

The company said it also plans to boost 4th-quarter North American output by 7% -- or 50,000 vehicles -- to 725,000 over 2011 levels.

GM -- aided by Olympics advertising and a Chevrolet promotion -- said its sales rose 10%. GM's retail sales rose 11% while fleet deliveries climbed 6%.

Strong month

Nissan Motor Co. said its U.S. sales for August totaled 98,515, up 8% from a year ago, while Subaru climbed 36%.

Hyundai Motor Co. said it set an August sales record of 61,099 units for the Hyundai brand, an increase of 4% from a year earlier.

At Jaguar Land Rover, sales jumped 31% last month, helped by new models such as the Range Rover Evoque.

"Clearly, August was a strong auto shopping month in the United States and for Jaguar Land Rover," Andy Goss, head of Jaguar Land Rover North America, said in a statement.

Honda, like Toyota, was expected to be among the industry's biggest gainers as it continues to recover from inventory shortages following the March 2011 earthquake in Japan.

Civic sales rose 106% to 24,897 units last month, Honda said.

"Honda is finishing the summer on a high note," John Mendel, American Honda's executive vice president of sales, said in a statement.

August marked Chrysler's 29th consecutive monthly increase in U.S. sales, though the gains have slowed this summer from their torrid pace early this year.

The automaker continues to benefit from new or refreshed models, notably a stronger passenger car lineup, as well as generous incentives, fleet shipments and easing credit terms.

Chrysler said volume rose 25% at the Chrysler brand, 34% at Fiat, 13% at Dodge and 5% at Jeep.

Sales of the all-new Dodge Dart compact sedan totaled 3,045 units, the automaker said.

Chrysler's U.S. sales have advanced 26% this year, with car volume up 49% and truck deliveries rising 18%.

'Iron Man' strikes again

Chrysler's U.S. sales have advanced 26% this year, with car volume up 49% and truck deliveries rising 18%.

"Our Iron Man streak continued last month," Reid Bigland, head of the Dodge brand and U.S. sales operations for Chrysler, said in a statement. "An incredibly resilient U.S. new vehicle sales industry doesn't hurt."

TrueCar.com estimates industry incentives averaged $2,457 last month, down 2% from July and off 6% from August 2011. Chrysler, GM and Nissan offered some of the biggest deals in August, while Hyundai, Toyota, and Honda were less generous with discounts, TrueCar said.

"Underlying consumer demand remains solid," TrueCar analyst Jesse Toprak said, pointing to falling discounts and rising transaction prices compared to August 2011. "It could not be a better environment for automakers."

Toprak said the only negative facing the new-vehicle market right now is higher gas prices. Average U.S. gasoline prices rose 21 cents a gallon in the past month, Reuters says.

Among major automakers, Toyota, Honda and Chrysler have gained share this year while Ford, GM, and Hyundai-Kia have lost ground. Nissan's share remains flat.

While some analysts say the sales pace could slow in the second half compared with early in the year, the industry remains on track to produce sales of 14 million units or more in 2012.

The SAAR has now topped 14 million each month this year except for January and May.

And industry sales have advanced each year since 2009, when sales plunged to a 27-year low of 10.4 million.

You can reach David Phillips at dphillips@crain.com.
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it is lot worse. Considering new Accord hasnt entered the market. than there is ramp up production of new Altima. refresh civic and sentra on top of that. even Honda Fit is now more than 4 years old.
Genesis sales have collapsed to 2000. and its lease deals are half price compared to Lexus GS. Alteast RL leases are expensive.
Uhm, the new Camry didn't impact Sonata or Optima sales one bit (Hyundai and Kia are selling them as fast as they can make them).


From Ward's Auto -

Days of supply (through the end of July 2012):

BMW: 15 days
Hyundai: 21 days
Kia: 21 days
Audi: 32 days
Subaru: 32 days
Porsche: 42 days
Daimler: 44 days
Honda: 49 days
Toyota: 49 days
Jaguar Land Rover: 54 days
Nissan: 55 days
Ford: 57 days
Suzuki: 63 days
Chrysler: 65 days
Volkswagen: 72 days
Volvo: 72 days
GM: 79 days
Mazda: 83 days
Mitsubishi: 115 days

H/K has the lowest incentive spending (take out Kia and Hyundai's is even lower) and Hyundai was impacted by 2 things - the turnover from the old to new Santa Fe and stock of models imported from Korea as there has been a strike.

Once the effects of the strike dissipate (should take 1-2 months), supply of the new Santa Fe ramps up and the supply of Sonatas and Elantras increases a bit (a 3rd shift just started production on the 4th), Hyundai should see decent sales gains, but really, this is just putting a band-aid on the capacity problem as Hyundai really needs another NA plant - say a JV w/ Kia to produce the Elantra and the new Forte (Hyundai management made a mistake in not moving on another NA plant).

And let's not forget, the Genesis sedan basically has 1 yr left in its current life cycle and we have yet to see the drastic drop in sales that the M has seen or the previous GS.

Once again "nice" analysis.

And I wouldn't get too excited about a 1 month dip. Stuff happens.

See Toyota Camry sales dip from 39.5k in May to 29.9k in July and reverting back up to 36.7k for Aug.

Same thing for the Accord which went from 35.3k in April to 29.7k in May and was up to 34.8k for Aug.

People who jump on this variations really show their ignorance of the auto industry/market.
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damn thats real rough!! Wonder what happened to the 5 series. Those things were selling pretty well. Somehow i kinda expected the 3 series to drop. That thing is ridiculously expensive now, when you option it out.
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
damn thats real rough!! Wonder what happened to the 5 series. Those things were selling pretty well. Somehow i kinda expected the 3 series to drop. That thing is ridiculously expensive now, when you option it out.
BMW got busted inflating their sales last month with the 5 series. To be honest, I only skimmed the article when the news broke so I probably don't have the details right, but if I remember right they were selling employees loaner cars at huge discounts and counting them as new sales.

Knowing that I expected a step back for BMW, but this is massive. I have to wonder if BMW abandoning what made them great a bit is starting to hurt them. As fun as the new 3 series is, the old one drove better.
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Originally Posted by EhkoXC
The ILX still seems to be lagging a bit, and it seems like it and the TSX really are stealing sales from each other.

I seem to be in the minority that actually likes the ILX, I just wish it had a bigger engine. It would be interesting for Acura to publish the number of manuals that they're selling though.

Good to see the RDX still selling like crazy though, looks like Acura hit a home run there.
The new Accord will kill the ILX if Acura doesn't do something to vastly improve the ILX....lol. Heck, the Accord seems to be a more attractive car than the TSX!
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The new Accord will kill the ILX if Acura doesn't do something to vastly improve the ILX....lol. Heck, the Accord seems to be a more attractive car than the TSX!
It does not have suspension of TSX and turning circle is larger. I dont think it will handle better than ILX let alone TSX.
There is nicer interior in TSX.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...accord-part-1/
Despite the right-sizing, suspension changes for 2013 result in a minor increase in turning circle to 38.1, notably larger than the Camry, Sonata, and even the Fusion.



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It does not have suspension of TSX and turning circle is larger. I dont think it will handle better than ILX let alone TSX.
There is nicer interior in TSX.
Don't forget that the Accord won't be as aerodynamically efficient so the TSX will still be the most aerodynamic car in the world.
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Originally Posted by AZuser
Don't forget that the Accord won't be as aerodynamically efficient so the TSX will still be the most aerodynamic car in the world.
8G Accord got far higher EPA ratings than TSX

You dont need to be rocket scientist to figure this thing out.


EX-L V6 2011 20mpg
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2011...IEWS/110309992

2010 TSX V6 (Pre-MMC) 20.8mpg combined.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010...IEWS/100119955

TSX body has curves that still look modern 5 years after introduction. I only see those in RLX.





Old 09-10-2012, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX

You dont need to be rocket scientist to figure this thing out.
But you do need to be one to extrapolate figures into the future.
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Anyone have the Audi breakdown from last month to compare against BMW?
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Originally Posted by EhkoXC
Knowing that I expected a step back for BMW, but this is massive. I have to wonder if BMW abandoning what made them great a bit is starting to hurt them. As fun as the new 3 series is, the old one drove better.
I think BMW may have a real problem on their hands with the new 3. I drove one for a loaner; it just wasn't that good.
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Lightbulb Audi vs BMW

Old 09-10-2012, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
But you do need to be one to extrapolate figures into the future.
Didnot i predicted two years ago Audi will become No 1 luxury brand. and they havent even lunched A3 sedan yet.

Audi Threatens BMW’s Seven-Year Lead in Luxury Car Sales

The Volkswagen AG (VOW) luxury brand boosted eight-month sales 13 percent to 961,000 vehicles, compared with BMW’s 7.8 percent increase to 963,110 autos, according to the two companies’ monthly sales reports. BMW, the world’s largest-maker of luxury cars, led by 40,513 vehicles through August of last year.
The 102,730 vehicles BMW sold in August fell short of the 108,100 sold by Audi, which also passed the BMW brand in deliveries in April and July. The VW unit’s delivery growth was led by jumps so far this year of 33 percent in China and 18 percent in the U.S., the world’s two biggest auto markets.
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Originally Posted by ttribe
I think BMW may have a real problem on their hands with the new 3. I drove one for a loaner; it just wasn't that good.
You might be right. It's still a decent enough car, and people will still buy it to say "I drive a BMW," but it felt way more like a Lexus than a BMW to me when I test drove it.

It just seemed to lack the soul of the outgoing model. In a lot of ways BMW is guilty of doing exactly what everyone pans Honda for. They seem to be designing their cars to appeal to the lowest common denominator now, not sticking with what made them great.
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Originally Posted by EhkoXC
You might be right. It's still a decent enough car, and people will still buy it to say "I drive a BMW," but it felt way more like a Lexus than a BMW to me when I test drove it.

It just seemed to lack the soul of the outgoing model. In a lot of ways BMW is guilty of doing exactly what everyone pans Honda for. They seem to be designing their cars to appeal to the lowest common denominator now, not sticking with what made them great.
I agree.
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Toyota Camry Surges Past Ford F-150 to US Top Spot
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48982556

Click link for story.

Top 10 in the US (First half 2012):

Toyota Camry (209,000)
Ford F-150 (202,000)
Honda Civic (158,000)
Nissan Altima (154,000)
Honda Accord (150,000)
Toyota Corolla (148,000)
Honda CR-V (144,000)
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 (140,000)
Ford Fusion (140,000)
Chevrolet Malibu (135,000)


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