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The main difference here is that in 33 months you would have paid $2k for the 60hp bump or 22 months for the 80hp bump - and then kept paying. And worse yet - the hardware is there but that license is likely non-transferrable.
I bet there's minimal impact to the wear and tear of the drivetrain, so that warranty claim is likely bs. This is nothing more than a cash grab to cover loss of revenue that is typically driven by parts and service on their ICE vehicles.
I bet there's minimal impact to the wear and tear of the drivetrain, so that warranty claim is likely bs. This is nothing more than a cash grab to cover loss of revenue that is typically driven by parts and service on their ICE vehicles.
There absolutely is additional wear and tear on a drivetrain as a result of more power being applied. That's just basic engineering. Even if the drivetrain is designed for it, which it most definitely is, applying more load will always result in more stress on the drivetrain.
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I did say minimal.
But look at the Model 3 LR w/ Boost. From the owner groups (which I would admit is a small sample size), none of the failures have been attributed to the boost upgrade.
But look at the Model 3 LR w/ Boost. From the owner groups (which I would admit is a small sample size), none of the failures have been attributed to the boost upgrade.
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They may say that AB has a reasonable chance, not definite, of adding ~$1500 (made this up) in warranty cost potential to a given unit, sell it for $2k to cover that plus R&D cost. If a given unit doesn't realize those warranty costs, they pocket that cash.
We do this all the time. For example, a range of implants may have the same delivery system but varying levels/modes of failure (and acceptance criteria) depending on what implant is being delivered.
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Impressive that laser cutting is used exclusively instead of cutting with a press cutting die. Those 6-stage huge presses are massive
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The demise of AMG’s twin-turbo V8 from the Mercedes C-Class and E-Class lineups certainly didn’t please enthusiasts, but a new report brings back hope. Insider sources suggest that the V8 could return in both sedans as part of a plug-in hybrid system, as early as 2026.
Currently, the Mercedes-AMG C63 S E Performance produces a combined 671 hp (500 kW / 680 PS) from a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder and a rear-mounted electric motor. Likewise, the upcoming AMG E63 variant of the new E-Class is expected to come fitted with an inline-six PHEV. While both will offer significantly higher outputs than their V8-powered predecessors, there is always room for improvement.
Citing senior engineers “directly involved in the matter, ” Georg Kacher from Car And Driver suggests that the M177 4.0-liter V8 engine is being reworked to meet the significantly stricter Euro 7 emission standards. According to the report, the current generations of the C-Class and the E-Class need “minor bodywork changes” in order to be compatible with a V8-based PHEV.
A similar plug-in hybrid powertrain is already used in the E Performance variants of the Mercedes-AMG GT63 S four-door coupe and S63 sedan flagships, offering a combined 831 hp (620 kW / 843 PS) and 791 hp (590 kW/ 802 PS) respectively. Add the upcoming SL63 E Performance and the entire family of Aston Martin PHEVs into the mix and you’ll get that it makes perfect sense for Mercedes to continue evolving the good-old V8, keeping it up to date with emission regulations.
We don’t know the name of the V8 PHEVs in the C-Class and E-Class lineups, but Mercedes has already trademarked the E73 moniker which sounds like a good candidate for the new performance king. This model could rival the upcoming BMW M5 which is also expected to come fitted with an electrified V8.
Currently, the Mercedes-AMG C63 S E Performance produces a combined 671 hp (500 kW / 680 PS) from a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder and a rear-mounted electric motor. Likewise, the upcoming AMG E63 variant of the new E-Class is expected to come fitted with an inline-six PHEV. While both will offer significantly higher outputs than their V8-powered predecessors, there is always room for improvement.
Citing senior engineers “directly involved in the matter, ” Georg Kacher from Car And Driver suggests that the M177 4.0-liter V8 engine is being reworked to meet the significantly stricter Euro 7 emission standards. According to the report, the current generations of the C-Class and the E-Class need “minor bodywork changes” in order to be compatible with a V8-based PHEV.
A similar plug-in hybrid powertrain is already used in the E Performance variants of the Mercedes-AMG GT63 S four-door coupe and S63 sedan flagships, offering a combined 831 hp (620 kW / 843 PS) and 791 hp (590 kW/ 802 PS) respectively. Add the upcoming SL63 E Performance and the entire family of Aston Martin PHEVs into the mix and you’ll get that it makes perfect sense for Mercedes to continue evolving the good-old V8, keeping it up to date with emission regulations.
We don’t know the name of the V8 PHEVs in the C-Class and E-Class lineups, but Mercedes has already trademarked the E73 moniker which sounds like a good candidate for the new performance king. This model could rival the upcoming BMW M5 which is also expected to come fitted with an electrified V8.
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The requirements for these autonomy levels are ridiculous, they don't differentiate between city and highway driving or weather conditions, the loopholes are massive and as a result you get this
"Level 3"
"Level 3"
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