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Old 07-03-2007, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by iNteGraz92
the world may never know. defenders will probably give you a bunch of excuses, but the bottom line is that german cars are overpriced.
Right, cause if Japanese cars offered a powerful engine, RWD, with full features and build quality equivalent to the German cars, I'm sure that they'd offer them for tons cheaper...

Just like Lexus right? Cause the IS350 is really so much cheaper than the new C350. Or the Infiniti G37? Or the Acura NSX? Or any of the previous Halo Sports Cars such as the Supra TT, RX-7 TT, or 300Z? Those were all offered for More than $40k in the early to mid 90s and were reflective of their performance and quality.

There's a reason why Japanese cars in general are cheaper today: the quality is not up to the level of German Cars (except probably Lexus). And the Audience that Japanese automakers are targeting are not (yet) the same target as German automakers. Japanese automakers primarily target bargain shoppers who want the best bang for the buck - face it, if money were no issue to you (you being whoever reads this) there would be serious consideration to throw money at German companies.

Honda is an economical car company, they make cheap cars for people who want decent performance for a good price. Same with Toyota.

A C-Class offered for the same price as an accord/tsx? Yeah right. If a Japanese company came out with a RWD V6 with great build quaility, they would charge around $35k as well. If you wanna attack overpriced car companies, don't first look to the Germans, look at the Italians... God damn those thing are expensive.

People can say what they want, but generally price is reflective of quality. (With the exception of a few: a la Land Rover)

Back on Topic, IMO a Mercedes C350 for $37k is a great deal. It'll definitely give the IS350 and the BMW 3 series a run for their money with pricing like that. TSX sales won't be affected because... well... TSX shoppers probably wouldn't be seriously looking to buy a 3 Series or an IS350 in the first place.

Now show me the Brabus/AMG models.

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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
There's a reason why Japanese cars in general are cheaper today: the quality is not up to the level of German Cars (except probably Lexus). And the Audience that Japanese automakers are targeting are not (yet) the same target as German automakers. Japanese automakers primarily target bargain shoppers who want the best bang for the buck - face it, if money were no issue to you (you being whoever reads this) there would be serious consideration to throw money at German companies.
Despite not able to match German cars' build quality, Japanese cars are able to make it up with reliability. You can well throw lots and lots of money at the Germans, but somehow they just can't get to the level of reliability which comes standard in Japanese cars.

Many stay away from German cars and buy Japanese cars for reliability. However, if it comes a time when the expensive German cars are as reliable as the Japanese, then the market will be all theirs.
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C63 - 457hp/443lb-ft



Mercedes has taken the wraps of the ultimate version of its all-new C-Class sedan - the C63 AMG with 457 hp and 443 pound-feet of torque.

Under the hood is the same 6.3-litre V-8 that's in AMG versions of the M-Class and CL. In the C-Class it gives a 0-60 mph time of 4.5 seconds and an electronically limited top speed of 155 mph.


Mated to the engine is AMG's Speedshift Plus 7G-TRONIC transmission. Steering wheel shift paddles and three driving modes - Sport, Comfort and Manual - are standard. The newcomer will be the first AMG car to feature an automatic throttle-blipping function during downshifts. Mercedes say this enhances the driver's emotional experience, but also gives almost completely jolt-free downshifting.


It's also the first AMG to feature a three-stage stability control system, which allows the driver to pre-set the vehicle's dynamic thresholds. Put simply, this means he can predetermine at which point during an extreme maneuver he or she wants the stability control to activate.


A sports suspension and 18-inch AMG alloys (or optional 19-inch rims) will offer an outstanding driving experience, according to the German firm.


This is the fifth generation of the AMG C-Class, the heritage of which dates back to the C36 AMG (1993). It was the very first vehicle developed as a joint venture between Daimler-Benz and AMG.


The new model will go on sale across Europe during next year.
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Wow that new C63 looks pretty mean. I hope Mercedes undercuts the price by a good amount to the new M3 and piss off BMW.
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That is just the BASE price... LOL

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Wow thats some great pricing...
Don't worry - by the time that you have added all the optional packages then it will be in the 40K zone... LOL!
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It's interesting that the "Sport" version is priced lower than the "Luxury" version. I actually like the look of the Sport version better! More youthful and sporty looking.
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People do cross shop the TSX with 3 series etc.

Originally Posted by BraveDemon
TSX shoppers probably wouldn't be seriously looking to buy a 3 Series or an IS350 in the first place.
Actually, I think that a lot of TSX shoppers do cross shop the 3 series, A4 and IS. I almost got the 3 series myself but decided to get the TSX in the end because I wanted the Acura reliability and overall value, though I absolutely could afford any one of them.
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Plus, the 09 TSX will go up in price getting closer to this class of cars.

A $32K C300 sport with a 6MT has just about all of the standard features needed in a car. Getting one around invoice ($29K?) would be a pretty good car - assuming MB worked on the reliability issue. In terms of size and looks, I'd take a C300 over an IS250.
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wow

great pics beltfed!

this may be my next car...
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Yowzer, C63 might just be the best looking car in their line up. I could do without the oversize fogs and useless side slats, but that's just nitpicking.
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First Drive: 2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

Tire Smoke in the 457-hp Mercedes C-Class

By Andreas Stahl, Contributor
Date posted: 07-03-2007

It's the fourth lap and I'm beginning to get the hang of getting the most out of the 2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.

Nudge the brakes to settle the rear of the car, flick the steering wheel into the corner entry while grabbing 2nd gear with the shift paddles, then turn sharply but not so aggressively as to accelerate the weight transfer, and finally allow the inside tires to mount the painted curb at the apex as we nail the throttle hard.

An early whiff of understeer quickly but progressively gives way to mild oversteer as the 6.2-liter V8's prodigious reserves are unleashed to the rear wheels and the limited-slip differential goes to work, bringing the tail of the car around on the exit as the tires scramble for traction. Keeping our right foot planted on the floor, the slip angle increases until we're grappling with a full quarter turn of opposite lock.

We can't help but laugh out loud as we grab a fleeting glance in the rearview mirror and see a trail of white tire smoke billowing from behind.

No Stability Control Here
The Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG is making a solid impression at Circuit Paul Ricard in the South of France. In fact, we're wondering if the new BMW M3 will be able to match the C63 AMG's dynamic prowess.

It's not the baritone exhaust note or the straight-line speed but instead the precise handling at the limit that marks the new C63 AMG as a far more sporting proposition than its predecessor, the C55. The new C63 goes beyond the conventions that have defined each and every AMG model for the good part of the past decade, adding a welcome degree of finesse to the driving experience.

But that's not to say the C63 lacks any of the unadulterated performance muscle we have come to expect from Mercedes-Benz's storied performance-car division. It still does the old point-and-squirt routine as well as any rival. In fact, AMG's entry-level model is now more rapid than ever, and it gets to 100 kph (62 mph) in 4.5 seconds, a whopping 0.7 second faster than the former C55 — and 0.3 second faster than the forthcoming BMW M3.

The car's top speed has been limited to 155 mph, although C63 customers will have the opportunity to bring 174 mph within reach by ordering an optional Sport package that includes such goodies as the limited-slip differential and a set of spectacular-looking 19-inch wheels adorned with Bridgestone Potenza REO50A tires, 235/35ZR19s in front and 255/30ZR19s in the rear.

Hardware To Challenge the M3
Based on the new third-generation C-Class, the C63 has been equipped with hardware specifically to counter the performance of the new BMW M3 with its V8 engine. Much like the CLK 63 AMG Black Series, the C63 AMG has a wider front track with exceptionally stiff wheel bearings to withstand higher cornering loads. It doesn't sound like much, but as you set off down the road for the first time, you can tell the difference.

With a quicker steering ratio that yields 2.5 turns lock-to-lock, the steering also feels highly accurate, especially straight ahead where it is terrifically precise. You have an immediate impression of greater agility, added response and better feedback.

AMG has also thoroughly rethought its philosophy regarding electronic stability control. Switch off the stability control by holding down the dashboard-mounted button for longer than 3 seconds and now it remains off. Also there's no further electronic intervention when a predetermined threshold is detected, except under heavy braking when the stability control helps to stabilize the front end as you're bearing down on a corner. But once you get back on the power again, the stability control disengages and there's plenty of opportunity for heavy doses of oversteer — not to mention the ability to light up those sizable rear tires when accelerating with gusto from a standstill.

But wait. There's more! The AMG-calibrated stability control has a Sports mode in which the intervention threshold allows the rear end to step out of line without the electronics prematurely dumping power from the engine and applying the brakes. It seems like the perfect solution for those like us who like to explore what the chassis has to offer but also like the idea of stability control working away in the background just in case something goes terribly wrong. Meanwhile, it's best to keep the stability control engaged during everyday driving.

On the Track and on the Road
The C63 feels more fluid and better balanced than the C55 ever was. It is an altogether more satisfying and accommodating car to drive, and it responds to driver inputs with added sharpness and a degree of communication no other regular production Mercedes-Benz model offers. As it approaches the limit, the chassis balance is almost neutral, and the dynamic boundaries are clearly defined thanks to the clear messages coming through the steering wheel. Exceptional body control makes cornering a pleasure.

Heading off the track and onto the roads around the Circuit Paul Ricard in Southern France, we discover the C63's ride is indeed firm, but soft suspension bushings and a good deal of wheel travel ensure it never gets too harsh or noisy even on poor pavement. It is only really when you hit something abrupt that the stiffly sprung underpinnings and a general lack of compliance in the tires combine to send a nasty shock up through the chassis. Predictably, the 14.2-inch front discs and 13.0-inch rear discs help deliver massive levels of stopping power, although pedal effort isn't high.

Aggression You Can See
The C63 AMG is a real head-turner, with the sort of visual potency to match its on-road muscle. The aggressive good looks begin with a heavily reworked front end that receives a unique bumper, with sizable ducts to cool a whole armada of radiators crammed in front of the engine. It is supported by a special twin-blade grille, headlamps boasting special titanium inserts designed to give them a meaner look, and reworked fenders with heavily flared wheel arches.

Toward the rear there are widened rocker sills, a subtle trunk-mounted spoiler, dark taillight lenses, a quartet of chrome tailpipes and a bumper that incorporates a diffuser to draw hot air from the rear differential. It is all set off by a confident stance thanks to a 15mm lower ride height and standard 18-inch wheels.

Aggression You Can't See
The steel hood has a couple of power domes to provide clearance for the crushingly powerful 6.2-liter AMG V8. While the C55's V8 peaked at 362 horsepower, the normally aspirated AMG V8 ups the ante some 95 hp to 457 hp. By comparison, the 4.0-liter V8 in the new M3 kicks out 420 hp.

The new engine really enhances the driving experience. Throttle response is noticeably sharper than before, and the revs build with a free-flowing intensity and then shut down quickly when you lift the throttle (no emissions-related throttle delay here). With torque peaking at 442 pound-feet at 5,000 rpm, acceleration is effortless regardless of speed. Indeed, it pays to keep a watchful eye on the C63's speedometer, as acceleration can be quite deceptive, especially in higher gears where a lack of strain keeps the noise down.

Despite toying with the idea of equipping its latest sport sedan with a new dual-clutch sequential manual gearbox that is nearing production, AMG has once again used its seven-speed automatic with three different modes: Comfort, Sport and Manual. This seven-speed with its conventional torque convertor has been reworked to apply a healthy blip of the throttle to speed downshifts. Under light loads, the transmission swaps cogs seamlessly, but as you dip into the prodigious torque offered by the engine, the shift action tends to become less than smooth.

AMG Brings You More Than Just Speed
While its engine continues to provide heady levels of high-speed entertainment, the 2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG manages to offer much more than pure straight-line speed.

In outright dynamic finesse, the C63 is a far more attractive proposition than the old C55. Indeed, we'd say this car is superior to any other regular Mercedes-Benz model. There's true precision in the way it goes about its business. What's more, it delivers the sort of response you just don't expect from a Mercedes-Benz. In this respect, it is very much a standout.

The big question now is, can the C63 AMG properly challenge the new M3? By week's end we'll be able to give you a subjective assessment, but the real answer will have to wait until later this year when we get a chance to put the two up against each other in anger.
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very nice... insane.. but this is not enough tire for a car with this much power!!! wtf... should have at least had 275's if not 285's...

255/30ZR19s in the rear
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I wonder if the MB DSG got its design from Audi and whether that means either the AT or the MT will be replaced by it.
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WOW, thats all i have to say about that c63.
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just saw the c63 pics.



by the way, the c looks so much better witout the mb logo on the hood.
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
...by the way, the c looks so much better witout the mb logo on the hood.
Agreed.

Call me traditional, but the grill star is only for MB coupes, convertibles, and roadsters--NOT for sedans. In fact, I don't think the star should be on the grill of their SUVs.

I'm all for new design trends, but what about history and tradition? Is anything sacred anymore?

And while I'm ranting, what happened to the traditional remote-retract rear head restraints that have been an MB hallmark? Come on MB...
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Well, that's the big issue.....is that the big star grille used to only be on the flagship models (both coupes), the SL and S-class coupes. That was a true status symbol, not a perceived status level.

Now, its on everything from their cheapest model line to every SUV.


But I guess as automotive trends changed (SUVs), MB had more flexibility by using the big star grille.

Ever since then, the big star grille doesn't stand for what it once did.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Well, that's the big issue.....is that the big star grille used to only be on the flagship models (both coupes), the SL and S-class coupes. That was a true status symbol, not a perceived status level.

Now, its on everything from their cheapest model line to every SUV.


But I guess as automotive trends changed (SUVs), MB had more flexibility by using the big star grille.

Ever since then, the big star grille doesn't stand for what it once did.
The whole brand doesn't stand for what it used to. The good old days (pre-DaimlerChrysler) featured incredibly high quality cars--W140 S-class, W124 E-class, W202 C-class, R129 SL-class. I'm hoping we'll see products that are more like their solid, tank ancestors now that Chrsyler is on its own.

Anyway, back on topic...

I think the new "elegance" grill on the C-class is far more fitting than the "avantgarde" coupe style grille--seems to be a better fit for the personality of the C-class. The C-class has never been the sportiest vehicle in its segment, and IMO, it really shouldn't try to be. People love the car for what it is--an entry level luxury-sport sedan...not an entry level sport-luxury sedan. If one is looking in this segment for a more sport oriented vehicle, they go to BMW, Infiniti, or even Acura.

I believe an automobile manufacturer's philosophy should be to do something and do it incredibly well--don't try to be everything to everyone. Mercedes' emphasis has always been luxury before sport; I believe they should stick to it.

Now, it would have been a smart move to put the star grille on its AMG products; like you said, Beltfed, this grille (in the past) was saved for its premier/prestige models. Why not put the sportier, more prestigious grille on the performance-oriented mega-bucks AMG models? It would be yet another way to distinguish the AMG models (without having to result to over-the-top side skirts, bumpers, and marketing-driven badges).

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I saw one of these in Frankfurt a couple of weeks ago and it's just plain good looking. I'd say even better looking than the 3 series. Now, why is it that you have to pay for good looks?
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That is a good looking wagon. I think it's because it looks more like a wagon/hatchback combo.
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Originally Posted by SPUDMTN
The whole brand doesn't stand for what it used to. The good old days (pre-DaimlerChrysler) featured incredibly high quality cars--W140 S-class, W124 E-class, W202 C-class, R129 SL-class. I'm hoping we'll see products that are more like their solid, tank ancestors now that Chrsyler is on its own.
MB quality is starting to come back, the W221 Sclass shows it.....that's a very nice solid automobile.

When it became DC (as you said), MB tried to get away with cost cutting. Starting with the W220 Sclass....not a high quality piece.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
MB quality is starting to come back, the W221 Sclass shows it.....that's a very nice solid automobile.

When it became DC (as you said), MB tried to get away with cost cutting. Starting with the W220 Sclass....not a high quality piece.
I thought the W221 was a turn-around vehicle, as well. Then this week at work I saw someone's brand new black S550 with the trunk tied down--seems as though the automatic closing mechanism had failed (or so I presume; judging from the rope holding it closed on the inside).

However, on the whole, I believe it's true--the W221 is the start towards the MB of yore. It feels far more solid than that W220 piece of garbage.
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For some reason I just cannot love the way this thing looks. It so BLAND, and boring and uninspired, at least in the pics and it seems that the rear is the worst angle. What ever happened to following the lead of the CLS and styling emotional vehicles...

Hopefully seeing it in person will change my perspective.
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I heart th c63
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
For some reason I just cannot love the way this thing looks. It so BLAND, and boring and uninspired, at least in the pics and it seems that the rear is the worst angle. What ever happened to following the lead of the CLS and styling emotional vehicles....
The CLS is stupid, a trendy design that has an impact on interior room and is already starting to be played out.

In a few years, it will look dated.

A true MB should be upright, somewhat blocky, and not look like a bar of soap.
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There are only 2 truly good looking Mercs out right now. The new S class, and the new CL. Those CL coupes just look sexy as hell.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
The CLS is stupid, a trendy design that has an impact on interior room and is already starting to be played out.

I agree. If you've ever sat in one, the headroom is attrocious, very claustrophopic feeling.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
The CLS is stupid, a trendy design that has an impact on interior room and is already starting to be played out.

In a few years, it will look dated.

A true MB should be upright, somewhat blocky, and not look like a bar of soap.

Freakin

Thought i was the only one who thought that.
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Originally Posted by Siddig
There are only 2 truly good looking Mercs out right now. The new S class, and the new CL. Those CL coupes just look sexy as hell.
I would add the SL and C to this.
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Originally Posted by cob3683
I would add the SL and C to this.
I do like the SL, just see too many of them. I've even some some SLRs on the road, and i'll add those.

The C does nothing for me.
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