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I dont know if wood paneling on a modern version would good or not...but I would hope so
For someone reason I have been a seeing a lot of older GWs around town...I think I'm being taunted for giving up on buying one.
For someone reason I have been a seeing a lot of older GWs around town...I think I'm being taunted for giving up on buying one.
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And the interior of the new Durango is really nice...so if they build off that interior, I dont have any issues.
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If people bothered to read the article...its at the very end, Marichonne calls the Commander "unfit for human consuption."
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From the shoddy 80s Mitsubishi clones to the outstanding-styling-but-crappy-quality LH sedans in the 90s, it's about time Chrysler produced better products.
The new GC shows major promise...so there's hope...
Btw, it's amazing to see how Tom Gale's "cab-forward" styling on the 1993+ LH sedans is basically the "four-door-coupe" phenomenon of today...
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Dealers Think Jeep's New Grand Wagoneer May Have Missed its Sales Window - The Truth About Cars
Fiat Chrysler has some of the best three-row vehicles on the domestic market right now but, if you’re not a fan of minivans, you probably couldn’t care less about them. Dodge’s Grand Caravan remains a darling for budget-conscious families and fleet managers, despite being stuck in its fifth generation for over a decade. Meanwhile, the Chrysler Pacifica takes the Caravan concept and adds modern refinement at a higher price point.
The problem is that neither are SUVs. Even though Dodge does have the Durango on offer already, FCA chief Sergio Marchionne has been begging engineers to come up with a three-row SUV that would surpass the Ford Expedition and Chevrolet Suburban since at least 2013. The theory was to produce a hulking and rugged luxury vehicle that could compete with Land Rover and swipe some business from the domestic luxury rivals. He was heralding the return of Jeep Grand Wagoneer.
However, the vehicle’s development has been plighted with delays and the initial vision has become muddied. While it’s still coming, dealers are beginning to wonder if the model has missed its opportunity as gas prices climb, sales stagnate, and material costs rise.
“I think our window of opportunity is closing,” a veteran FCA dealer explained to Automotive News. “We could have killed with [the Grand Wagoneer] if it had been available when they first told us about it, but it’s a much tougher sell with interest rates and gas prices going up.”
That certainly has been true over the last few months but the expanded outlook on fuel prices is really anybody’s guess. Shale oil could quell domestic fuel prices quite a bit but OPEC has still agreed to cut production in the coming years. Regardless of the confusion and volatility, the average price per barrel will go up quite a bit in the longterm. North American consumers just won’t be hit quite so hard.
Fuel isn’t the only deciding factor of the Grand Wagoneer’s success, though. John Murphy, a research analyst for Bank of America Merrill Lynch, told the Automotive Press Association last week that the “Goldilocks” period for auto retailing was wrapping up.
“The Grand Wagoneer will still sell because it’s a Jeep,” a second dealer said. “But it would have been nice to have them already.”
SUVs will still be big business for automakers for the foreseeable future but the increased cost of raw materials, highly competitive used-car values, and creeping interest rates means fewer consumers will have the means to purchase the really big ones. There is also a lot of competition right now. Premium and entry luxury manufacturers have all driven hard into utility vehicles over the last few years. As a result, FCA decided to shift the Wagoneer downmarket slightly to compete more closely with the Suburban and Expedition. In January of 2017, Marchionne said Jeep would assemble the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer as body-on-frame vehicles. It’s still supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with Lincoln and Cadillac but it probably won’t be chasing Land Rover anymore.
Likely a wise move, but the change forced FCA to push back the production date even further. The SUV is now presumed scheduled to appear for the 2021 model year, meaning assembly wouldn’t start until 2020. “We’ve been working on it for several years,” Jeep head Mike Manley explained earlier this year. “It has a long gestation period, and will be clearly positioned significantly above Grand Cherokee.”
While we’ve seen images of Wagoneer test mules floating around the internet, Jeep employees have been clear that the brand hasn’t decided on the vehicle’s styling. Hopefully the end result doesn’t pursue a similar trajectory as the Jeep Commander, which was introduced to accommodate larger families but crashed and burned during the Great Recession and spiking gas prices.
The problem is that neither are SUVs. Even though Dodge does have the Durango on offer already, FCA chief Sergio Marchionne has been begging engineers to come up with a three-row SUV that would surpass the Ford Expedition and Chevrolet Suburban since at least 2013. The theory was to produce a hulking and rugged luxury vehicle that could compete with Land Rover and swipe some business from the domestic luxury rivals. He was heralding the return of Jeep Grand Wagoneer.
However, the vehicle’s development has been plighted with delays and the initial vision has become muddied. While it’s still coming, dealers are beginning to wonder if the model has missed its opportunity as gas prices climb, sales stagnate, and material costs rise.
“I think our window of opportunity is closing,” a veteran FCA dealer explained to Automotive News. “We could have killed with [the Grand Wagoneer] if it had been available when they first told us about it, but it’s a much tougher sell with interest rates and gas prices going up.”
That certainly has been true over the last few months but the expanded outlook on fuel prices is really anybody’s guess. Shale oil could quell domestic fuel prices quite a bit but OPEC has still agreed to cut production in the coming years. Regardless of the confusion and volatility, the average price per barrel will go up quite a bit in the longterm. North American consumers just won’t be hit quite so hard.
Fuel isn’t the only deciding factor of the Grand Wagoneer’s success, though. John Murphy, a research analyst for Bank of America Merrill Lynch, told the Automotive Press Association last week that the “Goldilocks” period for auto retailing was wrapping up.
“The Grand Wagoneer will still sell because it’s a Jeep,” a second dealer said. “But it would have been nice to have them already.”
SUVs will still be big business for automakers for the foreseeable future but the increased cost of raw materials, highly competitive used-car values, and creeping interest rates means fewer consumers will have the means to purchase the really big ones. There is also a lot of competition right now. Premium and entry luxury manufacturers have all driven hard into utility vehicles over the last few years. As a result, FCA decided to shift the Wagoneer downmarket slightly to compete more closely with the Suburban and Expedition. In January of 2017, Marchionne said Jeep would assemble the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer as body-on-frame vehicles. It’s still supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with Lincoln and Cadillac but it probably won’t be chasing Land Rover anymore.
Likely a wise move, but the change forced FCA to push back the production date even further. The SUV is now presumed scheduled to appear for the 2021 model year, meaning assembly wouldn’t start until 2020. “We’ve been working on it for several years,” Jeep head Mike Manley explained earlier this year. “It has a long gestation period, and will be clearly positioned significantly above Grand Cherokee.”
While we’ve seen images of Wagoneer test mules floating around the internet, Jeep employees have been clear that the brand hasn’t decided on the vehicle’s styling. Hopefully the end result doesn’t pursue a similar trajectory as the Jeep Commander, which was introduced to accommodate larger families but crashed and burned during the Great Recession and spiking gas prices.
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https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/25/...agoneer-spied/
The Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer are coming back, and here’s our first look at a heavily camouflaged prototype tester. We’ve seen what we believed to be a Grand Wagoneer mule previously, but it looks like FCA is on to the next step of testing. As of now, the difference between the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer models on the way isn't fully defined from FCA, but we'd wager to guess that the Grand Wagoneer is going to be the more luxurious of the two. They're expected to be largely similar underneath.
Like the rumors, this concealed SUV looks like an oversized Grand Cherokee in form factor. The actual body lines and design are left completely to our imagination at this point, but it beats looking at a Ram truck mule. We can’t tell what’s going on in the back, as Jeep has a full tented rear end to act as a concealer. The original Grand Wagoneer was pretty boxy in nature, so we wouldn’t doubt if Jeep tries to play up this angle with a heritage-inspired design. The wooden paneling can probably stay in the 1980s, though
Despite the styling remaining a mystery, we’re getting heavy Dodge Durango vibes from this prototype. Its tall front hood, long wheelbase and high roof all play this angle up. The wheels and tires are definitely truck-spec, and the ground clearance looks impressively high with that wheel gap. Suspension-wise, we can see it has an independent rear suspension like the Grand Cherokee. As this Jeep is intended to be a more luxurious SUV offering from Jeep, this choice comes as no surprise — a comfortable ride must take center stage here.
We’ll hope to see more shots of this big SUV with less camouflage as the months wear on. It’s expected to arrive as a 2021 model, sharing a fair bit of its DNA with the Ram 1500. We’ve heard rumors and now seen a patent drawing of an inline-six engine from FCA. The 5.7-liter V8 is a possibility, but this inline-six could make for a very special vehicle. It would also match the vehicle’s expected persona of luxury motoring. For the time being, it remains speculation, but we’re excited to finally see the big SUV out roaming public roads.
Like the rumors, this concealed SUV looks like an oversized Grand Cherokee in form factor. The actual body lines and design are left completely to our imagination at this point, but it beats looking at a Ram truck mule. We can’t tell what’s going on in the back, as Jeep has a full tented rear end to act as a concealer. The original Grand Wagoneer was pretty boxy in nature, so we wouldn’t doubt if Jeep tries to play up this angle with a heritage-inspired design. The wooden paneling can probably stay in the 1980s, though
Despite the styling remaining a mystery, we’re getting heavy Dodge Durango vibes from this prototype. Its tall front hood, long wheelbase and high roof all play this angle up. The wheels and tires are definitely truck-spec, and the ground clearance looks impressively high with that wheel gap. Suspension-wise, we can see it has an independent rear suspension like the Grand Cherokee. As this Jeep is intended to be a more luxurious SUV offering from Jeep, this choice comes as no surprise — a comfortable ride must take center stage here.
We’ll hope to see more shots of this big SUV with less camouflage as the months wear on. It’s expected to arrive as a 2021 model, sharing a fair bit of its DNA with the Ram 1500. We’ve heard rumors and now seen a patent drawing of an inline-six engine from FCA. The 5.7-liter V8 is a possibility, but this inline-six could make for a very special vehicle. It would also match the vehicle’s expected persona of luxury motoring. For the time being, it remains speculation, but we’re excited to finally see the big SUV out roaming public roads.
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They will sell a metric fuck ton of these.
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Jeep seems to have released several titbits of close up interior and exterior shots of the Grand Wagoneer. Can someone collate and compile all those into this thread please.
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Ralph Gilles posted two shots on his IG account a week or so ago. Nothing super revealing. But at least we know its close.
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Can you post a link please. I read it somewhere that the release was on Sept 9th.
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Here the Grand Wagoneer in all it’s Glory.
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I think it looks spectacular.
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A bit Navigator/RR look to it, but in a good way. Interesting screen on the passenger airbag/dash.
Curious to see what updates the next-gen JGC gets.
Curious to see what updates the next-gen JGC gets.
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The interior looks awesome but they definitely phoned in the design of the outside...
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The new Jeep Yukigatolade
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I have been waiting years for the return of the grand wagoneer...and this exterior design is disappointing. At least in photos.
From a company known for bold stand out designs this thing looks generic and like it would blend in with a fleet of Lincoln Navigators.
The interior is gorgeous but I’m not sold on a million screens everywhere. Sounds like recipe for component failures.
From a company known for bold stand out designs this thing looks generic and like it would blend in with a fleet of Lincoln Navigators.
The interior is gorgeous but I’m not sold on a million screens everywhere. Sounds like recipe for component failures.
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The multiple screens in the interior is a welcome feature, those who don’t like it are going to be disappointed because that is the future, every single luxury oriented vehicle will have this.
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Ralph Gilles posted someone’s photoshop of a wrap to his insta.
I gotta say. It’s definitely an improvement that shows off the heritage lines in the design. This I kinda like...
I gotta say. It’s definitely an improvement that shows off the heritage lines in the design. This I kinda like...
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If they want to cut the price in half, then they can think about adding the wood paneling for a different crowd.
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FCAU stock went down... actually down after the reveal. That says it all. I don't think Escalade or Navigator have much to worry about.
The 90s called. They want their rear windows back.
Just compare the rear window designs of a Tahoe or Expedition to this abomination.
The 90s called. They want their rear windows back.
Just compare the rear window designs of a Tahoe or Expedition to this abomination.
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