Infamous425

43k? M45>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RL

titan

Beltfed

You can build one now at Infiniti's site.......they don't waste anytime.

http://www.Infiniti.com

Zoot

actually guys, according to Infiniti.com, the v6 will start at 43k....the v8 will be 50k

1SICKLEX

V-8 starts at $44,500, the V-8 sport $47,200. I got it to 53k loaded. GREEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAT buy, IMO.

V-6 starts at $39,200, the V-6 sport $41,900 and the AWD V-6 $41,200.

Aluminum is only available on the sport models. Wood is an option on ALL models.

The V-6 AWD says 270hp+ so the RL has the HP advantage. But the RL better not be more than $43,000 stock.

I wish Lexus would have more info on the GS, I guess they want to see what the competitors are gonna do before making their final move.

blk_coupe

I wish Lexus would have more info on the GS, I guess they want to see what the competitors are gonna do before making their final move.



Smart move by Lexus. But they're definately missing the buzz the m45 is giving me at this very moment.

titan

Yeah... I just built one. Tons of fun. Good job Infiniti.

cusdaddy

awesome pricing. It's really a steal for a V8 model that low priced

TLProspect

Wow, I have got to disagree. I think the RL looks more upscale that the TL. The leather itself looks higher quality, and the real wood is everywhere, it looks beautiful. I think that the RL will do well in its segment, especially with the revolutionary SH-AWD. Those who say that the 5 series is still levels beyond the RL are sadly mistaken. This car can compete, in power, (likely) in handling, in styling (the 5 series, went from classy to offputting), and in opulence (sorry 1SICKLEX, I know you aren't a believer in Acura=luxury, but I really think this car exudes it, inside and out).

I also think the M45 is as much of a "niche" car as the RL. You can't honestly say that the inside of the Infiniti will be a universally appealing concept, nor will the entire back end of that car. To me, the M45 is either going to be loved or hated, styling wise. Maybe the RL is playing it safe, on the outside, but that's the entire segment. With its new, useful, attention-getting features, more power, expensive materials, (hopefully) excellent reliability, and SH-AWD, the RL is a true luxury car.

Still not understanding why this car leaves you scratching your head... but then again, you aren't really a fan of the Acura line, at least in comparison to the other luxury marques, so I suppose it's expected.

heyitsme

That white leather looks good. Its not perfect but its an Infiniti that finally has the luxury/looks/and most likely performance to get a foot in the market. Too bad they don't have a 6-speed to match Lexus.

CLovis

yeah only took them what, 15 years?

too bad the taillights SUCK

CLovis

wwait..... this is an Altima in disguise isn't it......

Crazy Bimmer

Im sure it will be over $46k for the RL

pimpscls

that is a nice looking interior

biker

Talk about listening to feedback.....

In one of my posts on freshalloy last nite, I mentioned that the "Build your M" prices listed on the Infiniti web site were about $3K high to be realistic. Lo and behold this morning the Infiniti site prices have come down $3K on the standard M35 (from $42,200 to $39,200). That's spooky.
I wonder if Infiniti will now offer an MT, since I (and many others) asked for that too!!!

One thing that seems to have been ignored by everyone (and not hyped much by Infiniti) is that the new M has an ACTIVE rear suspension. Like the SHAWD in the new RL, the system adjusts the geometry of the rear suspension depending on driver input. It will be interesting to see which system provides the best handling.
Like I said before, once someone gets close to the "Ultimate Driving Machine" driving characteristics (like the new M and RL could) the air might slowly start to come out of BMWs sails, cause on just about every other factor (price, realiability, looks) the competiton has it beat.

Vans

Best handling with an active rear suspension when its rwd.... honestly - the rwd will always perform better.

And yeah, they are changing prices and such on the infiniti site almost everyday - LOTS of people are emailing infiniti about colors, options and price... infiniti is listening

phile

What's an active rear suspension? As opposed to a passive rear suspension?

biker

The Infiniti site says that the geometry of the rear suspension is modified by little motors to adjust to driver input and speed. I'm not sure if this is gimmick or how much any of this makes a difference in handling - but I assume they spent the money on engineering and production because it does something. Maybe they resurected the idea of 4WS a la the 88 Prelude. Maybe someone at the NY show can get details.

phile

OK...not quite understanding it, but OK...

I'm getting lost when you say geometry...what does it mean? Like the shape changes to somehow balance the car?

1SICKLEX

Infiniti's going back to their gay ways. They just upped the prices of the car ALREADY. In a day. I guess I they saw all the hits and think people will pay more for it. Fuck that.
YESTERDAY
V-8 starts at $44,500, the V-8 sport $47,200. I got it to 53k loaded. GREEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAT buy, IMO.

V-6 starts at $39,200, the V-6 sport $41,900 and the AWD V-6 $41,200.
TODAY
WTF???? I just went. The V-8 RWD SPort is now starting at $50, 800 I just got it loaded to $59,000.
The V-8 is now $47,900
THe AWD V-6 is $44,300
The V-6 sport is now $45,100
THe V-6 is now $42,400

I'll buy a cheaper Infiniti not an evenly priced or more expensive one.

Zoot

um sick, those prices were up yesterday. Look at my post on the last page. I don't think they would up the prices because of # of hits in one day....my theory is that they originally posted those cheaper prices as a mistake and later corrected it. Perhaps they didn't change on your computer because your browser stored the old version in your cache

1SICKLEX

My bad Zoot. Well, it looked hella better cheaper.

1SICKLEX

Well, they are right back up today. I'd buy em for the lower price and give it a chance. For the same price as the competition, I think not. Especially with the re-sale of a Snickers bar.

blk_coupe

I agree

soopa

wtf. those prices are insane.............

biker

Hey sicklex as an aside, do you have price info on the new GS? I guess Lexus will not be cought up in this kind of pricing/features experiement. They will decide that behind closed doors.

Jason

At the Chicago show some reps were saying the price would be the same as the current GS. A real bargain.

biker

If Lexus offered an MT on the GS3XX then it would be a tough choice between the M35 and Lexus. The current base GS300 is right at $40K. Assuming it comes with the same amount of stuff standard as now or the M at the same price it would be real tough. Like sicklex said - at the same price I'd probably have to with the GS.

1SICKLEX

Well looking at Lexus history.
The 1st gen GS 300 was 44k in 1997.
The 2nd gen GS 300 was 37k and the GS 400 44k in 1998.
Mind u the car was a step and a half better than the old one.
So we have more features, a lower price. Lexus always has been about offering the same features for a lower price.
The latest RX 330 changed that some, it starts at 35k (same as the old RX 300) but loaded 48k.

With competition from Infiniti and Acura (though Lexus aims for Benz/BMW) I think Lexus will price it slightly higher than before.

The ES 330 starts at 32k, the old ES 300 started at right under 30k.
And people are BUYING them in droves. So whereas Lexus had to price their products much lower than BMW/Benz 10 years ago, today the brand is established enough to price their vehicles near BMW/Benz.
A loaded E500 is near 68k as is a loaded 545. I see the GS being
GS 330-39k starting, 44k with NAV etc
GS 330 AWD 42k, 46k with NAV etc
GS 430 48k (the current GS 430 is now a 48k car starting), 56k with NAV everything.

Still much lower than BMW, Benz.

cusdaddy

That's crazy.. I told my friend about how reasonable the prices were, and he looked at the site today and thought I was crazy. I didn't know if I was losing my mind of if they upped their prices. I guess I'm not going crazy.

Come on Infiniti.. That's not right. At those prices, you aren't going to move many of these

biker

I see most folks refering to the next GS as the 330 assuming it will use the same 3.3L V6 as the ES and RX. But I saw in a few reputable places that the new GS will use a new 3.0L V6 w/245 HP (making it still the GS300) that's not used in anything in the US.

Recently I've also seen the possibility of using the 3.5L V6 (I guess making it the GS350 - so then just about everyone will have a 3.5L 6 including M35, MB E350, BMW 535, RL - talk about parity) that's supposed to go into the Avalon. What gives?

1SICKLEX

Biker, your correct. The 3.3 liter V-6 is for FWD vehicles. THe RWD GS will use another 3.0 V-6. I think it is a great move, as for instance, the VQ is an outstanding engine, but there is nothing luxurious having the same engine in 10 other cars.
G35
M35
FX 35
Murano
Quest
Altima
Maxima
Frontier
Pathfinder
350Z
Did I miss any?

1SICKLEX

They just upped the prices of the car ALREADY. In a day. I guess I they saw all the hits and think people will pay more for it.
YESTERDAY
V-8 starts at $44,500, the V-8 sport $47,200. I got it to 53k loaded. GREEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAT buy, IMO.

V-6 starts at $39,200, the V-6 sport $41,900 and the AWD V-6 $41,200.
TODAY
WTF???? I just went. The V-8 RWD SPort is now starting at $50, 800 I just got it loaded to $59,000.
The V-8 is now $47,900
THe AWD V-6 is $44,300
The V-6 sport is now $45,100
THe V-6 is now $42,400

No way Jose.

biker

That whole scheme over there is just wrong. They won't know anything about what the market will bear until the thing is in the showroom. I still can't believe people are paying $10K under MSRP for an M today. I assume Infiniti is still making a couple of bucks at that price. Talk about misjudging the market and inflating the MSRP.

Based on other cars, the base M35 can't be any more than $39K. I'm sure they can make plenty of money selling it at that price. Heck, the real price of todays M45 is less than that .

titan

Though I don't think those prices are insanely outrageous, they are on the pricey side. Even if they weren't as cheap as what Sick posted yesterday, they still should be a couple grand cheaper at all price levels.

Junkster

Exactly what I wanted to say.

Junkster, who couldn't have said it any better.

heyitsme

The price for the v8 right now is 44.5, v8 sport 47.2, they're only estimates.

Its funny how people want Infiniti to use quality parts throughout their cars, but they don't want to pay more for them.

1SICKLEX

The car is based of a stretched 350Z and uses the same engines already made. Do u know how much money this saves???? Tons, an incredible amount. The car does have some new features and I agree with Titan, pass the savings on to consumers.

My 2 cents, the G35 sedan for 30k is an absolute stunning steal, for 35k, I'd shop around. Same for the 350Z.
They should start it at 35k and have the V-8 model for 42k, that would COMPLETELY SHOCK the luxury sport sedan establishment.

03TL-S

Infiniti doesn't need to make the car cheap because it is a luxury brand and people will buy it no matter what price it is. I don't think infiniti would go so far as making the price so low just to compete when in fact, it will already beat alot of the competition. I don't think infiniti is aiming at being a cheap car to buy. If Infiniti wants to build their lux brand appearance, they cant sell the car for 35k if there are already two cars in that price range; the G35 and the i35. A fully loaded G reaches 42k. I mean...come on! The M45 is meant to target the 5 series, e class, GS430, RL and so pricing would of course be similar to its predecessors. Its an absolutely stunning car and its price range is only fair with what the whole package comes with

Vans

You guys, they're playing around for the prices just to see how people react like you biker - It will be priced competitively - but it's still a year away so I'm not too worried about the pricing.