Honda: S2000 News
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XGA thread is here:
https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/next-gen-honda-s2000-news-%2A%2A-jdm-type-r-news-page-11-%2A%2A-127221/
Hmm... the original text was posted on the s2ki.com site, but I still think that tight lipped honda would never let this story leak out...
But maybe they've been listening to me...
from the acura wants a stronger image thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/acura-sales-marketing-financial-news-387118/#post4708611
For example, here's my pitch for the new Acura Coupe...
A 2+2 Coupe will be developed, that will incorporate some of the design cues found in the TL and TSX.... (headlights, 5 point grille, etc)... RWD w/ a 3.8L V6... 320hp should be easily obtainable with that displacment.... <snip>
From the Future H/A pocket rocket thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/future-honda-pocket-rockets-330473/
If they make something like what's being described in the s2ki article, I'd definitely add it to my list of future cars I'll consider buying when it's time to replace the CLS...
But the XGA will have a bunch of competition from a BMW 335 coupe, G37c, Is350 coupe, Supra, etc, that are all "rumored" to be coming soon...
https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/next-gen-honda-s2000-news-%2A%2A-jdm-type-r-news-page-11-%2A%2A-127221/
Hmm... the original text was posted on the s2ki.com site, but I still think that tight lipped honda would never let this story leak out...
But maybe they've been listening to me...
from the acura wants a stronger image thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/automotive-news-6/acura-sales-marketing-financial-news-387118/#post4708611
Originally Posted by GreenMonster
For example, here's my pitch for the new Acura Coupe...
A 2+2 Coupe will be developed, that will incorporate some of the design cues found in the TL and TSX.... (headlights, 5 point grille, etc)... RWD w/ a 3.8L V6... 320hp should be easily obtainable with that displacment.... <snip>
https://acurazine.com/forums/car-talk-5/future-honda-pocket-rockets-330473/
Originally Posted by GreenMonster
This is what I want in my Honda/Acura Pocket Rocket:
1) RWD
2) 6spd transmission as standard equipment
3) V6 power w/ 280-320hp (a small displacement v8 would be acceptable too).
4) 3000lbs curb weight (closer to 2700-2800 would be ideal).
5) 2 + 2 seating (fold down rear seats w/ full access to trunk instead of a small pass thru would be optimum)
6) Base priced under $35K (as acuras are typically equipped - navi and dealer add ons extra).
7) Sunroof delete option (Who needs a sunroof anyways, the extra weight up high raises the center of gravity).
Am I asking for too much ??
1) RWD
2) 6spd transmission as standard equipment
3) V6 power w/ 280-320hp (a small displacement v8 would be acceptable too).
4) 3000lbs curb weight (closer to 2700-2800 would be ideal).
5) 2 + 2 seating (fold down rear seats w/ full access to trunk instead of a small pass thru would be optimum)
6) Base priced under $35K (as acuras are typically equipped - navi and dealer add ons extra).
7) Sunroof delete option (Who needs a sunroof anyways, the extra weight up high raises the center of gravity).
Am I asking for too much ??
But the XGA will have a bunch of competition from a BMW 335 coupe, G37c, Is350 coupe, Supra, etc, that are all "rumored" to be coming soon...
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The article says that this car, if it's for real, will be based on the s2000's rwd platform AND use SH-AWD.
SH-AWD is a system for FWD vehicles...SH-AWD drives the rear wheels of a FWD vehicle. From what I understand, the SH-AWD system consists of the rear driveshaft and gear components, etc. etc, that make it possible to turn the REAR wheels of a FWD car.
What's the deal? The s2000's platform already drives the REAR wheels.
SH-AWD is a system for FWD vehicles...SH-AWD drives the rear wheels of a FWD vehicle. From what I understand, the SH-AWD system consists of the rear driveshaft and gear components, etc. etc, that make it possible to turn the REAR wheels of a FWD car.
What's the deal? The s2000's platform already drives the REAR wheels.
#244
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Originally Posted by mr5parkle
but idk about paying 40-50k for a honda.
There's been talk for years of an acura version on the s2000...
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If Acura wants a stronger/sportier image, then a sub nsx/s2000 2+2 coupe and a V10 NSX will probably do just that
#245
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
The article says that this car, if it's for real, will be based on the s2000's rwd platform AND use SH-AWD.
What's the deal?
What's the deal?
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
I'm not sure, but I would think that the SH-AWD or VTM-4 awd systems could be modified to put power to the front wheels too... It's probably a little more complicated to power the front wheels on a RWD platform, but it's been done many times before...
I disagree...I don't think that either of those systems can be modified for a RWD platform...unless you are willing to call total re-engineering a modification.
There are certain factors in a FWD platform that cannot be changed. There are also certain factors in a RWD platform that cannot be changed.
In a RWD car, the "secondary" drive-shaft drives the front wheels.
Honda's 2 (actually 3 if you count "Real-Time" in the CRV) were designed specifically to drive the rear wheels of FWD cars. The "secondary" drive-shaft is driving the rear wheels.
I think Honda is moving towards calling SH-AWD a "concept" rather than an actual system of components, much like "AWD" is a "concept" that applies to many different systems from different automakers.
If this is the case, then they may give this car (if it's for real) the ability to distribute the amount of torque between the rear wheels, even though its rear-driven (making it "SH"). This will be totally separate from adding power to the front wheels to make it AWD.
So in the end, it'll have "SH-AWD", although no actual parts or components shared with the RL.
#247
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Other than foul weather driving, what would a RWD version of SH-AWD do for the car's performance? I thought they implemented SH-AWD on FWD cars to overcome oversteer. I don't have much experience with RWD, but don't they usually have more neutral steering than FWD? This seems to just add weight to the car.
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Other than foul weather driving, what would a RWD version of SH-AWD do for the car's performance? I thought they implemented SH-AWD on FWD cars to overcome oversteer. I don't have much experience with RWD, but don't they usually have more neutral steering than FWD? This seems to just add weight to the car.
That's a good question...why would a RWD car need AWD except for bad weather...but even with high performance tires, drivign's gonna suck in bad weather with or w/o AWD.
a RWD platform wouldn't need SH-AWD as badly as a front drive car, and also they "system" in the RL would be incompatible with a RWD platform.
#249
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Originally Posted by mrdeeno
You mean they added SH-AWD to overcome understeer? right?
That's a good question...why would a RWD car need AWD except for bad weather...but even with high performance tires, drivign's gonna suck in bad weather with or w/o AWD.
a RWD platform wouldn't need SH-AWD as badly as a front drive car, and also they "system" in the RL would be incompatible with a RWD platform.
That's a good question...why would a RWD car need AWD except for bad weather...but even with high performance tires, drivign's gonna suck in bad weather with or w/o AWD.
a RWD platform wouldn't need SH-AWD as badly as a front drive car, and also they "system" in the RL would be incompatible with a RWD platform.
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in case you havent seen this
http://hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2...44727&mime=asc
meaning the s2000 will be around for another year :w00t: hopefully ill be able to get the 2007
http://hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2...44727&mime=asc
meaning the s2000 will be around for another year :w00t: hopefully ill be able to get the 2007
#251
Well there's the good news, and then there's the cold reality that Honda might pull another NSX and let the S2K live on for another decade.
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Originally Posted by phile
Well there's the good news, and then there's the cold reality that Honda might pull another NSX and let the S2K live on for another decade.
if i cant get a new NSX then i might as well get the next best thing, and most likely something i can afford
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Next Gen S2000 news from Road & Track as posted on vtec.net:
"Mr. Mitani's friends at BestCar are guessing that the S2000 will likely get a "2.4-liter version of Honda's K24 inline-4" (redundant?), but they say there's also the faint possibility of a 3.0L V6. They're guessing that the 2.4L will develop around 250hp at 7000 rpm and 180lb-ft of torque at 4800 rpm."
"the details to this point seem rather sketchy, so until we start getting more solid info we're going to put the credibilty rating at 6 on this one"
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=617521
I really hope this is true!
"Mr. Mitani's friends at BestCar are guessing that the S2000 will likely get a "2.4-liter version of Honda's K24 inline-4" (redundant?), but they say there's also the faint possibility of a 3.0L V6. They're guessing that the 2.4L will develop around 250hp at 7000 rpm and 180lb-ft of torque at 4800 rpm."
"the details to this point seem rather sketchy, so until we start getting more solid info we're going to put the credibilty rating at 6 on this one"
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=617521
I really hope this is true!
#255
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Upgrading to the 2.4 seems plausible, but the 3.0V6 sounds way out of the question. The hood of the S2000 looks way too low to fit a big V-6 like that in there, not to mention what it would do to the balance of the car.
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Upgrading to the 2.4 seems plausible, but the 3.0V6 sounds way out of the question. The hood of the S2000 looks way too low to fit a big V-6 like that in there, not to mention what it would do to the balance of the car.
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My theory: 2.4L for the S2K, the V6 model for a rebadged Acura version.
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the s2000 can't have a v6. even if they redesign it. I liken it to when the eclipse got the v6. ruined the whole image of what the car started out as.
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Originally Posted by srika
the s2000 can't have a v6. even if they redesign it. I liken it to when the eclipse got the v6. ruined the whole image of what the car started out as.
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Originally Posted by phile
My theory: 2.4L for the S2K, the V6 model for a rebadged Acura version.
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Originally Posted by srika
the s2000 can't have a v6. even if they redesign it. I liken it to when the eclipse got the v6. ruined the whole image of what the car started out as.
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Like how the S600 got bigger ??
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They've been talking about a Acura version of the S2k since 2002...
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Upgrading to the 2.4 seems plausible, but the 3.0V6 sounds way out of the question. The hood of the S2000 looks way too low to fit a big V-6 like that in there, not to mention what it would do to the balance of the car.
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I think Honda should put a lightweight 90 degree V-8 under that hood.
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My only wish is that they keep the current attributes regardless of the engine upgrade. Meaning, high red line, 49:51 (50:50) weight distribution, rawness, and fuel friendliness.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I think Honda should put a lightweight 90 degree V-8 under that hood.
With all due respect....the driver would vaporize! No joke. It freakin FLIES with a 4cyl. A V8 would just equal warp speed.
All joke aside, that 250hp stuff is absolute crock. If you ask me, Honda will shatter its previous record of 120hp/liter and shoot for 125hp/liter from a 2.4, which puts you right at a nice round 300hp, which would be more than healthy for it to compete with the Supra and next gen Z. I'd say an all new design, or a heavily, heavily tweaked K eries, that would probably not share much with the current K24 in the TSX etc. Also, the new "Advanced VTEC" system would definetely be featured.
What I don't buy is the 2009 release date. The NSX is set for arrival then, as is the new TL. The new accord should be around then as well. No way they'd allow for a new S2k to be released then - it would steal some of the NSX's thunder.
As for Acura getting an S2k based roadster - I see something similar to Nissan/Infiniti's 350Z/G35 type combo, with the Honda S2k being lightweight and fast, and the bigger hypothetical Acura roadster being a bit more softly sprung, luxo-ed up, and a tad slower and scalpel like. A worthy Z4 competitor. Problem is the S2k itself would be a worthy competitor, so this Acura counterpart would have to go after a whole other niche.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I think Honda should put a lightweight 90 degree V-8 under that hood.
v6 = v8 =
LOL!!!!!
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A v8 would rock, as alot of people complain about lack of low end torque (easily solved with the addition of a SC onto the current 4banger)...
Even with a V8, they would still have to stick to what has made the s2K what it its... balanced and lightweight... something under 4.0L might work well...
Even with a V8, they would still have to stick to what has made the s2K what it its... balanced and lightweight... something under 4.0L might work well...
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Originally Posted by TL CHROMETIDE
With all the recent news about improving Acura's image, I can actually believe that there will be an Acura 'S2000' but I may be wrong
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
How about the turboed RDX motor in a S2k....
NA motor > *
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I havent driven it, but I'd imagine the turbo lag would be objectional in a car like that.
NA motor > *
NA motor > *
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
I havent driven it, but I'd imagine the turbo lag would be objectional in a car like that.
NA motor > *
NA motor > *
#278
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Originally Posted by Maximized
It's not like the S2K currently isn't VERY laggy with it's N/A powerband.
As Ken said, an N/A engine gives instantaneous throttle response. One of the major + points of an S2k is the fact that it responds almost instantly to driver input with no lag or slack in any of the driver controls.
The next gen S2k should be an N/A motor straight from the factory. Small displacement, insane revs, peaky powerband......thats the stuff
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Originally Posted by SpeedyV6
If you open the hood of an S2K you'll see that there's plenty of room for a V6. I doubt that it would affect the handling much either. How much heavier can a v6 be? Just relocate the battery to the trunk and you should be in good shape.
Not sure if I agree with that...it's already mounted at an angle to make room for the hood. There's only about half an inch clearance from the hood. Sure with a hood scoop you could put a v6 in there but for some reason I don' t think it belongs on a s2k
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Maybe an slanted I-6