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Context: Honda F1 is winning more races than Ferrari F1.
Title has nothing to do with road car sales, which Honda also definitely has more of than Ferrari.
Honda has been back in F1 for the last 5 years. They've had a total of 2 poles and 5 wins, 1 of which was sheer luck (Monza, this season). Only within the last 2 seasons or so have they found some semblance of performance and reliability, but it's not consistent.
The turbo v6 era began in 2014. They were 1 year behind everyone else, but they had an exception for additional testing or development (I forget exactly which) that the other teams/suppliers didn't get.
Let's not forget that Honda was in F1 from 2000-2008 as well (2000-2005 as a supplier, 2006-2008 as a constructor). With the exception of 2004 where BAR placed second in the constructors championship, it wasn't a very good run. In those 8 years, they won 1 race (2006, as a constructor).
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They had a dismal first couple years with McLaren. IIRC, Ron Dennis' insistence that the MCL bodywork be so tightly packaged led to cooling issues with the Honda PU.
Becoming PU provider to Toro Rosso & subsequently Red Bull they've made huge leaps forward in performance.
We'll see where they fall when the 2022 regulations come into effect.
The turbo v6 era began in 2014. They were 1 year behind everyone else, but they had an exception for additional testing or development (I forget exactly which) that the other teams/suppliers didn't get.
Let's not forget that Honda was in F1 from 2000-2008 as well (2000-2005 as a supplier, 2006-2008 as a constructor). With the exception of 2004 where BAR placed second in the constructors championship, it wasn't a very good run. In those 8 years, they won 1 race (2006, as a constructor).
They were still limited by the token system though unfortunately. And unfortunately, they also didn't have a say (influence) on the engine rules since they were late to the party. Mercedes apparently started working on their hybrid turbo era engine as early as 2007.
the shortest turning radius with best ride and handling. not easy to combine all three qualities in heavy car with short wheel base.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-re...ric-review/The Honda E is a breathtaking achievement: one of those rare cars that only comes along once every few years and shakes up the established way of doing things. It’s arguably the coolest car of the summer/year/decade thus far, and the design is winningly successful outside and in.
But there’s real substance behind the E’s flair, and if we were judging this Giant Test on driving qualities alone, it would walk into the sunset with the e-plaudits. It has a sophistication to ride and handling that the others can’t match, the cheapest price tag (whether you pay outright or on the tick) and a depth of engineering to soften the blow that Honda is giving up on VTEC and combustion for a new kind of motive power in the years ahead
Omnidirectional ADAS is the next-generation and advanced form of Honda SENSING, with improved recognition, prediction and decision-making performance. This improvement was made possible by widening the front camera angle and adopting 360-degree radar, which enabled the system to detect vehicle peripheral environment more accurately. This system will be able to assist safe driving in more complex and diverse driving conditions on highways and surface roads.
Honda is striving for the early realization of a collision-free society based on its approach of providing “Safety for Everyone” sharing the road, which seeks to help realize a society where everyone can stay safe and avoid getting involved in a traffic accident. As a step forward to this goal, Honda is planning to begin demonstration testing of its omnidirectional ADAS in China before the end of this year.
Full Electric SUV, CRV Plug in with 50 mile range, Honda HRV electric range increased to 295 miles.
https://www.36kr.com/p/898333189616386The Honda SUV e: concept shows the development direction of the first Honda brand pure electric vehicle, with a concise style. This car is mainly completed by Honda's Chinese designer team. It will be equipped with the next-generation "Honda CONNECT" intelligent guidance interconnection system, using intelligent AI assistants, achieving more comprehensive interconnection, and OTA online upgrades. Inoue Katsushiro, Honda's executive director and head of China headquarters, said, "The pure electric vehicle based on the Honda SUV e: concept will be mass-produced as soon as possible."
The new CR-V SPORT HYBRID e+ is the first plug-in hybrid vehicle developed by Honda for China. It is equipped with a Honda plug-in hybrid system. The system is based on a dual-motor i-MMD hybrid system with a pure electric range. The car will reach 80km or more and will be launched early next year.
As a member of Honda's hybrid product family, GAC Honda's tenth-generation Accord (ACCORD) Star Limited Edition also ushered in its debut. Its appearance is in "Star Blue" color, and the front face is equipped with shiny black wheels and electroplated black front. Exclusive decoration of grille. In addition, Guangqi Honda also launched the VE-1+, which increased the cruising range of the new product to 470km (NEDC operating conditions). VE-1+ also adds VE-1 S+ sports models for consumers to choose from.
According to the official introduction, Honda is developing an evolutionary upgrade version of Honda SENSING, which will use an ultra-wide-angle front camera and a 360-degree microwave radar to improve its ability to sense the surrounding environment and its accuracy. In order to introduce the technology to the Chinese market as soon as possible, Honda is about to carry out corresponding driving tests on actual roads in China.
They were still limited by the token system though unfortunately. And unfortunately, they also didn't have a say (influence) on the engine rules since they were late to the party. Mercedes apparently started working on their hybrid turbo era engine as early as 2007.
I had no idea MB was working on their new power unit 4 years before the new regulations were rubber stamped and 7 years before they went into effect. /s
Honda announced 1.5 years after the regs were approved that they would be returning to F1 for the 2015 season. I find it highly suspect that they weren't working on a new engine during that 1.5 year timeframe. Secondly, MB didn't have the advantage of participating in the sport during the previous turbo era, when the Honda powered McLarens dominated.
I will not deny that McLarens packaging requirements made it very difficult for Honda to provide a competitive engine, but they still have not put out a consistently competitive powerunit. Renault on the other hand - who had not been performing well in previous seasons - seems to have leapfrogged Honda.
AFAIK, there were three Major Power Unit generations and architectures for the modern 2015-2020 Honda motors
1) 2015-2016 1G PU RA615H/RA616H : Extremely tight packaging and used a revolutionary axial flow compressor design which had LOTS of teething problems. The turbo didn't reap any of the benefits of the compact design and the tighness of the overall power unit caused overheating and made it very difficult to work on. The whole "size zero" concept promoted by McLaren and Ron Dennis was kinda a disaster, there were all sorts of heat problems due to the packaging that led to literally boxing themselves into a corner with little room to allow cooling solutions.
2) 2017 RA617H 2G : Honda hired a former senior F1 engine designer from Ferrari (which was the opposite of the mid 1990's when Ferrari hired the former chief Honda F2 engine designer). The ICE was a disaster as there was alot of vibration due to the change of fuel vendor's but mostly the poor design of the combustion chamber irregular burning due to the 2 stage diesel approach (rich spark plug light off chamber and lean combustion that MB revolutionized. It's very tricky from a engineering point of view to get that 2-stage combustion to work across wide RPM and load. MB's Andy Cowell and his team pulled it off on their first modern PU in 2014. The vibration caused alot of secondary system failures and some ICE internal failures. The former Ferrari was fired.
3) 2018-2020 RA618H, RA619H, RA620H : Honda did a massive reset of the ICE, turbo and hybrid electrical which brough a decent stable foundation for ICE, MGH, MGK, electronics and battery which Torro Roso and Red Bull have reaped some of the benefits. Still slow going progress but at least the power is competitive and reliable. They also sucked up their pride and basically copied the MB long split turbo (front axial compressor, middle MGH, rear axial turbine).
One thing I've read (Autocourse) is Honda F1 engineering has suffered alot of internal personel turnover due to all the failures ands stress put on the staff from McLaren and Honda management.
One thing wanted to add, the whole Honda/McLaren partnership was a disaster which I'm guessing was due to a variety of factors. In 2014, McLaren had a mostly sorted PU from MB. Andy Cowell in his F1 YouTube interview talks about how many design changes occured throughout the season where they learned as experienced the whole hybrid. Then with a new Honda PU for 2015 and new Honda engine team, I think Ron Dennis had unrealistic expectations even though he knew that when McLaren partnered with Honda in 1988, the turbo engine then was very well proven after 5 years of design and development in actual F1 seasons. The zero packaging concept was a poor choose for the 1st season back. It woulda been better suited to give up a few inches of room for package size to allow better cooling and allow simplier design changes to modify smaller components. The relationship was never good especially Alonso's radio comments which were poorly received at Honda from what's been written in the press. Honda also was late to the hybrid era, and also started with a fresh design/engineering team which were under alot of pressure from both Honda and McLaren management to have to rapid success.
AFAIK, there were three Major Power Unit generations and architectures for the modern 2015-2020 Honda motors
1) 2015-2016 1G PU RA615H/RA616H : Extremely tight packaging and used a revolutionary axial flow compressor design which had LOTS of teething problems. The turbo didn't reap any of the benefits of the compact design and the tighness of the overall power unit caused overheating and made it very difficult to work on. The whole "size zero" concept promoted by McLaren and Ron Dennis was kinda a disaster, there were all sorts of heat problems due to the packaging that led to literally boxing themselves into a corner with little room to allow cooling solutions.
2) 2017 RA617H 2G : Honda hired a former senior F1 engine designer from Ferrari (which was the opposite of the mid 1990's when Ferrari hired the former chief Honda F1 engine designer). The ICE was a disaster as there was alot of vibration due to the change of fuel vendor's but mostly the poor design of the combustion chamber irregular burning due to the 2 stage diesel approach (rich spark plug light off chamber and lean combustion that MB revolutionized. It's very tricky from a engineering point of view to get that 2-stage combustion to work across wide RPM and load. MB's Andy Cowell and his team pulled it off on their first modern PU in 2014. The vibration caused alot of secondary system failures and some ICE internal failures. The former Ferrari designer was fired.
3) 2018-2020 RA618H, RA619H, RA620H : Honda did a massive reset of the ICE, turbo and hybrid electrical which brough a decent stable foundation for ICE, MGH, MGK, electronics and battery which Torro Roso and Red Bull have reaped some of the benefits. Still slow going progress but at least the power is competitive and reliable. They also sucked up their pride and basically copied the MB long split turbo (front centrifugal compressor, middle MGH, rear centrifugal turbine).
Yea I think it's very clear that right now, MB is in front, and Ferrari is dead last. Honda and Renault, it's hard to say who has the upper hand in terms of both reliability and power.
My best guess is that Honda is slightly more powerful than Renault. I feel that the Honda is more powerful as Sainz was not able to overtake Gasly at Monza, a power track, despite both having the same tires with no pit strategy involved. And that it's obvious that McLaren has a better chassis than the Alpha Tauri. The McLaren made up a lot of time through the corners, but on the straight, it just couldn't keep up or make the move with DRS.
In terms of reliability, there are 4 Honda's and 4 Renaults. Sainz had an engine problem at Spa, Ocon had an engine problem at Styria, and Ricciardo had an engine issue at Austria. Max had engine issues at Austria and Monza, and Gasly at Hungary. It's 3 engine issues vs 3 engine issues. Pretty similar.
I'd pretty much agree with that. MBZ > REN/HON > FER for now. With the REN/HON cars, it's down to setup/chassis for who comes out ahead, except for Max, who seems to be able to extract the near limit of what the RBR/HON can offer.
Yea I think it's very clear that right now, MB is in front, and Ferrari is dead last. Honda and Renault, it's hard to say who has the upper hand in terms of both reliability and power.
My best guess is that Honda is slightly more powerful than Renault. I feel that the Honda is more powerful as Sainz was not able to overtake Gasly at Monza, a power track, despite both having the same tires with no pit strategy involved. And that it's obvious that McLaren has a better chassis than the Alpha Tauri. The McLaren made up a lot of time through the corners, but on the straight, it just couldn't keep up or make the move with DRS.
In terms of reliability, there are 4 Honda's and 4 Renaults. Sainz had an engine problem at Spa, Ocon had an engine problem at Styria, and Ricciardo had an engine issue at Austria. Max had engine issues at Austria and Monza, and Gasly at Hungary. It's 3 engine issues vs 3 engine issues. Pretty similar.
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I'd pretty much agree with that. MBZ > REN/HON > FER for now. With the REN/HON cars, it's down to setup/chassis for who comes out ahead, except for Max, who seems to be able to extract the near limit of what the RBR/HON can offer.
+1 The advantage MB has over the McLaren and Racing Point is their exclusive fuel supplier is Petronas which the MB ICE combustion chamber is tailored for. So supposedly the MB PU is not as powerful without that fuel.
And the big Honda news today is they're quitting F1 after the 2021 season. Just announced a few hours ago, imagine Christine Horner is probably making lots of phones calls now. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...l/4885092/amp/
ID.3, Polestar 2 and Honda electric cars bag German ‘Car of the Year’ awards
The Honda e won Best Car in the ‘New Energy’ category, awarded to vehicles with alternative powertrains, which nominated all new EVs and newly-introduced EV versions of existing series, as well as vehicles with hydrogen drives.
Online 178 page book of Honda's 50 years in the US, Just briefly scanned through a few pages, highly informative.
Came out in 2009, so a little dated but nice chronicle of Honda in the US.
Last page of the book, pretty cool story.
Many stories have become part of the legend of Mr. Soichiro Honda.
At their essence, most have a common theme — revealing a man who always placed the highest priority
on serving the needs of people and who fashioned a business around that ideal.
In 1990, following the grand opening of American Honda’s new Torrance headquarters, a special dinner was held
in honor of Mr. Honda in Newport Beach, Calif. He surprised and pleased the audience of Honda and Acura dealers and
American Honda associates with a touching gesture of thanks. Willie Tokishi, then vice president of community relations
recalls the event: “Mr. Honda was seated across from me, and I could see that he was quite restless, like something was
wrong. He was looking around the room, and finally he pointed to a waiter across the hall. We didn’t know what he
wanted at first, but he was gesturing for the waiter’s jacket. I was a little concerned, but Mrs. Honda said it was OK.
I explained to the waiter that Mr. Honda would like his jacket and Mr. Honda stood up, took off his own coat and put on
the waiter’s jacket. Apparently, he had been looking around the room for someone his size! Then, he put the napkin
on his arm and took the bottle and served wine to everyone in the room. There was quite a bit of excitement and
satisfaction. He made quite an impression.”
For Soichiro Honda, a customer was not only the person who bought one of his products.
A customer was virtually anyone he encountered.
The ultimate lesson of Soichiro Honda is that we can all find joy in serving others.
Honda to stop selling ICE only cars for Europe in 2022
Hybrids and all-electric cars are the direction in the near future.
These are the last years of the conventional Honda cars in Europe, as the Japanese company is entering the path of electrification, leaving gasoline and diesel models in the rearview mirror.
According to Autocar, Ian Howells - Senior Vice President of Honda Motor Europe - said that Honda will stop selling ICE cars in Europe in 2022.
That's not strange, considering that already in 2020 the average emission results were too high for Honda, which forced it to enter into a CO2 pooling arrangement with Tesla.
There is no point in selling conventional cars and then paying fines or buying credits. Manufacturers must sell cars that stay within the allowed emission requirements in the European Union. In the case of Honda, it will be achieved by the switch to hybrid and all-electric cars. The new Jazz is already offered only as a hybrid in Europe. The Honda e is BEV-only.
2020 Honda Jazz E:HEV
Honda eThis is just the beginning, as in the longer term the company will move away also from hybrids:
“It [Honda’s line-up] will be a combination of full electric and hybrid. Obviously, if the legislation starts to move as we approach 2035, or transitions away from hybrid as well, then we’ll move our technology away from that.”
Honda notes also that today it's difficult to go all-electric from a simple reason of economics. BEVs are "a third to 50% more expensive than a conventional or hybrid vehicle". Hybrids on the other hand "don’t take us the full way".
Believe it or not, there are companies other than Tesla that keep chasing the autonomous driving dream. We say that because, whereas three or so years ago, not a day passed without us hearing something coming from this emergent industry, things have clearly cooled down.
But they’ll probably heat up once more, and one of the first signs of that is the announcement made by Honda that GM’s Cruise autonomous vehicle (AV) will begin testing in Japan soon.
The move is made possible by the fact that Honda agreed back in 2018 to pump $2 billion over the next 12 years in Cruise, the GM offshoot company tasked with making AVs. The announced plan at the time was to have whatever technology is developed launched into service as the backbone of some future mobility service, and perhaps even delivery business.
According to Honda, by the end of the year, the first AVs will be on Japanese roads for testing. No specifics were provided, other that these machines will support Honda’s upcoming autonomous vehicle mobility service (MaaS).
“This collaboration with Cruise will enable the creation of new value for mobility and people’s daily lives. which we strive for under Honda’s 2030 Vision of serving people worldwide with the joy of expanding their life’s potential,” said in a statement Takahiro Hachigo, President & Representative Director, Honda.
“Through active collaboration with partners who share the same interests and aspirations, Honda will continue to accelerate the realization of our autonomous vehicle MaaS business in Japan.”
As is, Cruise Origin will eventually be a weirdly-shaped vehicle with no steering wheel, no rearview mirror, or pedals, which is to say it will be a full Level 5. That’s not what the Japanese will get though this year: Cruise will probably fit Origin hardware on an existing platform and send it on its merry way.
Honda developed a four-layer cabin air filter that's like a face mask for your car. Announced in January 2021, the filter joined the firm's catalog of genuine spare parts in Europe, where it's compatible with a long list of models.
German group Freudenberg helped Honda design the virus-zapping air filter, which is known as the Kurumask in Japan. Its first two layers consist of microfibers that trap viral aerosols, pollen, and dust to ensure they don't make their way into the cabin. The third layer is made of activated charcoal which absorbs harmful particulates and acid gases, while the fourth is coated with an active substance of fruit extract that, according to Honda, inactivates nearly 100% of the viral aerosols it captures. In other words, it traps most viruses and germs and quickly kills them.
Honda evidently linked its new air filter to the coronavirus pandemic, but it stressed that it started developing the part before the virus began making headlines; Honda merely fast-tracked it due to the outbreak. It's important to not forget there are numerous other airborne diseases that can make people sick. The filter also keeps common allergens out of the cabin, which promises to provide much-needed relief as spring approaches.
Across the pond, Honda dealers started selling the cabin air filter (which earned the Premium label) in March 2021. It's compatible with all recent Honda models sold in Europe, and according to a Honda spokesperson, it will only be offered in Europe.
The company showed this concept off for China, but perhaps it hints at what we'll see, too.
HondaHonda's first electric vehicles for the US are starting to take shape. After a January report naming two EVs coming for America from the Japanese automaker, the Associated Press reported Thursday on remarks from an executive confirming the plans. Dave Gardner, Honda America's sales boss, said confirmed details from the past report saying one EV will be for Honda, and the other will be for Acura.
He further confirmed these two EVs will roll on General Motors' EV architecture and should launch for 2024. Honda confirmed the information with Roadshow, which lines up pretty squarely with the report a couple months ago.
If the GM tie sounds odd, recall Honda and the US' largest automaker partnered to create a North American alliance. The buddy system will see GM and Honda share technology, platforms and related EV systems. So far, it seems like Honda's the biggest beneficiary with plans to use GM platforms and even toss OnStar into the co-created vehicles. Gardner said while the EVs' bones will be GM, the bodies riding atop will be all Honda, however.
He didn't speak to where these new SUVs will be built, but the past report mentioned Mexico and the US. Specifically, the Acura model may roll out alongside Cadillac XT6, XT5 and company in Tennessee. Meanwhile, the Honda could slot into the Mexican production line where GM builds the Chevrolet Blazer and more.
Honda has revealed a new concept at the Shanghai Auto Show, currently under way. Its rather uncreative and strangely punctuated name, Honda SUV e:prototype, describes exactly what it is — an all-electric sport utility vehicle.
With the Honda e electric city hatchback receiving good reviews, it only makes sense that Honda would follow up with a similar concept in a crossover form factor. It's called an SUV, but in Asia the term encompasses both crossovers and ladder-frame truck-based vehicles (if you're talking specifically about the latter, you'd say 4x4 or 4WD). And yes, SUVs are overtaking the market in China too.
More importantly, Honda has big plans for electrification in China. The company says this show car is the first of 10 fully electric vehicles it plans to introduce there in the next five years.
Honda was tight-lipped about the specs, but it's an evolution of the Honda SUV e:concept shown in Beijing in 2020. Unlike its predecessor, it has four doors and what appears to be an actual charging port behind the Honda emblem on the nose.
The massive, roadkill-swallowing air intakes are gone, replaced with a sheer surface that features a pair of (probably non-production) LED light strips at the bottom. Those lights wrap around the rocker panels as well. Overall, the styling evokes a slightly fancier HR-V, with a contrasting roof and more chiseled flanks.
The prototype is equipped with the third-generation of the Honda Connect system. It's said to depend heavily on voice recognition, and will be able to operate smart home appliances, enable online shopping while driving (!), access vehicle functions via a smartphone, and update software OTA. It updates existing nav and infotainment as well, and will begin rolling out on Honda vehicles later this year.
The SUV e:prototype looks production-ready, and it wouldn't be surprising to see a roadworthy version soon. We can only hope it will have a name like Honda SUV e:production.
Hell @YEH Honda own EV is coming second half of decade when Solid state batteries will be affordable and reliable.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...v-committment/ After the Ultium-powered EVs arrive, Honda will introduce its own electric-vehicle platform called e:Architecture. The company says these models will arrive in the "second half of the 2020s" and that they'll go on sale in North America before they reach other global markets.
Starting from the second half of the 2020s, Honda will launch a series of new EV models which adopt e:Architecture, a completely new EV platform led by Honda. These EV models will first be introduced to the North American market, and then to other regions of the world.
In China, we have been introducing EV models while utilizing local resources, and we will further accelerate this approach from here forward. We will introduce 10 Honda-brand EV models within five years. As the first of the 10 models, the mass-production model based on the Honda SUV e:prototype is scheduled to go on sale in spring 2022.
We will further pursue the utilization of local resources, which includes strengthening our collaboration with CATL for the supply of batteries, which are core components for electrified vehicles.
In Japan, we will strive for an EV/FCV unit sales ratio of 20% by 2030, 80% by 2035 and 100% by 2040. Also, including hybrid-electric vehicles, we will strive to electrify 100% of our automobile unit sales in Japan by 2030.
Including the first introduction of an EV model in the K-car segment in 2024, we will continue making progress in the electrification of our mini-vehicles with both hybrid and EV models.
For the procurement of batteries, we will strive to realize a “local production and local procurement” approach in Japan, which also will contribute to the growth of domestic industries in Japan.
In order to secure the high competitiveness of our EVs of the future, Honda is conducting independent research on all-solid-state batteries as the next generation batteries which will realize high capacity and low cost. We will undertake the verification of production technology using a demonstration line, starting this fiscal year. We will begin accelerating this research with an aim to make all-solid-state batteries available for our new models to be introduced in the second half of the 2020s.
3. Research & Development Initiatives
In order for Honda to keep making progress in its environmental and safety initiatives, it becomes essential for us to invest aggressively in the area of research and development. Therefore, regardless of fluctuations in our sales revenue, Honda will invest a total of approximately 5 trillion yen as R&D expenses over the next six years. As of last fiscal year, we enabled Honda R&D to focus on the research of advanced technologies, and we are conducting research on leading-edge environmental and safety technologies for the realization of a society that aims for zero environmental impact and a collision-free society. Also, we are making progress with research on technologies which will expand mobility into the 3rd and 4th dimensions, into the skies, the ocean, outer space and the area of robotics.We will strengthen our original research of technologies by ensuring optimal allocation of resources into the area of advanced and cutting-edge technologies.
First I've seen of the current F1 gasoline ICE ignition chambers technology potentially used in a production ICE engine.
The same result can be achieved by upgrading the tires on the Superbike.... and there are only 2 tires compare to 4 tires on cars.
IMO, Honda wasted their $... tires are cheaper.
Hmmm, kind of a new spin on Honda's old CVCC engine, but with a twist (literally).
+1, worked on some CVCC back in the late 70's and early 80's. Those little CVCC intake valves were unique.
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The same result can be achieved by upgrading the tires on the Superbike.... and there are only 2 tires compare to 4 tires on cars.
IMO, Honda wasted their $... tires are cheaper.
meh, tires are traction/friction components and do not make power/torque so that doesn't make sense. Yes, they transmit forces to the pavement but they do not make power.
Beside, tires that give Honda an advantage are generally also available to Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ducatti,...None of them manufacture tires, this tech was generating more energy per cylinder cycle with unique combustion light-off.
+1, worked on some CVCC back in the late 70's and early 80's. Those little CVCC intake valves were unique.
I think you and I are dating ourselves. The engine was kinda-sorta cool, but then there was that 3-bbl carburetor; that thing was a pain in the hind parts to overhaul.
+1, worked on some CVCC back in the late 70's and early 80's. Those little CVCC intake valves were unique.
meh, tires are traction/friction components and do not make power/torque so that doesn't make sense. Yes, they transmit forces to the pavement but they do not make power.
Beside, tires that give Honda an advantage are generally also available to Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ducatti,...None of them manufacture tires, this tech was generating more energy per cylinder cycle with unique combustion light-off.
Doesnt make sense? You clearly dont know Honda's superiority....
Upgraded tires on any Honda product do make power. and No.. the tires only work on Honda, not other brands.
I think you and I are dating ourselves. The engine was kinda-sorta cool, but then there was that 3-bbl carburetor; that thing was a pain in the hind parts to overhaul.
Yeah the little 3rd barrel carb that was between the two larger side draft CV type carb's. Remember all the numbered vacuum lines and the associated vacuum line diagram labels under the hood?
Worked on some carbureted Prelude and couple Accords before I got my first Honda in the mid-80's.
Yeah the little 3rd barrel carb that was between the two larger side draft CV type carb's. Remember all the numbered vacuum lines and the associated vacuum line diagram labels under the hood?
Worked on some carbureted Prelude and couple Accords before I got my first Honda in the mid-80's.
I remember opening the hood of my first CVCC patient, a yellow Civic wagon, and seeing all of the vacuum hoses and thinking, "Seriously?", or at least something akin to that, but probably not as PG rated.
I remember opening the hood of my first CVCC patient, a yellow Civic wagon, and seeing all of the vacuum hoses and thinking, "Seriously?", or at least something akin to that, but probably not as PG rated.
Here's some painful memories for us
I was also truly amazed each and every small vacuum line had a number printed on it as well.
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meh, tires are traction/friction components and do not make power/torque so that doesn't make sense. Yes, they transmit forces to the pavement but they do not make power.
