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Old 03-01-2022, 01:17 PM
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If it was a real deal, level 4, straight from the Lord himself autonomous driving, you'd think they would make our roads safer by enrolling shitty drivers into it.
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Sony took just about everyone by surprise at the 2020 CES when it unveiled the Vision-S as a sleek electric sedan. The Vision-S 02 SUV followed at the beginning of this year at the same show in Las Vegas. At CES in January, the Sony Mobility division was announced to explore a potential entry into the electric car segment. A few weeks later, [i]Automotive News reported about Sony's desire to find strategic partners.

Fast forward to March 4, Sony has found a partner in Honda. The two companies have agreed to deepen discussions in regard to forming an alliance to develop and sell EVs. To make it happen, a joint venture simply called "New Company" will be created to develop and commercialize zero-emission cars. The immediate objective is to create the new… New Company before the end of the year.

If everything will go according to plan, the first EV is scheduled to go on sale as early as 2025. As expected, Honda will be in charge of making the car at one of its own factories and will utilize a Sony-developed platform. It's too soon to say whether the road-going model will be related in any way to the already revealed Vision-S sedan or SUV.

It's worth noting the two concepts weren't an all-Sony effort as the company collaborated with some of the biggest names out there: Magna Steyr, Bosch, ZF, Continental, Nvidia, and Qualcomm. Development of the electric sedan unveiled a couple of years ago never stopped, thus suggesting the company had a much bigger agenda than just a concept.

Both body styles came with all-wheel drive by installing an electric motor at the front and another at the rear with a combined 536 horsepower (400 kilowatts). The sedan could do 0 to 62 mph (100 km/h) in 4.8 seconds and top out at 149 mph (240 km/h). The SUV was slower since it weighed an extra 287 pounds (130 kilograms), at a porky 5,467 lbs (2,480 kg).While the sedan was a four-seat affair, its high-riding counterpart could accommodate up to seven people. Details about the battery were never released, aside from being an "ultra-thin" pack housed underneath the floor to maximize cabin space. The platform itself has been engineered not just for sedans and SUVs, but also for minivans and other types of cars.

All things considered, it looks as though Sony will be beating Apple to the EV punch as Cupertino's on-again, off-again car is still at a rumor stage after all these years.
Sony And Honda Creating Joint Venture To Develop And Sell EVs From 2025 (motor1.com)
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Last week, CarBuzz dug up nine Honda patent applications with the European Union Intellectual Property Office that could signal a westward expansion of the automaker's aims. Honda's been showing conceptual electric vehicles in China over the last 18 months. At Auto Beijing in 2020 we saw the E:Concept two-door crossover. Come the Shanghai Auto Show in April 2021, the E had been shrunk to e for a redesigned, four-door electric crossover called the e:Prototype. Then at Auto Beijing in October 2021, Honda showed five EV concepts for the Chinese market to be sold under a regional sub-brand called e:N; of those five, the first production models were to be called e:NS1 and e:NP1, both looking like remade versions of the HR-V. That's the long way of setting the table for the EUIPO filings—it's expected the nine electric vehicle name applications from e:Ny2 to e:Ny9 would potentially become production EVs for Europe. The range of models on the way will sit on a trio of platforms devoted to front-, rear- and all-wheel-drive vehicles.

Honda didn't include e:Ny1 in the patent applications, which started with e:Ny2. Perhaps the first number was saved for conceptual use, because a few days later, Honda showed Europe an e:Ny1 prototype. Car magazine says it is pronounced "Anyone." It looks like the HR-V that Honda sells in Europe and Japan now, which itself looks like the e:Prototype Honda revealed in Shanghai last April. Honda Europe execs said it presages a B-segment electric crossover that will "be at the center of Honda’s future product line-up" there, targeting "families looking for their first EV." That puts it about the size of the Honda Jazz/Fit on which the Euro HR-V is based. The crossover model is expected in 2023, sitting on a stretched version of the Honda e architecture to carry a bigger battery enabling a longer range than the 137 miles possible in the Honda e, as well as "greater space, versatility and, range." If it cribs from the e:Ns1 and e:NP1 in China, the European EV will fit a 68.8-kWh battery. In China, that pack is good for a 311-mile range.

Next year also sees the market launch of a hybrid, C-segment crossover that will be about the size of the current CR-V. It fills the space that will be abandoned by the new-generation CR-V, which will grow and offer hybrid and PHEV powertrains.

We've read that the e represents Honda's eTechnology, the N stands for new or next. As for platforms, we know the front-driver is called the e:N Architecture F. All the electrified debuts slated for 2023, following new hybrid offerings like the European Civic Hybrid, will "set the course for the next generation of electrified Honda cars," according to Honda.
Honda launching new EV, hybrid crossovers in Europe next year (autoblog.com)
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When Elon Musk said Tesla would build a humanoid robot and put a person in a Spandex suit dancing on a stage, it looked like a joke. Despite that, the Tesla CEO has since said it was for real and that it would be a panacea. If that were really the case, Honda would probably have sold the Asimo, but it announced it would retire the humanoid robot instead.
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The first generation of Asimo was presented in October 2000 in Japan, and it made its first public appearance in the U.S. at the New York Stock Exchange. Asimo may look just like a tribute to Isaac Asimov. However, it is an acronym for Advanced Step in Innovative Mobility.

Honda proudly presents it as “the world’s most advanced humanoid robot” on the outdated website it created for this machine. Born at 1.20 meters (47 inches), Asimo retained that height in its first three generations, which used nickel-metal hydride batteries. The humanoid robot grew slightly in the four final ones, presented in 2004, 2005, 2007, and 2011. These 1.30-meter (51-in) robots already had lithium-ion cells.

The fact that Honda did not present any new generation after 2011 is a clear indication that the company lost interest in further developing the little robot. To be fair, Honda had already warned it would not continue the commercial development of the Asimo after 2018. If Honda gave up on that, that must have two reasons: either there was no market for such a robot, or it would be too expensive ever to justify mass production.

For fans of robotics, that was a pity: Asimo was capable of walking on two legs, recognizing people, gestures, sounds, and faces. That made it able to interact with people. The little robot could walk at 2.7 kph (1.7 mph) and run at 9 kph (5.6 mph). It could also jump and kick soccer balls.

Honda used to put Asimo to perform regular shows at its Tokyo head office. The last one was on March 31. According to NHK, it even danced – without wearing a Spandex suit and with no human inside it. Honda said it will keep Asimo on display and will try to develop avatar robots instead
While Tesla Promises a Humanoid Robot, Honda Retires the Asimo - autoevolution
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GM and Honda Will Codevelop Affordable EVs Targeting the World’s Most Popular Vehicle Segments

April 5, 2022 — DETROIT / TOKYO
  • New EV series expected to go on sale in 2027 starting in North America
  • Honda and GM collaboration designed to enable global production of millions of EVs
  • Companies will explore opportunities for advanced battery collaboration

General Motors (NYSE: GM) and Honda (NYSE: HMC) today announced plans to expand the two companies’ relationship to a new chapter by codeveloping a series of affordable electric vehicles based on a new global architecture using next-generation Ultium battery technology.

The companies are working together to enable global production of millions of EVs starting in 2027, including compact crossover vehicles, leveraging the two companies’ technology, design and sourcing strategies. The companies will also work toward standardizing equipment and processes to achieve world-class quality, higher throughput and greater affordability. The compact crossover segment is the largest in the world, with annual volumes of more than 13 million vehicles.

GM and Honda also will discuss future EV battery technology collaboration opportunities, to further drive down the cost of electrification, improve performance and drive sustainability for future vehicles.

GM is already working to accelerate new technologies like lithium-metal, silicon and solid-state batteries, along with production methods that can quickly be used to improve and update battery cell manufacturing processes. Honda is making progress on its all-solid-state battery technology which the company sees as the core element of future EVs. Honda has established a demonstration line in Japan for all-solid-state batteries and is making further progress toward mass-production.

“GM and Honda will share our best technology, design and manufacturing strategies to deliver affordable and desirable EVs on a global scale, including our key markets in North America, South America and China,” said Mary Barra, GM chair and CEO. “This is a key step to deliver on our commitment to achieve carbon neutrality in our global products and operations by 2040 and eliminate tailpipe emissions from light duty vehicles in the U.S. by 2035. By working together, we’ll put people all over the world into EVs faster than either company could achieve on its own.”

“Honda is committed to reaching our goal of carbon neutrality on a global basis by 2050, which requires driving down the cost of electric vehicles to make EV ownership possible for the greatest number of customers,” said Toshihiro Mibe, Honda president & CEO. “Honda and GM will build on our successful technology collaboration to help achieve a dramatic expansion in the sales of electric vehicles.”

"The progress we have made with GM since we announced the EV battery development collaboration in 2018, followed by co-development of electric vehicles including the Honda Prologue, has demonstrated the win-win relationship that can create new value for our customers,” said Shinji Aoyama, Honda senior managing executive officer. “This new series of affordable EVs will build on this relationship by leveraging our strength in the development and production of high quality, compact class vehicles.”

“Our collaboration with Honda and the continuing development of Ultium are the foundation of this project, utilizing our global scale to enable a lower cost foundation for this new series of EVs for millions of customers,” said Doug Parks, GM executive vice president, Global Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain. “Our plans include a new all-electric product for North America positioned at a price point lower than the upcoming Chevrolet Equinox EV, building on the 2 million units of EV capacity the company plans to install by the end of 2025.”

GM and Honda have developed a close working relationship over many years, including several projects in recent years focused on electric and autonomous vehicle technologies.In 2013, the two companies began working together on the co-development of a next-generation fuel cell system and hydrogen storage technologies. In 2018, Honda joined GM’s EV battery module development efforts. In 2020, GM and Honda announced plans to codevelop two EVs, including the Honda Prologue, to be launched in early 2024, soon followed by Acura’s first EV SUV. Further, the companies have an ongoing relationship with Cruise and are working together on the development of the Cruise Origin, one of the first purpose-built fully autonomous vehicles designed for driverless ride-hail and delivery.

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Honda Automobile Electrification News – Live Global Media Briefing Invite

April 5, 2022

Honda has set ambitious global electrification targets aiming for 100% electrified automobile sales by 2040. We would like for you to join a live online media briefing by our global CEO and senior Honda Motor executives, where they will share new details about recent progress and anticipated challenges moving forward.

Details about the briefing are below, including links to view the briefing live (or later recorded) in English or Japanese.

What: Honda Automobile Electrification Global Media Briefing - Focus on the progress of Honda’s electrification efforts and anticipated challenges moving forward

When: Monday, April 11, 2022, at 9:00 pm ET/6:00 pm PT (Japan time: April 12 10:00 am JST)

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Toshihiro Mibe, President and CEO of Honda Motor Co., Ltd.
Kohei Takeuchi, Executive Vice President, Honda Motor Co., Ltd.
Shinji Aoyama, Senior Managing Executive Officer
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Honda is not only a car manufacturer. It is also a relevant motorcycle and power units producer. Think about all it will have to do to adapt these businesses to feed on electricity. The Japanese company explained its plans to achieve that and revealed it would have two sports cars and a pickup truck powered by batteries.
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Although this is what will stand out to car lovers, it is far from being the most crucial aspect of the company’s plans. These new vehicles are just 10% of the 30 EVs Honda plans to sell worldwide by 2030. Apart from the electric pickup truck, the sports cars will not help much in achieving 2 million EVs until then, as Honda plans to do.

In the next ten years, the Japanese company will invest 5 trillion yen ($39.8 billion at the current exchange rate) in electrification and software development. The total investments in R&D (research and development) in the same period will reach 8 trillion yen ($63.6 billion), which denotes that Honda will put money into more than just electrification and software.

We have a clue about that when Honda states it will invest in carbon-neutral fuels. As we have mentioned before, the company is relevant in power unit manufacturing. We should add that Honda is the world’s largest producer of these power units, which shows a big chunk of profits come from them. Investing in such fuels shows Honda expects to keep them as they currently are – which is a pity.

As we have said more than once, combustion engines are not a problem only for burning fossil fuels. Even if they burn carbon-neutral fuels such as ethanol, they’ll still produce all other pollutants the combustion process generates, such as carbon monoxide, ozone, nitrogen oxides, ammonia, hydrocarbons, and particulates. Honda could invest in power units with fuel cells instead. Considering the company also said it would invest in this tech, that may be on the plans.

Most of Honda’s electrification efforts will be in China. It will have ten new EVs for sale there by 2027. That’s related to the Chinese government’s goals for the massive adoption of NEVs (new energy vehicles). In North America, it will sell two EVs until 2024: the Prologue and an Acura electric SUV, probably the Prologue with some design differences.

In Japan, Honda will create an electric kei car for both personal and commercial uses. Honda calls it a “mini EV.” It will cost around 1 million yen ($7,955) when it is introduced by 2024. The company also plans to have an electric SUV for sale by then in its home market.

To ensure it has all the batteries it will need, Honda made a partnership with GM for North America. It is also studying a joint venture to manufacture cells in the region. In China, the Japanese company has a deal with CATL. Envision AESC is Honda’s partner in Japan for its electric kei car.

Things will start to accelerate in 2026. That’s when the carmaker will debut its Honda e: Architecture. The company did not share many details about it apart from a slide that shows it will have a software platform (a vehicle operating system) and will be able to work with OTA (over-the-air) updates.

Regarding the electric sports cars, Honda said one will be a specialty vehicle and the other a flagship. The profiles suggest a new NSX as the flagship and a very similarly shaped vehicle – although a bit taller – as the specialty EV. Honda could call it anything: Prelude may be fitting, but S2000 would imply a roadster.

Among the shapes that Honda presented to talk about the 30 electric vehicles it intends to have by 2030, we can see one in which the Ridgeline would fit perfectly. Electric pickup trucks will be essential for the American market, especially if Honda already has solid-state batteries to power them.

The Japanese company said that the development of these cells will have a demonstration line operating by spring 2024. Honda will invest 43 billion yen ($342 million) to create this pilot manufacturing line and said a car with these cells will arrive “in the second half of the 2020s.”
Honda's Electric Plans Include Two Sports Cars and a Pickup Truck - autoevolution
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I sure hope that the one on the left is a S2k successor with a manual. Don't care if there's an electric boost part of it but light, fun to drive, manual would go a long way to save this brand and their image.
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At least Honda is proposing swapable batteries
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with how things are, i would not be surprised Honda reveals an EV called S2000 and it is a CUV
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Nah, they're not Mitsu. You wouldn't think Honda would ruin a long running naming scheme. But then, the Odyssey & Passport were ATVs & are now a Van & SUV
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with how things are, i would not be surprised Honda reveals an EV called S2000 and it is a CUV
I'll take it one step further and say they'll skip the S2000 completely and revive the Super Blackbird name. Or I suppose since it's electric, it'll be the new EU2400i.
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Nah, they're not Mitsu. You wouldn't think Honda would ruin a long running naming scheme. But then, the Odyssey & Passport were ATVs & are now a Van & SUV
Well and Ford. I am sure there will be others.

Actually if Honda was smart, they would do just that to get the hype up... given that EV is actually competitive.

I am sure they wont offer something mediocre and ruin everything.... oh wait
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Well and Ford. I am sure there will be others.

Actually if Honda was smart, they would do just that to get the hype up... given that EV is actually competitive.

I am sure they wont offer something mediocre and ruin everything.... oh wait
This is Honda we’re talking about, not Acura
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Call it the S2000 and toss in the 2.0L turbo 4 from the accord with a mild hybrid system just to appease the tree huggers.
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Dongfeng Honda, one of Honda's automobile production and sales joint venture in China, has begun local sales of the e:NS1 EV on April 26. The electric subcompact SUV is priced from 175,000 yuan ($26,700) to 218,000 yuan ($33,230).

GAC Honda, Honda's other joint venture in China, will begin taking reservations for the essentially identical e:NP1 EV in May 2022. Based on the global version of the third-generation Honda HR-V, the e:NS1 and e:NP1 inaugurate the automaker's e:N Series family of models. The first Honda-brand EV models in China are based on the e:N Architecture F, which consists of a front-mounted electric motor making 150 kW (201 hp) and 310 Nm (228 lb-ft) of torque and a 68.8-kWh ternary lithium-ion battery offering a driving range of up to 317 miles (510 kilometers) on China's CLTC cycle.

The e:NS1 and e:NP1 feature the latest connectivity technologies available in China, including Honda Connect 3.0, the new-generation connected technology developed exclusively for EVs that features AI intelligent voice and AR navigation functions.




The models also offer a 10.25-inch full LCD instrument panel and a 15.1-inch center screen with the e:N OS system, which is a fusion of Honda Sensing, Honda Connect, and Intelligent Digital Cockpit. A Driver Monitoring Camera (DMC), which detects potential dangerous behavior such as inattentive driving and an indication of drowsiness experienced by the driver, is available as well.

With the introduction of the e:NS1 and e:NP1, Honda will also fully launch its online stores in China. The entire process of ordering, from looking at various options to the placement of an order, can be done online through one-on-one direct communication.

At the same time, Honda will renew its existing showrooms, with GAC Honda to roll out EV-focused showrooms and build new showroom locations at shopping malls, starting from major cities such as Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou. As for Dongfeng Honda, it will install a section dedicated to the e:N Brand at each of its existing stores. The e:NS1 and e:NP1 are the first of 10 e:N Series models Honda plans to launch in China by 2027. Each of the two joint ventures will build a new dedicated EV production plant, with both facilities expected to become operational in 2024.
Honda e:NS1 Electric SUV Goes On Sale In China, Starts At $27,000 (insideevs.com)
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Honda expands its European lineup with the official announcement of the all-new ZR-V SUV. The high-riding model hits the European market in 2023 and slots between the HR-V and CR-V in the brand’s portfolio. Here’s what we know about the new crossover for the time being.

Not much, actually, as Honda doesn’t want to unveil additional details regarding this brand new moniker for now. The only piece of information currently available is that the ZR-V uses a hybrid powertrain and it will join the HR-V and the next-generation CR-V, both featuring electrified engines under the hood.

The new ZR-V is part of Honda’s strategy to overhaul its European lineup with hybrid models. The SUV joins the new Civic e:HEV which will go on sale on the Old continent in the third quarter of the year. It will be interesting to see whether the ZR-V will use the hybrid powertrain of the HR-V or the more powerful hybrid from the electrified Civic. We put our money on the latter as the ZR-V is reportedly based on the Civic.

Our colleagues from Motor1.com Spain obtained photos (see below) of the ZR-V for China and the version for Europe is probably going to look a lot like its Chinese sibling. In the People’s Republic, the crossover will be sold exclusively with a non-hybrid 1.5-liter turbo engine mated to a CVT. The model will be produced by GAC-Honda. The Z in the model’s name comes from Honda’s wish to meet “the mobility needs of Generation Z and breaking paradigms in search of new experiences.”

With the launch of the ZR-V in Europe, Honda will have just a single model without any electrification. The upcoming new Civic Type R will become the marque’s last purely combustion-powered vehicle on the continent, where it will use a 2.0-liter turbocharged engine with more than 300 horsepower.

It’s also worth noting that Honda is currently working on the next-generation CR-V, which is scheduled to go on sale in Europe next year with a hybrid engine range, most likely also including a plug-in hybrid.
2023 Honda ZR-V Announced As New C-Segment SUV For Europe (motor1.com)
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After the 2023 HR-V was launched in the U.S. as a bigger model, Honda continued to offer the HR-V in its old shape in Europe. Now, the Japanese want to bring another SUV model to Europe and China. The new ZR-V will slot between the HR-V and the CR-V in those markets. The first pictures reveal that the new ZR-V is, in fact, a rebadged American HR-V.
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Honda’s naming scheme looks more and more like a mess with overlapping nameplates in different markets for different vehicles or even different names for the same vehicles. It seems that Honda is taking inspiration from an old saying wrongly attributed to President Henry Truman: If you can’t convince them, confuse them.

First, there were two different HR-V crossovers, with the smaller one continuing its career in Europe, while a bigger model was recently introduced in the U.S. Now, there will be an American HR-V and a European ZR-V which turned out to be the same car, as Honda juggles nameplates and models to the point of confusion. This is obvious by comparing the pictures of the two SUVs.

The Chinese ZR-V will be fully unveiled in China on May 19, but the first pictures are already a week old. If it wasn’t for the Chinese characters and the different badging, we would’ve sworn it was the U.S.-spec 2023 Honda HR-V. The exterior design is nearly identical, although we can’t rule out that the Chinese version is actually longer. Chinese customers are notoriously fond of long-wheelbase models, and the double-panel panoramic sunroof on the ZR-V might support such claims.

Honda hasn’t revealed the ZR-V’s specifications just yet, but it would most probably share the technical details with the Civic and the Integra. We expect the Chinese version to be powered by a turbocharged 1.5-liter gasoline engine, although the Chinese market has started to move away from the ICE vehicles. It’s one of the reasons why Acura had to leave the market. This is why we’d rather place our bets on the European-bound e:HEV hybrid powertrain.

The pictures in the gallery also explain why the ZR-V won’t be coming to the U.S., although this is not guaranteed. We might see a bigger ZR-V in the U.S. at some point, which will later debut in Europe as the new CR-V, who knows?
Honda ZR-V for China and Europe Looks Like a Rebadged U.S.-Spec HR-V - autoevolution
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I’m surprised the Pilot and Passport didn’t do better, since Honda has generally been one of the better automakers at making cars safer for the real world rather than just passing the known tests. I’m actually more surprised the Highlander did so well given Toyotas tendency to do the latter…

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The Mazda and the WV, the only two to get green marks all the way across the board.
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The Mazda and the WV, the only two to get green marks all the way across the board.
I'm honestly surprised the Jeep Wrangler does as well as it did. All green except for rear passenger head protection. Good thing no one rides in the back of mine very often...
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I was surprised at that as well.
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Is the Jeep's interior full of exposed metal, sharp edges and etc... How did they do it?

Edit: i just googled the 2022 interior pic, it looks way more civilized than the rental i had.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Is the Jeep's interior full of exposed metal, sharp edges and etc... How did they do it?
I imagine the high ride height + beefed up frame and B-pillar probably helped limit cabin intrusion.
Old 05-18-2022, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
Is the Jeep's interior full of exposed metal, sharp edges and etc... How did they do it?

Edit: i just googled the 2022 interior pic, it looks way more civilized than the rental i had.
Exposed metal, yes, but not sharp edges. Also I didn't expect doors that are designed to be removed to be all that robust.
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While giving the media the first look at the Honda Prologue electric crossover, the brand revealed plans to unveil the next generation of several of its core models in the coming years. Many of them are coming as hybrids.

"We're doubling down in 2022 with what we're calling the year of the SUV where we are introducing an all-new HR-V, CR-V, CR-V Hybrid, and Pilot just this year," Jessica Fini, senior manager of public relations at American Honda, said during the presentation.

Mamadou Diallo, vice president of auto sales at American Honda, announced a couple more vehicles on the way. "Our path to electrification really accelerates this fall with higher volume sales of our all-new CR-V Hybrid and next year with an all-new Accord Hybrid. And in the future, we will re-introduce the Civic Hybrid," he said.

Among the crossovers debuting this year, we have the best idea about the appearance of the new CR-V and CR-V Hybrid. Images published by China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology show how the vehicle looks, at least for that market. It features a sharper appearance at both ends, compared to the existing model. The skinny headlights are similar to what Honda is showing on the newly announced Prologue electric crossover.

We can't be certain that the CR-V for North America looks exactly like the one in these images from China, but the two versions likely have a similar appearance. For example, the new Honda HR-V has different front-end styling in North America versus elsewhere, but the overall proportions are comparable for both variants.

In regards to the new Pilot, a spy video possibly caught a heavily camouflaged example refueling at the gas station in Ohio. The covering on the body hides a lot, but the front appears to have a larger grille and narrow headlights. The rear has dual, rectangular exhausts. It reportedly rides on the same platform as the latest Acura MDX.

In April, Honda confirmed that production of the Insight was ending in June 2022. The company said the new Civic Hybrid would be its replacement in the US. We don't yet know whether the electrically assisted model is similar to the Civic e:HEV that goes on sale in Europe this fall. That variant uses a 2.0-liter Atkinson-cycle engine and two electric motors making a total of 181 horsepower (135 kilowatts) and 232 pound-feet (315 Newton-meters) of torque.

The new Accord Hybrid is the biggest mystery of this bunch because we have no spy shots or rumors about it. The existing model uses an electrically assisted 2.0-liter four-cylinder with a total output of 212 hp (158 kW).
Honda Confirms New Pilot And CR-V Debut In 2022, Accord Hybrid in 2023 (motor1.com)
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After showing two electric concepts, Sony announced at the beginning of 2022 that it was searching for partners to enter the EV segment. In early March, that search was quickly over as it found a partner in Honda, with the two deciding to form a 50:50 joint venture. It was simply known as the "New Company" back then, and now, the final name is being announced. Based in Tokyo, Sony Honda Mobility Inc. will be established before the end of this year.

Sales of EVs are scheduled to commence in 2025 when Sony and Honda will also start to provide mobility services. Other details are scarce for the time being, but the press release does vaguely reveal how responsibilities will be split between the two companies. Sony Honda Mobility Inc will leverage "Honda's cutting-edge environmental and safety technologies, mobility development capabilities, vehicle body manufacturing technology, and after-sales service management experience."

At the same time, Sony will provide its "expertise in the development and application of imaging, sensing, telecommunication, network, and entertainment technologies, to realize a new generation of mobility and services for mobility that are closely aligned with users and the environment and continue to evolve going forward."

The two aim to provide "high-value-added electric vehicles (EVs)," but it's too soon to say whether Sony's Vision-S 01 sedan and Vision-S 02 crossover have anything to do with the new wave of EVs. It is worth mentioning Honda – which is fashionably late to the EV party – already has a deal with General Motors to use its Ultium platform.

Honda's long-term goals include increasing sales of battery-powered and fuel cell EVs to 40 percent of total global annual deliveries by the end of the decade. The percentage is expected to grow to 80 by 2035 before pulling the plug on the combustion engine altogether in 2040.To get there, a new dedicated electric platform will premiere in the second half of the decade. Known as e:Architecture, it will be inaugurated on a series of US-bound cars before hitting other markets.

Separately, the current deal with GM calls for large Honda- and Acura-badged SUVs going on sale in North America for the 2024 model year.
Sony Honda Mobility Company Announced, First EVs On Sale In 2025 (motor1.com)

Biker, who assumes initially, these will be sold via Honda channels.

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Old 07-26-2022, 01:15 AM
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https://www.autoblog.com/2022/07/25/...ev-spy-photos/

Wonder if there’s any chance they might take the SS powertrain and badge it as a Type R
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I guess at least they're trying. Just wish they had started a few years ago rather than having to play catch up...

https://electrek.co/2022/10/11/honda...investment-us/
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Old 10-12-2022, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
Sony Honda Mobility Company Announced, First EVs On Sale In 2025 (motor1.com)

Biker, who assumes initially, these will be sold via Honda channels.
I would assume the opposite. If they are sold through Honda dealerships, then they will be stuck forever in the dealerships cartel loop.

The one easy way for Sony and Honda to break out of them is to start a new corporation (maybe call it Sonda ) and sell only online starting from new (unless the laws change).
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Old 11-01-2022, 11:46 AM
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Honda Production in the United States – Accord, Civic, CR-V, Odyssey, Passport, Power

If you need help sleeping, this 1:28:35 video of various Honda manufacturing facilities will put anyone to sleep.
Fun fact, that white lab coat uniform is standard for all Honda employees at those facilities from management to engineering to factory floor workers


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Old 11-06-2022, 06:03 AM
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The long-awaited electric revolution is around the figurative corner, and Honda is eager to show a glimpse into its full potential once more. The first in the second round of e:N Series models has been unveiled, highlighting the brand’s design direction into the fully-electric future.
Honda introduced the e:N Series in December 2021, combining both real production models and concepts that aimed to show the versatility of the just-developed e:N Architecture. Three of these concepts were unveiled at the same time and now, with the occasion of the fifth China International Import Expo, which kicked off on November 5 in Shanghai, China, a follow-up was introduced.

It’s called the e:N2 and, for the time being, we get just a taste of it, along with the promise of an exhilarating future. Make that the promise of “intellectual exhilaration,” because that’s what a hypothetical driver and hypothetical passengers would experience inside the non-yet-detailed cabin. Marketing is all about fancy words (and the occasional word salad), but Honda is saying that the e:N2 concept is the essence of the future of the marque’s electric future.

With “sharp and dynamic body lines,” the e:N2 uses the same design language present throughout the entire series, which Honda calls the e:N Design. In concepts, including this one, it translates into a rather boxy shape and very sharp angles, which render the impression of a much bulkier and aggressive body that it perhaps need be.


Like with the three concepts introduced last year, there is a feeling that the e:N2 is underworked, to avoid a much harsher phrasing, so here’s to hoping that the photo above is just a teaser and not the finished concept.

One thing is certain, and Honda also highlights it: the e:N Design language is not present in any other existing category on the market right now. As we noted on a previous occasion as well, the sharp angles and blunt lines will not make it to the production models, so one could argue that the fact that this design is not present in any other category when it’s not even present in future Honda models isn’t exactly something Honda should be bragging about.

Exterior design nit-picking aside, Honda promises maximization of space inside the cabin of the e:N2 through the sheer nature of this being an EV and optimization of it, for the aforementioned “intellectual exhilaration.” This would translate into a clean and uncluttered digital cockpit, effective presentation of lighting and scents, and smart hospitality with Honda CONNECT features. It will be a smart car, is what Honda seems to be saying, one that will make the most of available space for high-tech features, mood lighting and scent-diffusers.

As far as concept cars go, this is nothing as fancy and futuristic as having an entertainment and relaxation lounge inside the cabin. It’s perhaps for the best, because the e:N2 feels more feasible because of it.


The e:N2 would use the Honda e:N Architecture F, which is a one-motor front-wheel drivetrain designed by Honda for small- and medium-sized future models, to “achieve unique driving pleasure, enabling the driver to enjoy a strong ‘sense of unity with the vehicle’.” Honda promises crisp handling and outstanding vehicle stability, which will help to achieve that unity promised between man and machine.

Honda plans to release five new electric models for the Chinese market within the next five years, and up to 30 new EVs for the international market over an extended timeframe. The e:N2 will never become a production model, so take it as a teaser of how the Honda all-electric future might look like, and a good example of how Honda plans to be reborn as an all-electric marque.
Honda’s Electric Future Looks Like the e:N2, Here to Deliver Intellectual Exhilaration (autoevolution.com)
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Are these models also going to be built by GM using Ultium propulsion as per their broad agreement? Then there’s nothing Honda about it.
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Old 11-07-2022, 10:46 PM
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Are these models also going to be built by GM using Ultium propulsion as per their broad agreement? Then there’s nothing Honda about it.
Yeah, my fear is a repeat of the SLX debacle, with Honda again late to the party and rushing out an inferior companion while they wait for the hot prom queen to get ready...
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Old 11-30-2022, 11:06 AM
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Introduced in 2014 for the 2015 model year in the CR-V as Honda Sensing and TLX as AcuraWatch, the Japanese automaker’s intelligent suite of safety and driver-assistive technologies will be taken to the next level in the years to come. Honda Sensing 360 and the next-gen AcuraWatch will roll out in the second half of the decade, and by 2030, all Hondas and Acuras sold in the U.S. will feature this system as standard.
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An expanded range of sensors around the vehicle makes Sensing 360 a bit better than the outgoing Sensing. Currently available on certain models in China, the better-performing system is designed to mitigate blind spots while reducing the driver’s burden. Come 2024, the next-gen suite will be introduced in China with new features that further reduce driver burden.

The automaker claims that its improved version of Sensing 360 reduces the likelihood of collisions by accurately detecting abnormal conditions occurring outside of and inside the vehicle. In other words, the name of the game is reducing health-related and human error-triggered collisions.

Sensing Elite also needs to be mentioned, a component of Sensing focused on hands-free driving. Honda aims to make hands-free driving a reality on any road, including non-expressways. Sensing Elite technologies also include a hands-free function while driving on arterial roads through a traffic jam and while merging onto and exiting from an expressway at a junction. Obviously enough, Sensing Elite is also designed to assist the driver by automatically parking the vehicle in and driving out of a garage.

Sensing Elite still hasn’t been launched, and the Tokyo-based automaker still hasn’t revealed specific launch plans for it. Given the advancements in artificial intelligence, there’s no denying that Sensing Elite will become a reality by 2030 when Sensing 360 will become standard in the U.S. of A.
Honda Sensing 360 Will Be Standard in U.S. Vehicles by 2030 - autoevolution
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Looks like more useless compliance cars are coming. This time, a hydrogen CRV

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-co...hicles-in-2024

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I have personally witnessed my co workers' life with his previous Mirai.... i can't honestly say it is a better alternative to true EV.

Has honda checked the current prices on Hydrogen now?
You will have a station, at most 2 in the metro area and 50% of the time, the station is either out of hydrogen or the pump is broken since there is usually only 1 or 2 pumps at the station.
Even if there was some available, you will have to wait for 30 mins to an hour in line, To make matters worse, they wont even allow you to fill up a full tank.

He sometimes had to drive 20-30 miles out 50 miles round trip just to fill up a 300 miles tank....

It is like freaking buying masks in 2021 every other week...
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In the U.S., Honda established a partnership with General Motors to use the Ultium platform and start selling at least one EV: the Prologue. In Europe, it created the Honda e, which is not exactly a best seller. That’s because the company will only bet more heavily on electric cars when it has solid-state cells. China will not allow it to wait. With the world’s largest car market craving EVs, the Japanese automaker signed a deal with CATL to buy 123 GWh in batteries.
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CNEVPost wrote that the supply deal will give Honda batteries from 2024 until 2030. That means the Japanese carmaker will get around 17.6 GWh in cells per year. Currently, Honda sells two electric cars in China, both based on the HR-V. The e:NS1 is made by Honda’s joint venture with Dongfeng, while the e:NP1 is a product from its joint venture with GAC. Both cars look identical and have a 68.8-kWh battery pack.

If Honda used the 123 GWh in CATL batteries to make only the e:NS1 and e:NP1, it could manufacture 1.78 million EVs with this agreement. That number can grow substantially with smaller battery packs, but we would bet new electric Hondas for the Chinese market will probably have larger battery packs for longer ranges. If all future Honda EVs had 100 kWh battery packs, the supply agreement would allow the sale of 1.23 million electric cars.

According to CNEVPost, new energy vehicles (NEVs) reached a record market share in China in November. They represented 36.3% of all new cars sold in the country that month. For Honda, it is mandatory to increase its participation in that market segment, and neither the e:NS1 nor the e:NP1 did the trick: they are presenting feeble sales numbers.

Without the development of electric cars from the ground up, it is very unlikely that Honda will manage to be a serious contender in the world’s largest car market. Toyota is trying to do better with a partnership with BYD. Without that option, Honda will have to rush to become more appealing there.
Honda Buys 123 GWh's Worth of Batteries From CATL to Power Its Chinese Electric Cars - autoevolution


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