Honda: Development and Technology News
07-19-2007, 05:04 PM
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"Honda noted it will introduce a next-generation diesel engine, which it says will meet the U.S. EPA's Tier2 BIN5 emission standard requiring NOx emission levels equivalent to those of a gas-powered vehicle to the U.S. in 2009, likely in the Honda Accord."
First I had seen of the year 09 for the diesel Accord...any way some may have missed the info...
"Honda noted it will introduce a next-generation diesel engine, which it says will meet the U.S. EPA's Tier2 BIN5 emission standard requiring NOx emission levels equivalent to those of a gas-powered vehicle to the U.S. in 2009, likely in the Honda Accord."
First I had seen of the year 09 for the diesel Accord...any way some may have missed the info...
07-19-2007, 07:07 PM
#642
Race Director
Originally Posted by Texas
^^^
"Honda noted it will introduce a next-generation diesel engine, which it says will meet the U.S. EPA's Tier2 BIN5 emission standard requiring NOx emission levels equivalent to those of a gas-powered vehicle to the U.S. in 2009, likely in the Honda Accord."
First I had seen of the year 09 for the diesel Accord...any way some may have missed the info...
"Honda noted it will introduce a next-generation diesel engine, which it says will meet the U.S. EPA's Tier2 BIN5 emission standard requiring NOx emission levels equivalent to those of a gas-powered vehicle to the U.S. in 2009, likely in the Honda Accord."
First I had seen of the year 09 for the diesel Accord...any way some may have missed the info...
10-28-2007, 06:33 PM
#649
Senior Moderator
Honda to offer diesel option for 2009 Accord, hints at diesel-powered Pilot
From Leftlanenews...
Honda has officially announced that it will add a diesel option to the U.S. Accord range for 2009. Earlier reports indicated that Honda would offer diesel power for 2009, although it was unclear which model or models would receive the option. The diesel engine will be the same 2.2L unit found in the European Accord.
Output is expected to be in the 150 horsepower 260 ft-lb of torque range, although actual production figures could be higher. It has been reported that Honda engineers are working on a higher-output version of the same engine for a diesel Civic Type-R — rated at 180 horsepower and 315 ft-lb of torque — so ratings could improve, although probably not to the same level as the Civic Type-R.
The engine uses a NOx converter to achieve certification in all 50 states and Honda engineers claim the technology can be applied to bigger engines, such as a V6, without adding urea injection. Volkswagen uses a similar NOx converter on smaller diesel engines but has to inject urea into the exhaust when the engine is applied to its larger vehicles to make it 50-state compliant.
Honda's claim that its diesel engine technology can be applied to larger vehicles indicates a diesel-powered Pilot could be on the way.
Output is expected to be in the 150 horsepower 260 ft-lb of torque range, although actual production figures could be higher. It has been reported that Honda engineers are working on a higher-output version of the same engine for a diesel Civic Type-R — rated at 180 horsepower and 315 ft-lb of torque — so ratings could improve, although probably not to the same level as the Civic Type-R.
The engine uses a NOx converter to achieve certification in all 50 states and Honda engineers claim the technology can be applied to bigger engines, such as a V6, without adding urea injection. Volkswagen uses a similar NOx converter on smaller diesel engines but has to inject urea into the exhaust when the engine is applied to its larger vehicles to make it 50-state compliant.
Honda's claim that its diesel engine technology can be applied to larger vehicles indicates a diesel-powered Pilot could be on the way.
10-28-2007, 07:43 PM
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diesel Civic Type R? lol I hope Honda would give it a different name...Type D or something..to most people Type R somewhat represents high rpm, low torque, high hp..all of sudden they come up with a 180hp/315lbft type R...not that it's a bad thing, but seriously, give it a new name!
10-29-2007, 07:12 AM
#651
Go Big Blue!
Honda has officially announced that it will add a diesel option to the U.S. Accord range for 2009. Earlier reports indicated that Honda would offer diesel power for 2009, although it was unclear which model or models would receive the option. The diesel engine will be the same 2.2L unit found in the European Accord
Do you think they mean model year or calendar year in that sentence? Can't happen soon enough so I hope they're talking MY.
Do you think they mean model year or calendar year in that sentence? Can't happen soon enough so I hope they're talking MY.
10-29-2007, 12:12 PM
#652
Race Director
In other articles it seems to be MY09 or less than a year from now. It might be a late intro since I don't think any of the engine plants in the US makes this engine - yet. 
10-29-2007, 01:03 PM
#653
2G TLX-S
Since the UK factories are already churning out diesel engines for European Honda consumption, Honda might shipped them directly from UK to supply the North American factories as well. Why operate two identical engine lines in two different countries ?
10-29-2007, 01:26 PM
#655
Originally Posted by dom
Anyone want to guess what the price premium for a diesel will be?
10-29-2007, 02:10 PM
#656
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by dom
Anyone want to guess what the price premium for a diesel will be?
10-29-2007, 08:16 PM
#657
I would pay the premium for the diesel. I would've never said that for the hybrid.
10-30-2007, 07:28 AM
#658
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by phile
I would pay the premium for the diesel. I would've never said that for the hybrid.
01-13-2008, 09:15 PM
#659
Honda Fanboy
Honda: Diesel i-DTEC Engine news **Revealed (page 4)**
Turbocharged i-DTEC Engine Displayed at the North American International Auto Show
01/13/2008 - DETROIT -
Acura will introduce the new i-DTEC clean diesel engine to the North American market in 2009. The i-DTEC engine reduces noxious exhaust emissions while boosting power and fuel efficiency. A combination of optimized combustion chamber design and reduced injection time results in a clean, quiet engine that delivers excellent performance for an enjoyable driving experience. In addition, the i-DTEC engine meets the ultra-stringent U.S. EPA Tier II Bin 5 emission standards without the on-board storage of urea.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=732394
01/13/2008 - DETROIT -
Acura will introduce the new i-DTEC clean diesel engine to the North American market in 2009. The i-DTEC engine reduces noxious exhaust emissions while boosting power and fuel efficiency. A combination of optimized combustion chamber design and reduced injection time results in a clean, quiet engine that delivers excellent performance for an enjoyable driving experience. In addition, the i-DTEC engine meets the ultra-stringent U.S. EPA Tier II Bin 5 emission standards without the on-board storage of urea.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=732394
01-13-2008, 09:24 PM
#660
Some dude
2009 Tsx?
01-13-2008, 09:47 PM
#661
Honda Fanboy
Most likely.
The engine will first debut in Europe before it does in America. So it makes sense that in Europe it will be fitted to the Euro-Accord, which is our Acura TSX.
If true, this means that the TSX will have 3 different engine options: petrol 4 cylinder (maybe RDX turbo? I hope...), petrol 6 cylinder, and a turbo-diesel 4 cylinder. Not a bad move on Acura's part. Multiple engine choices are a must in the luxury segment.
The engine will first debut in Europe before it does in America. So it makes sense that in Europe it will be fitted to the Euro-Accord, which is our Acura TSX.
If true, this means that the TSX will have 3 different engine options: petrol 4 cylinder (maybe RDX turbo? I hope...), petrol 6 cylinder, and a turbo-diesel 4 cylinder. Not a bad move on Acura's part. Multiple engine choices are a must in the luxury segment.
01-13-2008, 11:06 PM
#662
Race Director
I supose it could go into the RDX to provide a much better mileage option at the time of the MMC.
Seems to me this should have been ready to go this year.
Seems to me this should have been ready to go this year.
01-14-2008, 01:51 AM
#665
slobalt defender
Dtaaaaak!
01-14-2008, 10:37 AM
#669
luvs redheads!
Guys, the dealerships already had this info before display leading me to believe it will be in the TSX here shortly. Reason being is I am applying for a mechanic position at an acura dealership i used to work for last week and they were very happy i had training in diesel area. Call my service manager and he said i was correct in there being a diesel released.
now to pimp zee ride.
now to pimp zee ride.
01-15-2008, 12:39 AM
#670
I'm the Firestarter
It better not be a wimpy diesel... Put it together with SH-AWD and you'll have good competition for Audi.
01-15-2008, 08:17 AM
#671
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by biker
I supose it could go into the RDX to provide a much better mileage option at the time of the MMC.
Seems to me this should have been ready to go this year.
Seems to me this should have been ready to go this year.
You called the diesel for Acura
I thought it would be years before Acura saw a diesel.
01-15-2008, 09:36 AM
#672
Safety Car
Profits
Honda CEO Says Clean Diesel Cars will be Profitable
Reuters | Monday, 14 January 2008
The head of Honda said that the Japanese automaker's yet-to-be released clean diesel cars will be profitable immediately, unlike expensive gasoline-electric hybrid cars that still yield little or no profit after a decade on the market.
"Our diesel cars are going to have an appropriate level of profit from the start," chief executive Takeo Fukui told a small group of reporters in an interview at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.
He said Honda's clean diesel cars, to be launched in the United States next year, will not require a urea tank as most European systems do.
The use of aluminum in the cylinder block instead of steel would also allow it to manufacture the engines using its existing gasoline engine facilities, keeping initial investments down, Fukui added.
Honda's new diesel drive train generates and stores ammonia within a two-layer catalytic converter to turn nitrogen oxide into harmless nitrogen.
The new system will clear the same emissions regulations as gasoline in the United States, Fukui said.
Japan's second-biggest automaker is set to announce later this afternoon the launch of its first ultra-clean diesel car in the United States in 2009, as planned.
Honda's premium Acura brand will be the first to get the four-cylinder diesel engine, Fukui said. Models fueled by V6 diesel engines will follow after 2010, he added.
Diesel cars now make up more than half of Europe's new cars but have a poor image among consumers in the United States, as well as Japan, as being both loud and dirty.
But Fukui said he expected Honda's sale of four-cylinder diesel cars to reach about 150,000 vehicles globally by around 2010 with the planned roll-out in the United States and Japan.
Honda now sells more than 100,000 diesel cars a year, all in Europe.
Honda is also due to begin selling low-cost hybrid cars in 2009. Half of the planned 200,000 units of the hybrid-only family car are bound for North America.
A new hybrid sports car is set to follow, while the mass-volume Civic series will also get the cheap and improved hybrid system with the next remodeling.
Fukui said he expected the new hybrid system would be as profitable as conventional gasoline cars, depending on the cars' selling price.
The chief executive has indicated that he wants to limit the price premium for consumers buying hybrid cars to around 200,000 yen ($NZ2367) to achieve the company's target of powering 10 per cent of its global vehicle sales with hybrid cars by around 2010.
Honda produces its hybrid cars in Japan. While Fukui said he wants to build at least 80 per cent of its cars sold in the United States in North America, he said he was not now thinking of local production of hybrids in the region.
"We may be thinking about local production (in North America) around 2011 or 2012 when our global hybrid sales reach 400,000 to 500,000 cars a year, but we don't think it's all that important," Fukui said without elaborating.
Reuters | Monday, 14 January 2008
The head of Honda said that the Japanese automaker's yet-to-be released clean diesel cars will be profitable immediately, unlike expensive gasoline-electric hybrid cars that still yield little or no profit after a decade on the market.
"Our diesel cars are going to have an appropriate level of profit from the start," chief executive Takeo Fukui told a small group of reporters in an interview at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.
He said Honda's clean diesel cars, to be launched in the United States next year, will not require a urea tank as most European systems do.
The use of aluminum in the cylinder block instead of steel would also allow it to manufacture the engines using its existing gasoline engine facilities, keeping initial investments down, Fukui added.
Honda's new diesel drive train generates and stores ammonia within a two-layer catalytic converter to turn nitrogen oxide into harmless nitrogen.
The new system will clear the same emissions regulations as gasoline in the United States, Fukui said.
Japan's second-biggest automaker is set to announce later this afternoon the launch of its first ultra-clean diesel car in the United States in 2009, as planned.
Honda's premium Acura brand will be the first to get the four-cylinder diesel engine, Fukui said. Models fueled by V6 diesel engines will follow after 2010, he added.
Diesel cars now make up more than half of Europe's new cars but have a poor image among consumers in the United States, as well as Japan, as being both loud and dirty.
But Fukui said he expected Honda's sale of four-cylinder diesel cars to reach about 150,000 vehicles globally by around 2010 with the planned roll-out in the United States and Japan.
Honda now sells more than 100,000 diesel cars a year, all in Europe.
Honda is also due to begin selling low-cost hybrid cars in 2009. Half of the planned 200,000 units of the hybrid-only family car are bound for North America.
A new hybrid sports car is set to follow, while the mass-volume Civic series will also get the cheap and improved hybrid system with the next remodeling.
Fukui said he expected the new hybrid system would be as profitable as conventional gasoline cars, depending on the cars' selling price.
The chief executive has indicated that he wants to limit the price premium for consumers buying hybrid cars to around 200,000 yen ($NZ2367) to achieve the company's target of powering 10 per cent of its global vehicle sales with hybrid cars by around 2010.
Honda produces its hybrid cars in Japan. While Fukui said he wants to build at least 80 per cent of its cars sold in the United States in North America, he said he was not now thinking of local production of hybrids in the region.
"We may be thinking about local production (in North America) around 2011 or 2012 when our global hybrid sales reach 400,000 to 500,000 cars a year, but we don't think it's all that important," Fukui said without elaborating.
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01-15-2008, 01:24 PM
#674
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by VTEC Racer
If true, this means that the TSX will have 3 different engine options: petrol 4 cylinder (maybe RDX turbo? I hope...), petrol 6 cylinder, and a turbo-diesel 4 cylinder.
The TSX thread hasn't been updated in awhile...
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...er#post5727106
01-15-2008, 11:39 PM
#675
Race Director
Originally Posted by dom
You called the diesel for Acura
I thought it would be years before Acura saw a diesel.
I thought it would be years before Acura saw a diesel.
The head of Honda said that the Japanese automaker's yet-to-be released clean diesel cars will be profitable immediately, unlike expensive gasoline-electric hybrid cars that still yield little or no profit after a decade on the market.
With the availability of info on the Net the US consumer is getting informed and knows that today's diesel have virtually nothing in common with diesels of the 80s their parents may have had. Once they actualy drive it and see the benefits the demand will soar.
The only problem I thought may happen is that Honda wouldn't be able to keep up with demand since they had very limited (maybe one plant) places to make the diesel. This part I didn't know:
The use of aluminum in the cylinder block instead of steel would also allow it to manufacture the engines using its existing gasoline engine facilities, keeping initial investments down, Fukui added.
Last edited by biker; 01-15-2008 at 11:42 PM.
01-16-2008, 05:52 AM
#676
Safety Car
Rumor
Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Where did the TSX petrol V6 announcement come from ?? link ??
The TSX thread hasn't been updated in awhile...
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...er#post5727106
The TSX thread hasn't been updated in awhile...
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...er#post5727106
TOV
I cannot tell you anything factual, cuz there's just a bunch of rumors out there, but I can tell you that jsell is on to something...
This is REAL info from someone(s):
RL: This will be the most extensive and EXPENSIVE MMC ever for Honda Motor Co.
TSX: European/BMW-esque styling. 4cyl and small v6 option. Decided against 2.3turbo. Not sure about Type-S?
TL: Would not give any kind of info, except that it will be interesting... Sworn to secrecy! lol
For so many years Acura was run by Honda. With the seperation of Design Studios and Teams, Acura will NOW be run by ACURA. They are REALLY commited and focused to accell ACURA to where they really need to be... That's not in front of the pack, but ahead of the pack. Thus we have: ADVANCED. ACURA is working hard and dilligently to give us what we want in a premium-luxury brand.
Although I cannot give you guys any REAL-Factual information, I can tell you that I have been in meetings with Torrance-based Honda & Acura personnel and Japan-based Honda Access/Modulo personnel.
I've been a TOV reader for OVER 10 years and I read these pages everyday, but I rarely ever post. I only do so when I have "good" information, or feel the need to inject some knowledge... haha
Oh, one more thing! The TYPE-S brand has a possibility of being like M, AMG, and S-line. Not only aero-enhancements, but engine/performace, brakes, aero and front/rear bumpers, etc... The folks from Japan were really interested in this discussion.
I was able to see some "un-official" illustrations and they had about six different TYPE-S designs for badges and interior themes. There were three, or four vehicle illustrations showing the "proposed" enhancements. WOW!
Oh yeah, just recently I had the chance to sit down and talk with someone VERY important within HONDA. Jeff and Shawn know him and he's on videos here somewhere. He's was very integral with the launch of two newer (MY08) vehicles this year.
Next S2000-replacement will continue with the S2000 heritage. It WILL NOT be turned into a Miata, or $20k roadster.
Small hybrid will have a VERY aggressive MSRP and HONDA is banking on it's popularity with young & old consumers. Still IMA
CR-Z will/should make it into production! Focus will be FUN-to-drive & ECONOMY!!! Similar to where the CR-X left off.
HONDA is studying whether or not a "Stream-like" vehicle will succeed in the U.S. Something positioned between CR-V & Pilot. Not the JDM Crossroad though.
Again, these are just rumours and "hear-say"
Peace,
Tha GoldenChild
This is REAL info from someone(s):
RL: This will be the most extensive and EXPENSIVE MMC ever for Honda Motor Co.
TSX: European/BMW-esque styling. 4cyl and small v6 option. Decided against 2.3turbo. Not sure about Type-S?
TL: Would not give any kind of info, except that it will be interesting... Sworn to secrecy! lol
For so many years Acura was run by Honda. With the seperation of Design Studios and Teams, Acura will NOW be run by ACURA. They are REALLY commited and focused to accell ACURA to where they really need to be... That's not in front of the pack, but ahead of the pack. Thus we have: ADVANCED. ACURA is working hard and dilligently to give us what we want in a premium-luxury brand.
Although I cannot give you guys any REAL-Factual information, I can tell you that I have been in meetings with Torrance-based Honda & Acura personnel and Japan-based Honda Access/Modulo personnel.
I've been a TOV reader for OVER 10 years and I read these pages everyday, but I rarely ever post. I only do so when I have "good" information, or feel the need to inject some knowledge... haha
Oh, one more thing! The TYPE-S brand has a possibility of being like M, AMG, and S-line. Not only aero-enhancements, but engine/performace, brakes, aero and front/rear bumpers, etc... The folks from Japan were really interested in this discussion.
I was able to see some "un-official" illustrations and they had about six different TYPE-S designs for badges and interior themes. There were three, or four vehicle illustrations showing the "proposed" enhancements. WOW!
Oh yeah, just recently I had the chance to sit down and talk with someone VERY important within HONDA. Jeff and Shawn know him and he's on videos here somewhere. He's was very integral with the launch of two newer (MY08) vehicles this year.
Next S2000-replacement will continue with the S2000 heritage. It WILL NOT be turned into a Miata, or $20k roadster.
Small hybrid will have a VERY aggressive MSRP and HONDA is banking on it's popularity with young & old consumers. Still IMA
CR-Z will/should make it into production! Focus will be FUN-to-drive & ECONOMY!!! Similar to where the CR-X left off.
HONDA is studying whether or not a "Stream-like" vehicle will succeed in the U.S. Something positioned between CR-V & Pilot. Not the JDM Crossroad though.
Again, these are just rumours and "hear-say"
Peace,
Tha GoldenChild
01-16-2008, 07:50 AM
#677
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by biker
It just seemed obvious to me - all those Europeans obviously knew something when they were buying all those diesels. The other part of it was this:
...because it was proven technology (sure, they first had to figure out how to lower emissions).
With the availability of info on the Net the US consumer is getting informed and knows that today's diesel have virtually nothing in common with diesels of the 80s their parents may have had. Once they actualy drive it and see the benefits the demand will soar.
The only problem I thought may happen is that Honda wouldn't be able to keep up with demand since they had very limited (maybe one plant) places to make the diesel. This part I didn't know:
I still think you'll be paying sticker for the diesel TSX for at least a year.
...because it was proven technology (sure, they first had to figure out how to lower emissions).
With the availability of info on the Net the US consumer is getting informed and knows that today's diesel have virtually nothing in common with diesels of the 80s their parents may have had. Once they actualy drive it and see the benefits the demand will soar.
The only problem I thought may happen is that Honda wouldn't be able to keep up with demand since they had very limited (maybe one plant) places to make the diesel. This part I didn't know:
I still think you'll be paying sticker for the diesel TSX for at least a year.
I never doubted the benefits of diesel. I just thought it was as simple as Acura not having the balls to do it. About time their not playing catch up.
01-16-2008, 05:14 PM
#678
luvs redheads!
^^ they are playing catchup in a way. racing. the LM1 circuit i think since the audi diesel is smashing records and winning trophies. I think Acura needs a production vehicle to then enter the engine into racing.
01-18-2008, 01:23 AM
#680
Race Director
That may have been true if Honda started this year - with the intro slipping another year it will give others a chance for their intros at the same time. Many makers will have their diesels in place next year. Looks like VW and MB will be the only ones with solutions this year.