Wonder when the Si variant is coming out. My friend is interested in it.

 

2020

 

I've seen exhaust arrangements also help distinguish between trim levels, but for the Civic to have dual exhausts and then hide them doesn't make sense

Maybe they are saving the showy exhausts for the Si and Type R? Or maybe the rear bumpers with exhaust ports just weren't ready yet.

 

It could be cost prohibitive to build two different exhaust systems.

A friend of mine had a base model '14 Mazda3. It also had hidden dual exhaust tips. Maybe because it's cheaper to just add shiny tips and a different rear bumper for the higher trim levels.

 

Whatever the reason for hiding the exhaust tips is, it's a dumb one.

 

Since when is fucking exhaust tips a luxury item that is included in some kind of package?

That decision does not make it any better. If there is even such package.

 

Test drove a new 16 1.5T EXL/Navi today since I was bored.

The interior is gorgeous. The power is nice, and there is a decent amount of interior space compared to my '13. The black stripe on the leather seats has a carbon fiber look to it as well. Fit and finish was great.

You seem to sit lower in the car and the center console is huge, and the starter button pulses like the Jags do until you start it.

The exterior takes some getting used to, but I think I like it.. They just need to do something with the wheels

 

I think this has been said about nearly every Honda/Acura car since 2006

 

^^^^^

On the contrary, the "vaporware NSX" wheels look really cool.

 

To be fair, all the OEM wheels are usually just meh, especially the economy cars.

 

It went downhill once honda started using black accented wheels. It reminds me of Kia wheels

 

I just saw both the coupe and sedan at the LA Auto show.

I have to admit..the coupe, which looks bulbous and crappy in pics looks pretty decent in person.

BUT the sedan is really impressive in person. It has nice bold look, with a raking back. The interior is a real step up, especially compared to the abortion of an interior from the last gen civic.

Even I have to admit, that Honda seems to have nailed this one. Its about damn time they starting doing things right again. They still have a long way to go in my eyes. But this is definitely a step in the right direction.

 

That is what i heard too.

But you also like 3GT.........

 

I do and I have driven the 3GT. I like a lot better than the 5GT, and it makes a helluva lot more sense than the 4GC.

 

i guess your "make sense" is different from mine. I don't have kids, so my passengers are lucky there are actually backseat for them to sit.

But I just can't buy ugly regardless how much sense it makes.

 

and your subjective argument on the looks of a car are clearly different as well.

key word: subjective

 

definitely.

There are plenty of ppl who think 4G TL was good looking.

 

Now we are just talking about people who need to get their eyes checked...

 

Every review I've read so far says the new Civic is a HUGE improvement over the previous generation. Good for Honda. They definitely needed that.

 

The other side of the coin is that they just gave potential ILX buyers one less reason to "upgrade" at the Acura store.

Acura needs to move quickly to add content and performance to their line up NOW. Crikey, you can now buy a 400hp MKZ with torque vectoring AWD.

I'm starting to sound like CharlieMike!

 

And the 2017 Infinity Qq60 is rumored to be pushing at least 400hp...

Infinity said they maxed out the potential of their VQ engines and that they were really only getting more power out of them by upping the displacement. So now they are dropping the displacement and adding two turbos

Wonder how long Honda/Acura will keep pushing that 15 year old J-series... 290HP for life!!!

 

Jeff at TOV just did some acceleration runs and got 0-60mph in 6.5s and 1/4 mile in 14.9@97mph. 60' is a bit sluggish though at 2.5s. According to his Vbox, the car put down 164-166whp (based on above acceleration figures and a measured curb weight of 2900lb).

I guess that's pretty good for a regular Civic with a CVT!

 

Compared to the guys dumping thousands into their 1G RDXs, to get 14.5@101mph, yeah, I'd say that's pretty impressive!

 

Probably in 2 years...because the VQ came out in 1994, while the J came out in 1996!

Anyways, it's interesting that Infiniti thinks the VQ is maxed out. I mean, they did make the VQ25DET and VQ30DET which were turbocharged. I wonder what the reasons were for not making something like a VQ37VHRTT - basically the Q50/G37 engine with twin turbo. They also have the GTR's VR38DETT engine which is based on the VQ engine.

I'd imagine getting more power isn't much of an issue for the VQ. May be they couldn't get the emissions low enough and/or the fuel economy good enough?

 

lol hey i'm thinking of doing just that! But I think you mean 13.5@101mph?

 

I think they didn't turbo the VQ37, because it would be getting too close to the R35. I dunno. Maybe they're just looking for a breath of fresh air into their lineup and want to try something different. I'm sure emissions did play a part in all of it, though. These days, they always do.

 

There might be more behind that comment that I'm not aware of, but, based on the latest 1/4 mile times posted, 14.5@101mph

 

Oh..thought you were talking about TheWrench116's 08 RDX:

2008 RDX SHawd : RV-6 dp, MBS down pipe back 3" 409SS magnaflow muffler, Built By Me 3.5"intake, Flashpro, 1000cc DW injectors 65C pump, thermal gasket, BlouchPerformanceTurbo upgrade, Progress RSB. 313WHP 370+WTQ

1/4 13.530@102.56

 

Actually, same guy. But he just posted times that were a second slower, lol. Didn't really care to read though. Something about an RDX at the strip just doesn't make much sense to me

 

ILX was over long time ago.

 

I think the new engine is from Merc.

 

One of them will be.

 

There are 2 big issues with all all VQs. MPG and Roughness at high RPM.

regardless what Nissan/Infiniti claimed the mpg is, it is almost always bad.

Adding 2 more turbos to it will just make it worse in reality.

sometimes it is not about the needs, it is just because it is time. That is how luxury market should be. Does BMW need a new engine for every new Gen M3? No... but because... they can. That is a huge selling point. People always want something new and something better. The only difference is some people can afford it and some can't.

 

Wait, someone did all that to an RDX?! Good grief. Truly, crazy know no bounds.

 

I was thinking.. Getting a Civic with Nav is pointless. With Apple Car Play and Android Auto, you basically mirror your phone onto the display audio screen.

23.7k for a regular Civic EX-L (non sensing/non navi) seems like a great price. The only major things lacking from EX-L that the Touring has is the full LED headlights, heated rear seats, the 450 watt stereo, and the sensing package.

Just based on seat time, and parking the '16 next to mine, I think this new gen is going to be a fantastic value. The more I look at it, the more I like them.

 

haha may be he had a typo..or may be those were his previous time slips without the mods.

i guess some people just like sleepers! mid 13's is pretty much as fast as a Macan S or SQ5...while having that bland, pedestrian look. I wouldn't mind if my RDX is that fast....

I heard the roughness/vibration issue is especially bad with the 3.7L engine.

And also heard the GT-R has really bad gas mileage.

As for those engines found in the M3, I think it's a pretty big difference lol...it went from NA I6 to NA V8, and now to I6 turbo.....the VQ is strictly a V6 engine...

Yea, in a sense, Google Maps even allows for real time traffic update and instant map updates. I'm not sure if the same can be said about the honda navi system...

 

This should be no surprise. It's a big ass V6, with two turbos, pushing a heavy car with AWD. You definitely don't buy a GTR for fuel economy. Look at the STi. Those can be gas pigs too. AWD and high boost are terrible for fuel economy.

A friend of mine has a '11 STi, completely stock, and at times he's only getting 300km on a 65L gas tank. That's like 190 miles on a full tank

 

The 1G RDX isn't that bad a platform. It's still turbo AWD w/ torque vectoring. It's just missing a manual. Many people build old Subaru station wagons, Mitsubishi Expo/Eagle Summit, Chevrolet Astro van, etc.

 

lol yes, I was just driving my friend's 07 Forester XT 4AT wagon last night which has an upgraded turbo, Cobb, downpipe, intercooler, exhaust, etc for a couple hours. Decently quick, but it only gets 220-230 miles per tank...lol

I'd think that engine has some potential, but since it's only being used on one vehicle, and it's a near luxury CUV, there's little aftermarket support for it. It it's offered in a Civic Si or something, I'd think there would have been more support, for instance.

 

Do you think Honda will need V6 if new 2.0T can produce close to 300bhp/300FT-LB.
New Volvo 2.0T produce 318bhp. but these are Volvo bhp.