Honda: Civic News
02-18-2011, 12:14 PM
#2041
The sizzle in the Steak
02-18-2011, 01:44 PM
#2043
Yes, the photographers that Honda marketing USA use SUCK.
The more I look at those photos, I'm thinking they are CGI models. Look closely at the rear window on the coupe. It looks like a computer model.
02-18-2011, 01:46 PM
#2044
Just a guess, the Mazda engine is most likely the same motor in the Ford Focus.
02-18-2011, 01:58 PM
#2045
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the gti only has 200 hp, but then again it has more torques and the engine I'm guessing is just better than the engine they put in the si.
Point is 200 hp is not that bad. It depends more on how the engine is configured. Which we dont know per say. I hope they changed some stuff from the carry over.
Point is 200 hp is not that bad. It depends more on how the engine is configured. Which we dont know per say. I hope they changed some stuff from the carry over.
02-18-2011, 02:50 PM
#2047
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02-18-2011, 02:53 PM
#2048
Focus ST will have even worse fuel economy with MT transmission than Accord Coupe and will not be that refined. better wait for next Accord Coupe.
with Sport suspension Ford Focus titanium package is already $25K car. There is little point in buying anything above $25k in this segment or putting expensive technologies.
02-18-2011, 03:44 PM
#2049
Three Wheelin'
As much as I'd like to blame the wheel gap on CGI, the pic above scares me into thinking it may be here to stay: say hello to the Honda Cobalt
And many on here are right, for transport the cars are strapped down which lowers the vehicle to the trailer. So this white Civic (and the grey one shown in other threads) most likely will be a little higher than shown.
And the more I see this new Civic, the more I see the last-gen Camry in the rear...it's wayyyy too similar...down to the reverse light location/design
C'mon Honda
02-18-2011, 03:48 PM
#2050
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I think the coupe looks good and the sedan looks good save for the rear. But there seems to be a lot of lines and creases that may only be appreciated in the flesh. I'll wait until seeing it on the road before passing final judgment.
But the interior definitely looks craptastic.
What's also not promising is how in the one pic the Hybrid resembles the Insight. Not a good thing at all.
But the interior definitely looks craptastic.
What's also not promising is how in the one pic the Hybrid resembles the Insight. Not a good thing at all.
02-18-2011, 04:12 PM
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Hopefully they will make a Type R and actually bring it over. Then having a low-revving K24 in the Si wouldn't be a problem IMO.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010...8-mpg-city.php
"Cruze Eco is powered by power-dense Ecotec 1.4L turbocharged engine and a standard six-speed manual transmission. The transmission's gearing is optimized for the model's specific 17-inch wheel/tire combination and includes aggressive ratios for first and second gear coupled with a highly efficient, "taller" sixth-gear ratio for highway driving. That means engine rpm is reduced on the highway, which in turn reduces fuel consumption. A six-speed automatic transmission is available, with EPA-estimated fuel economy ratings of 26 city and 37 highway."
Summary:
Cruze 6AT 1.4L Turbo: 24/36mpg
Cruze 6MT 1.8L: 26/36mpg
Cruze 6AT 1.8L: 22/35mpg
Cruze ECO 6AT 1.4L Turbo: 26/37
Cruze ECO 6MT: 1.4L Turbo: 28/42
Perhaps the automatic gearbox isn't that efficient (saps a lot of power). Does GM make the gearbox themselves, or is it supplied by some transmission company?
02-18-2011, 05:22 PM
#2052
Fahrvergnügen'd
That Focus ST will neither be affordable nor as fast as Honda Accord Coupe.
Focus ST will have even worse fuel economy with MT transmission than Accord Coupe and will not be that refined. better wait for next Accord Coupe.
with Sport suspension Ford Focus titanium package is already $25K car. There is little point in buying anything above $25k in this segment or putting expensive technologies.
Focus ST will have even worse fuel economy with MT transmission than Accord Coupe and will not be that refined. better wait for next Accord Coupe.
with Sport suspension Ford Focus titanium package is already $25K car. There is little point in buying anything above $25k in this segment or putting expensive technologies.
, I say! !!!
02-18-2011, 07:49 PM
#2053
Whats up with RDX owners?
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As much as I'd like to blame the wheel gap on CGI, the pic above scares me into thinking it may be here to stay: say hello to the Honda Cobalt
And many on here are right, for transport the cars are strapped down which lowers the vehicle to the trailer. So this white Civic (and the grey one shown in other threads) most likely will be a little higher than shown.
And the more I see this new Civic, the more I see the last-gen Camry in the rear...it's wayyyy too similar...down to the reverse light location/design
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C'mon Honda
As much as I'd like to blame the wheel gap on CGI, the pic above scares me into thinking it may be here to stay: say hello to the Honda Cobalt
And many on here are right, for transport the cars are strapped down which lowers the vehicle to the trailer. So this white Civic (and the grey one shown in other threads) most likely will be a little higher than shown.
And the more I see this new Civic, the more I see the last-gen Camry in the rear...it's wayyyy too similar...down to the reverse light location/design
[IMG][/IMG]
C'mon Honda
02-19-2011, 07:14 AM
#2054
Seems like you guys have taken quite a liking to the new Civic.
02-19-2011, 09:12 AM
#2055
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eh it's whatever. Fuel economy going up is good, I wouldn't drive an SI anyway so I don't care about hp numbers in it. Maybe Honda will tweak it a bit, so it revs higher. Torque is always a good thing. At least it's not ugly...
02-19-2011, 12:52 PM
#2056
Three Wheelin'
I guess it doesn't matter a whole lot considering most of us Acura owners are not in the Civic demographic, but I think we care because the Civic, always a mainstay in the Honda/Acura product line, is a key indicator as to the health of Honda design and engineering.
Just like Hyundai has been on a role with the Sonata, Elantra, Genesis, etc., Honda has thrown down some turds lately and I, for one, am weary about the direction they're headed.
Just like Hyundai has been on a role with the Sonata, Elantra, Genesis, etc., Honda has thrown down some turds lately and I, for one, am weary about the direction they're headed.
02-19-2011, 03:28 PM
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What's funny is that the Civic Si Concept is still at the Canadian International AutoShow... talk about a letdown.
02-19-2011, 05:37 PM
#2059
99 TL, 06 E350
02-20-2011, 03:04 PM
#2060
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02-20-2011, 03:16 PM
#2061
people keep saying that, but why would press photos for the Civic have them on like that?
02-20-2011, 07:09 PM
#2062
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Ironic Results name the Chevy Volt 12th on list while making an unavailable car #1
By Marc J. Rauch
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Just how screwed up are our national aspirations to become energy independent? You need look no further than the results of the latest report issued by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy. In their 14th annual environmental rating of new cars, ACEEE has again named the Honda Civic GX at its number one "greenest car."
"What's the Honda Civic GX?," you ask. Is it electric, a hybrid, steam-powered? No, it's Honda's compressed natural gas version of its very popular Civic, and this is the 8th time that the Civic GX has been named as their choice for greenest car. The GX beat out the Chevrolet Volt, which placed 12th on the list; the Nissan Leaf; all of the well known hybrids; all diesels; Mercedes' Smart Fortwo; the Ford Fiesta SFE (Super Fuel Economy) and the Chevrolet Cruze Eco.
But here's the killer: the Honda Civic GX is practically unavailable for purchase owing to the fact that Honda's production of new GXs is so small that it makes the minuscule Volt and Leaf production look downright bounteous. So while there's at least one carmaker that still knows how to manufacture a CNG-powered vehicle right here in America, you can't really buy one. And, if you could, you might have a terrible time finding the domestically produced CNG fuel that the GX needs to run on. And it's all because of the bribes paid by the petroleum oil and gasoline industry to our politicians and media-influencers to keep us addicted to gasoline.
THAT'S HOW SCREWED UP THINGS ARE!
Latest Technologies Place But Don't Win In This Year's Greenest Vehicles List
Washington, D.C. — With the arrival of the 1st widely available plug-in vehicles, model year 2011 boasts the most diverse car offerings ever in terms of technologies and fuels. The American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy released its 14th annual environmental ratings for the model year showing how they all stack up. The result? Some newcomers — including an electric vehicle and a plug-in electric hybrid — did well, while several of the regulars held their ground.
This year’s ratings reveal a face-off among plug-ins, gasoline hybrids, diesels, natural gas vehicles, and ever-improving “conventional” gasoline vehicles. For the 8th year, the Honda Civic GX wins top honors, notwithstanding changes to Green Book® rating methods that boosted other technologies. But below the top spot, the “Greenest” list sees a shake-up: the all-electric Nissan Leaf places 2nd, followed by the gasoline-powered Smart Fortwo. Hybrids take the next 3 spots, followed closely by Ford’s new Fiesta SFE (Super Fuel Economy) and the Chevrolet Cruze Eco. Also notable on this year’s list is the Hyundai Elantra, with a 4 mile-per-gallon jump in fuel economy over the 2010 model. Rounding out the “Greenest” are the Mazda 2 and the much-touted Chevrolet Volt “extended-range EV,” which slip into the 12th and 13th spots. All told, 6 new models pushed out entries on last year’s list.
The strong showing of conventional vehicles in the top 12 is a testament to how serious manufacturers have gotten about recasting these vehicles as fuel-sippers with transmission refinements, weight savings, and sophisticated internal combustion engines. “We’re seeing an increasing number of highly efficient gasoline options from both foreign and domestic automakers along with the 1st electric vehicles. Ford introduced the Fiesta this year and Chevrolet debuted the Cruze, both of which do exceedingly well in our ratings,” said ACEEE vehicle analyst Shruti Vaidyanathan.
Regarding plug-in vehicles, ACEEE Transportation Director Therese Langer noted: “Vehicles running on electricity emit nothing from the tailpipe, but their ‘upstream’ emissions can be substantial, depending on where they’re charged. As U.S. power generation becomes cleaner, these vehicles’ scores will rise.”
The Green Book® methodology update also incorporates emissions associated with battery manufacture and disposal in a manner that reflects material content, drawing from Argonne National Lab’s GREET model. Hybrids lose a couple of points on their Green Scores as a result and this year capture only 3 of the top 12 spots. Once again diesels fall just short of the Greenest list.
02-20-2011, 07:13 PM
#2063
My first Avatar....
I'll take two...oh...wait....
02-20-2011, 08:32 PM
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So Honda develops a new NG-powered car and then what, they're bribed by the oil guys? Or just can't keep up with demand?On the first 2012 Civic pic, the one quoted above, does anyone else think the wheels look PS'ed?
And lastly, this might be a bit OT, but every time I click this thread's "Last Page" I'm directed to another thread about a trans fluid evac.
02-20-2011, 08:36 PM
#2065
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I get that with a few threads. Dont know why, but its not all the time.
02-21-2011, 06:41 AM
#2066
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The vast majority of people who buy a GX also have NG at home and get the PHIL charging station installed. I doubt there's a shortage on the car side but there might be an issue with the PHIL charging station.
I somehow doubt Honda is intentionally limiting production - there's only so much demand for the GX and Honda likes to limit production to the market conditions.
I somehow doubt Honda is intentionally limiting production - there's only so much demand for the GX and Honda likes to limit production to the market conditions.
02-21-2011, 06:44 AM
#2067
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The vast majority of people who buy a GX also have NG at home and get the PHILL charging station installed. I doubt there's a shortage on the car side but there might be an issue with the PHILL charging station.
I somehow doubt Honda is intentionally limiting production - there's only so much demand for the GX and Honda likes to limit production to the market conditions.
I somehow doubt Honda is intentionally limiting production - there's only so much demand for the GX and Honda likes to limit production to the market conditions.
02-21-2011, 10:06 AM
#2068
That's a shame. I don't know exactly how CNG works but I see taxis around here powered by CNG all the time, and there's a refilling station at the airport. I can probably only recall seeing a Civic GX a few times, not counting the one that I saw at my old school all the time.
02-21-2011, 04:50 PM
#2071
My first Avatar....
02-22-2011, 05:14 PM
#2073
but the photos made it to the press. who oversaw that? surely they don't let the photographers take photos and then release them without senior management's approval.
obviously no one saw anything wrong with these pics, so I'm not inclined to believe the theory that there are shock absorbers in place for transport in those press photos. this might be a case of what we see is what we're getting.
obviously no one saw anything wrong with these pics, so I'm not inclined to believe the theory that there are shock absorbers in place for transport in those press photos. this might be a case of what we see is what we're getting.
02-24-2011, 10:09 AM
#2075
Chinese Civic...real world setting
