Ferrari: 458 Italia News **MM Speciale Revealed (page 11)**
09-18-2009, 03:26 PM
#161
Senior Moderator
sorry, bro.
09-18-2009, 04:17 PM
#162
The sizzle in the Steak
09-18-2009, 04:21 PM
#163
Senior Moderator
no doubt. let's tase him.
11-05-2009, 03:05 PM
#164
First Drives - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
1. EVO Road Test - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia - Chris Harris (Video)
http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/pl....html
2. CAR First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/D...eview/
3. Motor Trend First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.motortrend.com/road....html
4. Car and Driver Quick Spin - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.caranddriver.com/re..._spin
5. Automobile First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.automobilemag.com/r....html
6. Autoweek First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.autoweek.com/articl...49988
7. Autocar First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.autocar.co.uk/Home.aspx
1. EVO Road Test - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia - Chris Harris (Video)
http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/pl....html
2. CAR First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/D...eview/
3. Motor Trend First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.motortrend.com/road....html
4. Car and Driver Quick Spin - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.caranddriver.com/re..._spin
5. Automobile First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.automobilemag.com/r....html
6. Autoweek First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.autoweek.com/articl...49988
7. Autocar First Drive - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia
http://www.autocar.co.uk/Home.aspx
11-05-2009, 03:17 PM
#165
I shoot people
from Evo's site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5GNxwxdQdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5GNxwxdQdE
11-05-2009, 03:19 PM
#166
Senior Moderator
INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!! god what a car
11-05-2009, 03:24 PM
#168
I shoot people
EVO's track test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD1o4jjX2pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD1o4jjX2pc
11-05-2009, 03:55 PM
#169
Senior Moderator
That is my new favorite Prancing Horse. 
11-05-2009, 04:56 PM
#171
The sizzle in the Steak
Cool vid.
Why doesn't Ferrari mount the shift paddles to the wheel.....watching him have to move his hands around the wheel coming out of a corner to shift is odd.
Why doesn't Ferrari mount the shift paddles to the wheel.....watching him have to move his hands around the wheel coming out of a corner to shift is odd.
11-05-2009, 05:08 PM
#172
I shoot people
11-05-2009, 06:14 PM
#173
E92
11-05-2009, 06:30 PM
#175
Senior Moderator
many when really driving and with the wheel beyond 1/2 turn shift the wrong way.
11-05-2009, 06:36 PM
#176
The sizzle in the Steak
11-05-2009, 06:36 PM
#177
Senior Moderator
the Scuderia and 430 in general never *really* grew on me. with this car, it was almost instant sex.
11-05-2009, 08:57 PM
#178
I'm the Firestarter
Love the car, I'm just not sure about the extensions on the headlights. They'll just have to grow on me.
11-05-2009, 11:26 PM
#180
Senior Moderator
In the Ferrari video he said it was 2.5 revolutions from lock to lock IIRC. By comparison, an F1 car "lock to lock" on any track would only be a little over one a revolution. At the absolute MAX, an F1 wheel could maybe turn close to 1.25 - 1.5 revolutions lock to lock. The paddles are not mounted on the wheel in the Ferrari because they feel it is better in a road car application. I have seen a few road tests over the years that explained why Ferrari and others mount them on the column.
Last edited by West6MT; 11-05-2009 at 11:31 PM.
11-05-2009, 11:28 PM
#181
Senior Moderator
^^^ thanks.. I knew there was some discontinuity and something invalid about comparing the two but couldn't put my finger on it. 
11-05-2009, 11:41 PM
#182
Senior Moderator
I just thought of something else.
In a car with wheel mounted paddles, there is a possibility to make an incorrect shift because of how much a road car's wheel can turn (ie there is a possibility to get "lost" on the wheel in terms of where the up/down paddle is).
In a car with column mounted paddles or a car with a traditional manual, that cant happen because the paddle or shift lever is in a fixed position. Yes, you have to remove your hand from the wheel briefly, but in all but a few situations that isn't a very big deal, if ever.
In a car with wheel mounted paddles, there is a possibility to make an incorrect shift because of how much a road car's wheel can turn (ie there is a possibility to get "lost" on the wheel in terms of where the up/down paddle is).
In a car with column mounted paddles or a car with a traditional manual, that cant happen because the paddle or shift lever is in a fixed position. Yes, you have to remove your hand from the wheel briefly, but in all but a few situations that isn't a very big deal, if ever.
11-06-2009, 09:34 AM
#184
I'm the Firestarter
11-06-2009, 10:46 AM
#185
The sizzle in the Steak
F1 steering wheels do not turn as far as normal road car steering wheels. At most, the steering wheel in an F1 car is only ever turned about 180 degrees (half a revolution) from center to the left or right going around a track (for example, in a hairpin). In most turns they do not even break what would be roughly a 90 degree turn of the wheel (quarter turn).
In the Ferrari video he said it was 2.5 revolutions from lock to lock IIRC. By comparison, an F1 car "lock to lock" on any track would only be a little over one a revolution. At the absolute MAX, an F1 wheel could maybe turn close to 1.25 - 1.5 revolutions lock to lock. The paddles are not mounted on the wheel in the Ferrari because they feel it is better in a road car application. I have seen a few road tests over the years that explained why Ferrari and others mount them on the column.
In the Ferrari video he said it was 2.5 revolutions from lock to lock IIRC. By comparison, an F1 car "lock to lock" on any track would only be a little over one a revolution. At the absolute MAX, an F1 wheel could maybe turn close to 1.25 - 1.5 revolutions lock to lock. The paddles are not mounted on the wheel in the Ferrari because they feel it is better in a road car application. I have seen a few road tests over the years that explained why Ferrari and others mount them on the column.
I have paddles for the dual clutch on the wheel, and not having to move my hands in certain corners to up shift is fantastic.
It would be odd to have to move your hand to 3 o-clock to upshift as the guy in the vid had to do a few times.
Just seems so odd to have them stationary.
11-06-2009, 11:24 AM
#186
Senior Moderator
I have been one of the long-standing paddle shifter critics but I'm throwing in the towel, it was only a question of time. And, if you watch the videos it's easy to understand why there's no manual. The auto is HEAVENLY.
11-06-2009, 11:36 AM
#187
Banned
Paddle shifters = me no buy.
Not like it was ever an issue with this vehicle, even if I had the money. But if paddle shifters start taking the place of everyday manuals, I'll be riding the train.
Not like it was ever an issue with this vehicle, even if I had the money. But if paddle shifters start taking the place of everyday manuals, I'll be riding the train.
11-06-2009, 11:39 AM
#188
Senior Moderator
wave to me in my 458, k 
11-06-2009, 12:27 PM
#189
The sizzle in the Steak
11-06-2009, 01:46 PM
#192
Senior Moderator
No doubt the two vehicles are apples and oranges.
I have paddles for the dual clutch on the wheel, and not having to move my hands in certain corners to up shift is fantastic.
It would be odd to have to move your hand to 3 o-clock to upshift as the guy in the vid had to do a few times.
Just seems so odd to have them stationary.
I have paddles for the dual clutch on the wheel, and not having to move my hands in certain corners to up shift is fantastic.
It would be odd to have to move your hand to 3 o-clock to upshift as the guy in the vid had to do a few times.
Just seems so odd to have them stationary.
I will always want an old traditional manual with the clutch pedal.
So as long as those are still offered, I wont have to worry about where paddles are located. 
11-06-2009, 04:08 PM
#194
Paddle shifters only? Lame.
I don't get the hype about them, yeah I've been in a GTI with DSG and it shifts faster, and is surprisingly smooth..... but its basically an automatic.
This car has yet to grow on me. I may need to see it in person, but to me there's nothing attractive about the rear, and the little triangular vents between the hood and the headlights is
It looks like it has cleft eyes. The lines on it are sexy though, no doubt. oh and as funky as it is, I like the interior!
The F430 on the other hand was sex at first sight.
I don't get the hype about them, yeah I've been in a GTI with DSG and it shifts faster, and is surprisingly smooth..... but its basically an automatic.
This car has yet to grow on me. I may need to see it in person, but to me there's nothing attractive about the rear, and the little triangular vents between the hood and the headlights is
It looks like it has cleft eyes. The lines on it are sexy though, no doubt. oh and as funky as it is, I like the interior!The F430 on the other hand was sex at first sight.
11-06-2009, 04:08 PM
#195
The sizzle in the Steak
11-06-2009, 05:25 PM
#196
Senior Moderator
F1 steering wheels do not turn as far as normal road car steering wheels. At most, the steering wheel in an F1 car is only ever turned about 180 degrees (half a revolution) from center to the left or right going around a track (for example, in a hairpin). In most turns they do not even break what would be roughly a 90 degree turn of the wheel (quarter turn).
In the Ferrari video he said it was 2.5 revolutions from lock to lock IIRC. By comparison, an F1 car "lock to lock" on any track would only be a little over one a revolution. At the absolute MAX, an F1 wheel could maybe turn close to 1.25 - 1.5 revolutions lock to lock. The paddles are not mounted on the wheel in the Ferrari because they feel it is better in a road car application. I have seen a few road tests over the years that explained why Ferrari and others mount them on the column.
In the Ferrari video he said it was 2.5 revolutions from lock to lock IIRC. By comparison, an F1 car "lock to lock" on any track would only be a little over one a revolution. At the absolute MAX, an F1 wheel could maybe turn close to 1.25 - 1.5 revolutions lock to lock. The paddles are not mounted on the wheel in the Ferrari because they feel it is better in a road car application. I have seen a few road tests over the years that explained why Ferrari and others mount them on the column.
11-06-2009, 05:43 PM
#198
I'm the Firestarter
