Chevrolet: Corvette News
07-19-2019 | 10:34 AM
#2881
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Some aftermarket company is gonna pay for their great grand kids college fund by selling oval exhaust tips
07-19-2019 | 10:36 AM
#2882
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Overall, I like it.
The rear is the weakest part of the exterior, IMO.
The interior looks good, but that row of A/C controls is pretty
to me.
Also, that tan leather color, not a fan.
Has some Ferrari 430 look to me, not in a bad way.
The rear is the weakest part of the exterior, IMO.
The interior looks good, but that row of A/C controls is pretty
to me.Also, that tan leather color, not a fan.
Has some Ferrari 430 look to me, not in a bad way.
07-19-2019 | 01:54 PM
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07-19-2019 | 02:07 PM
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I understand that because this starts at $60k for a mid engine "supercar", we can't expect the same type of refinement and details as a $200k+ mid engine super car...
But that is not an excuse to have a line of buttons like that tho... WTF...
But overall, for a car that starts at 60k with 500hp... you can't complaint too much.
But that is not an excuse to have a line of buttons like that tho... WTF...
But overall, for a car that starts at 60k with 500hp... you can't complaint too much.
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nist7 (07-21-2019)
07-19-2019 | 02:59 PM
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Yeah man.
Mid engined Corvette, based model puts out 500 hp. Here we are, talking about buttons. I mean, if they looked phallic or something you would have a valid complaint, only because you would have to prevent @rockstar143 from licking them.
Mid engined Corvette, based model puts out 500 hp. Here we are, talking about buttons. I mean, if they looked phallic or something you would have a valid complaint, only because you would have to prevent @rockstar143 from licking them.
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07-19-2019 | 03:00 PM
#2888
I'm ecstatic that there is a mid-engined sports car coming to market at under $60k. The lack of a manual and the chance of one ever making it into one is sad, but expected given the trend of sports cars over the last 10 years.
But the design is a mess. It's like they took a 430 and a McLaren and mashed them together, then put C7 headlights and a Camaro rear end on it to resemble some form of a Chevy. From some angles, it just looks like a bad kit car.
Hopefully it's just photos that make it look bad and it'll be attractive in person, but right now, I'm not impressed with the appearance.
But the design is a mess. It's like they took a 430 and a McLaren and mashed them together, then put C7 headlights and a Camaro rear end on it to resemble some form of a Chevy. From some angles, it just looks like a bad kit car.
Hopefully it's just photos that make it look bad and it'll be attractive in person, but right now, I'm not impressed with the appearance.
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07-19-2019 | 03:16 PM
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https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...nt-loud-enough
The new mid-engine 2020 Corvette is finally here, and Chevy already got your letter: What are we supposed to do when people don't immediately notice the exotic shape at stoplights?
Don't fret. The Tremec 8-speed automatic has an answer.
Now that we're officially post-manual transmission in the Corvette timeline, the dual-clutch automatic in the mid-engine C8 can be declutched when both steering wheel-mounted paddles are pulled at the same time. Pulling both paddles effectively engages neutral, but doesn't require owners to hunt for the button amid many buttons.
From there, owners can rev the LT2 V-8 to the satisfaction of others at stoplights—and in other ZIP codes.
The official line from Chevy is that the declutching routine can help by "sailing" at speed, marginally reducing fuel consumption by disconnecting the transmission from the engine. Automakers such as Porsche and Audi offer similar sailing functions, although not in the U.S. Their reasoning? Drivers in the U.S. don't particularly care enough to sacrifice an small gains in fuel economy by declutching the transmission.
(And the gains are small. A direct-injection engine realizes very little fuel-economy benefits by sailing.)
GM spokesman Kevin Kelly clued us into the real reason, beyond the official "sailing" smokescreen.
"(De-clutching) also enables the driver to rev the engine if asked to do so by onlookers. Some of the development team use the feature when they are stopped at red lights," he told Motor Authority on Thursday.
So, yeah. The declutching transmission is more show than go, perhaps. (Eds note: More bro than go, too?)
Thumbs up, Chevy. Just keep your hands on the wheel and let the revs die first please before grabbing first.
Don't fret. The Tremec 8-speed automatic has an answer.
Now that we're officially post-manual transmission in the Corvette timeline, the dual-clutch automatic in the mid-engine C8 can be declutched when both steering wheel-mounted paddles are pulled at the same time. Pulling both paddles effectively engages neutral, but doesn't require owners to hunt for the button amid many buttons.
From there, owners can rev the LT2 V-8 to the satisfaction of others at stoplights—and in other ZIP codes.
The official line from Chevy is that the declutching routine can help by "sailing" at speed, marginally reducing fuel consumption by disconnecting the transmission from the engine. Automakers such as Porsche and Audi offer similar sailing functions, although not in the U.S. Their reasoning? Drivers in the U.S. don't particularly care enough to sacrifice an small gains in fuel economy by declutching the transmission.
(And the gains are small. A direct-injection engine realizes very little fuel-economy benefits by sailing.)
GM spokesman Kevin Kelly clued us into the real reason, beyond the official "sailing" smokescreen.
"(De-clutching) also enables the driver to rev the engine if asked to do so by onlookers. Some of the development team use the feature when they are stopped at red lights," he told Motor Authority on Thursday.
So, yeah. The declutching transmission is more show than go, perhaps. (Eds note: More bro than go, too?)
Thumbs up, Chevy. Just keep your hands on the wheel and let the revs die first please before grabbing first.
07-19-2019 | 03:30 PM
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07-19-2019 | 03:51 PM
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07-19-2019 | 04:04 PM
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07-19-2019 | 08:28 PM
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07-20-2019 | 12:16 AM
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I thought about it a bit more, and kinda get why GM didn't want to push the price higher than now for the C8.
I think they wanna keep it cheaper than a Porsche 718 Cayman s. While the Cayman s only has a 4 banger with just 350hp, it's significantly lighter and that engine seems to be underrated. Car and driver was able to get 3.6s for 0 to 60 and 12 second flat for the 1/4 mile. Those figures match up very nicely with the C7 stingray with 460hp at about 3500lb. We know the c8 is about 3600lb with 490hp. The power to weight ratio is just slightly better than the c7. As such, other than getting a better launch, I would imagine from a roll, it won't be a lot faster than a c7, or a Cayman s, despite having 500hp.
Also, GM sold 140000 corvettes from 2014 to 2018. That means in those 5 years, they have been averaging over 2300 units sold per month. That's better than cars like the Lexus UX , GLA , A3, TLX, Giulia, Q60, etc. The other sports cars aren't even close, like the 718, 911, GTR, AMG GT, etc. If GM jack up the price too much, they would risk losing market share. It's always been about bringing supercar performance to sports car pricing. GM for the most part had all the sunk costs paid for or shared with other models, like the manufacturing plant, the equipment, the engine, etc. The transmission is probably outsourced. They probably just had to do some retooling at the factory and they are good to go.
I heard that on average GM makes $20k of profit per Corvette sold. I guess this can only be done when the car is mass produced have the sales volume to support. If it's hand built like other exotics with lots of bespoke components, then it's impossible to be priced this low.
I think they wanna keep it cheaper than a Porsche 718 Cayman s. While the Cayman s only has a 4 banger with just 350hp, it's significantly lighter and that engine seems to be underrated. Car and driver was able to get 3.6s for 0 to 60 and 12 second flat for the 1/4 mile. Those figures match up very nicely with the C7 stingray with 460hp at about 3500lb. We know the c8 is about 3600lb with 490hp. The power to weight ratio is just slightly better than the c7. As such, other than getting a better launch, I would imagine from a roll, it won't be a lot faster than a c7, or a Cayman s, despite having 500hp.
Also, GM sold 140000 corvettes from 2014 to 2018. That means in those 5 years, they have been averaging over 2300 units sold per month. That's better than cars like the Lexus UX , GLA , A3, TLX, Giulia, Q60, etc. The other sports cars aren't even close, like the 718, 911, GTR, AMG GT, etc. If GM jack up the price too much, they would risk losing market share. It's always been about bringing supercar performance to sports car pricing. GM for the most part had all the sunk costs paid for or shared with other models, like the manufacturing plant, the equipment, the engine, etc. The transmission is probably outsourced. They probably just had to do some retooling at the factory and they are good to go.
I heard that on average GM makes $20k of profit per Corvette sold. I guess this can only be done when the car is mass produced have the sales volume to support. If it's hand built like other exotics with lots of bespoke components, then it's impossible to be priced this low.
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07-20-2019 | 07:44 AM
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07-20-2019 | 08:25 AM
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I like it overall, looks Italian with enough angular lines and flow from the C7. I like the interior save for the very long row of switches on the right.
The two displays and the right center one angled toward the driver look great. Steering wheel reminds me of Ford GT.
The visual quality of the interior components from the photos looks great, like compares to cars costing 3-4X as much.
The C7 was a huge step up from the C6 in interior quality and this continues that tradition.
Looks like the prior internal GM requirement of two golf bags has been relegated to one now.
The rear could use some cleanup but I'm guessing some was done for aero to help with mileage to prevent the EPA tax?
$60k? WTF, this is a bargain
The two displays and the right center one angled toward the driver look great. Steering wheel reminds me of Ford GT.
The visual quality of the interior components from the photos looks great, like compares to cars costing 3-4X as much.
The C7 was a huge step up from the C6 in interior quality and this continues that tradition.
Looks like the prior internal GM requirement of two golf bags has been relegated to one now.
The rear could use some cleanup but I'm guessing some was done for aero to help with mileage to prevent the EPA tax?
$60k? WTF, this is a bargain
07-20-2019 | 01:29 PM
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07-20-2019 | 03:54 PM
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Former Corvette engineer Robert Cumberford, a long time design critic at Automobile Magazine, savages the new Corvette as disjointed and a missed opportunity.
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...sign-analysis/
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...sign-analysis/
07-20-2019 | 04:02 PM
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07-20-2019 | 04:58 PM
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Former Corvette engineer Robert Cumberford, a long time design critic at Automobile Magazine, savages the new Corvette as disjointed and a missed opportunity.
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...sign-analysis/
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...sign-analysis/
Need proof? The Tesla Model S is a design quality mess and Cumberford said "I would happily own one"
This is mostly sour grapes, IMHO
07-20-2019 | 05:21 PM
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Gotta disagree, the Model S is solid and moreover innovative, dare I say unique design. It was a game changer.
The greatest thing the C8 has going for it is in the tech. The design on the other hand, yeah I can understand the criticism. It does look like a mess. It’s like a damn conglomeration of 360, 430, and 458 Ferrari. With a mix of McLaren and NSX thrown in for kicks. In haphazard fashion. Looks like 40 people worked on the exterior. It’s hard to swallow. That being said, I think the Z06 is gonna be a showstopper.
Furthermore, given the lineage, it doesn’t really look like a Corvette. But. People said the same thing when the C4 came out.
The greatest thing the C8 has going for it is in the tech. The design on the other hand, yeah I can understand the criticism. It does look like a mess. It’s like a damn conglomeration of 360, 430, and 458 Ferrari. With a mix of McLaren and NSX thrown in for kicks. In haphazard fashion. Looks like 40 people worked on the exterior. It’s hard to swallow. That being said, I think the Z06 is gonna be a showstopper.
Furthermore, given the lineage, it doesn’t really look like a Corvette. But. People said the same thing when the C4 came out.
07-20-2019 | 05:27 PM
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Gotta disagree, the Model S is solid and moreover innovative, dare I say unique design. It was a game changer.
The greatest thing the C8 has going for it is in the tech. The design on the other hand, yeah I can understand the criticism. It does look like a mess. It’s like a damn conglomeration of 360, 430, and 458 Ferrari. With a mix of McLaren and NSX thrown in for kicks. In haphazard fashion. Looks like 40 people worked on the exterior. It’s hard to swallow. That being said, I think the Z06 is gonna be a showstopper.
Furthermore, given the lineage, it doesn’t really look like a Corvette. But. People said the same thing when the C4 came out.
The greatest thing the C8 has going for it is in the tech. The design on the other hand, yeah I can understand the criticism. It does look like a mess. It’s like a damn conglomeration of 360, 430, and 458 Ferrari. With a mix of McLaren and NSX thrown in for kicks. In haphazard fashion. Looks like 40 people worked on the exterior. It’s hard to swallow. That being said, I think the Z06 is gonna be a showstopper.
Furthermore, given the lineage, it doesn’t really look like a Corvette. But. People said the same thing when the C4 came out.
07-20-2019 | 09:44 PM
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It’s like they have a Corvette specific engineering team for the chassis and motor and then everything else goes through the terrible corporate bureaucracy that fucks things up. Like that row of buttons.
07-21-2019 | 12:18 PM
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I was wondering what Bedford Castings were? Googled and
https://plants.gm.com/Facilities/pub...ford/news.html
The new Corvette’s main body structure is made of aluminum, and, according to the car’s executive chief engineer Tadge Juechter, “makes the most use of high pressure die-casting in General Motors history.”
Juechter describes the six largest castings that make up the main structure—castings that GM names the “Bedford Six” after the location where they’re built: Bedford, Indiana—as “enormous.” Those castings are highlighted below in blue and also shown in orange two images above:
Juechter describes the six largest castings that make up the main structure—castings that GM names the “Bedford Six” after the location where they’re built: Bedford, Indiana—as “enormous.” Those castings are highlighted below in blue and also shown in orange two images above:
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07-22-2019 | 01:16 PM
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Hopefully this car will sell... to make a statement that if the car is good and affordable, people will still buy it... Not everyone wants an SUV...
If not, well i guess that is the beginning of the end...
If not, well i guess that is the beginning of the end...
07-22-2019 | 01:48 PM
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07-22-2019 | 01:50 PM
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I imagine it'll sell well, though I would be shocked if we see any sell for the $60k mark. I expect many to be in the mid70-90k mark once options start getting added.
Z06 will almost definitely be over 100k
ZR1, if they do one, maybe in the barely sub-200k range?
Z06 will almost definitely be over 100k
ZR1, if they do one, maybe in the barely sub-200k range?