BMW: 5-Series News
01-20-2005, 06:32 PM
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on the m3/m5 forums, the consensus was true enthusiasts were pissed that the car didnt come with a manual, so they decided to add it, since people though of smg as an auto, and MB does a better job of it that bmw
01-20-2005, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by samkws
SMG is faster than the manual trans
i know that is not a word
oh yeah this is totally news to me... why are we only finding this out now?? :weird: gavriil been slacking... j/k
01-20-2005, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
oh yeah this is totally news to me... why are we only finding this out now?? :weird: gavriil been slacking... j/k
Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
Like I said awhile ago, BMW says that all M cars will come with manuals, at least as an option.
Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
There will be a manual but it may not be out the first year.
01-20-2005, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnie0738
so who here is going to get one? 
01-20-2005, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
on the m3/m5 forums, the consensus was true enthusiasts were pissed that the car didnt come with a manual, so they decided to add it, since people though of smg as an auto, and MB does a better job of it that bmw
Not sure about your last statement since MB doesn't even have a Sequential Manual Gearbox in any car.
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01-20-2005, 09:20 PM
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This is AWESOME news if it can be verified.
All the report on the M5 that I have read say that it will be SMG only.
I don’t see myself buying an M5 in the near future, but this shows that there’s hope of the V8 M3 coming with a manual.
That car is a definite possibility for my next ride.
All the report on the M5 that I have read say that it will be SMG only.
I don’t see myself buying an M5 in the near future, but this shows that there’s hope of the V8 M3 coming with a manual.
That car is a definite possibility for my next ride.
01-20-2005, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
I don’t see myself buying an M5 in the near future, but this shows that there’s hope of the V8 M3 coming with a manual.
That car is a definite possibility for my next ride.
That car is a definite possibility for my next ride.
With the M5, the engine is one thing......styling is another.
I don't love the 6series, but would get an M6 over the M5.
Regardless, after the M3 goes... that will be enough of BMW for awhile.
01-20-2005, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
You can still keep it........ugly, you can't polish a turd.
I sat in the M5 at the Detroit car show. It was not very impressive inside or out. It didn't have the presence of the old M5. Another telling aspect was that it didn't have a large crowd around it, and I was able to sit in it without waiting on a line. Most performance cars had LONG times. For example, the existing M3 had a 3x larger crowd around it.
Here's a few pics:
Best part of the M5 - Beautiful engine:
Interior = yuck
Skidplate = cool
01-21-2005, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
PS….. Crazy....I think your title is wrong.
Isn’t the new 5-Series the E60 and the 3-Series is the E90 ???
Isn’t the new 5-Series the E60 and the 3-Series is the E90 ???
im such a noob! You are right!
01-21-2005, 12:20 AM
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I hope this is true...
But M6 > M5 cause new 5's lick dick.
But M6 > M5 cause new 5's lick dick.
01-21-2005, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
This is AWESOME news if it can be verified.
All the report on the M5 that I have read say that it will be SMG only.
I don’t see myself buying an M5 in the near future, but this shows that there’s hope of the V8 M3 coming with a manual.
That car is a definite possibility for my next ride.
All the report on the M5 that I have read say that it will be SMG only.
I don’t see myself buying an M5 in the near future, but this shows that there’s hope of the V8 M3 coming with a manual.
That car is a definite possibility for my next ride.
only thing i could find.
From BMW NA....
01-21-2005, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
YES!!!!!!
OMFGLD:SJG:SOGJ:IGHOIHSDGOIH
SDJ:FLDSFIJ:!!!!
Clutch, who is glad someone at BMW has some brains in their head.
OMFGLD:SJG:SOGJ:IGHOIHSDGOIH
SDJ:FLDSFIJ:!!!!Clutch, who is glad someone at BMW has some brains in their head.
haha, I knew you would go nuts when I read the title of this thread!
teg, who did not understand the words that came out of clutch's mouth.
01-21-2005, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
I sat in the M5 at the Detroit car show. It was not very impressive inside or out. It didn't have the presence of the old M5. Another telling aspect was that it didn't have a large crowd around it, and I was able to sit in it without waiting on a line. Most performance cars had LONG times. For example, the existing M3 had a 3x larger crowd around it.
Here's a few pics:
Best part of the M5 - Beautiful engine:
Interior = yuck
Skidplate = cool
.........I'll still take it. 
01-21-2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
haha, I knew you would go nuts when I read the title of this thread!
teg, who did not understand the words that came out of clutch's mouth.
teg, who did not understand the words that came out of clutch's mouth.
Everyone I work with is a gearhead.
01-21-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ClutchPerformer
You should have seen the way my officemates were looking at me after my reaction to reading this thread! But then I let them in on the news, and they were almost as happy as me.
Everyone I work with is a gearhead.
Everyone I work with is a gearhead.
I've never seen somebody so happy to see a car he'll NEVER OWN
equipped with a manual transmission 
01-21-2005, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by domn
I've never seen somebody so happy to see a car he'll NEVER OWN equipped with a manual transmission
equipped with a manual transmission
01-21-2005, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ilitig8
Not sure about your last statement since MB doesn't even have a Sequential Manual Gearbox in any car.
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01-21-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
no but mb supposedly makes better/more efficiant auto trannies than bmw, and I think some people feel more comfortable with an mb auto than the bmw smg (with the blowing-up-engine issues)
And the engine blowing up issue was early M3s, and it was the regular manuals as well that had problems.
01-21-2005, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
no but mb supposedly makes better/more efficiant auto trannies than bmw, and I think some people feel more comfortable with an mb auto than the bmw smg (with the blowing-up-engine issues)
01-21-2005, 05:12 PM
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the SMG car will be quicker than the 6MT.
01-21-2005, 05:14 PM
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you have an M5 now?!? you bastard.
pics?
Originally Posted by blxmjx
Stoopido jesal.
New m5 is an e60.
I still think that the e39 m5>e60 m5 in the looks department.
but then again
500hp>394hp
m5's suck either way
New m5 is an e60.
I still think that the e39 m5>e60 m5 in the looks department.
but then again
500hp>394hp
m5's suck either way
01-21-2005, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mattg
you have an M5 now?!? you bastard.
pics?
pics?
No pics of the m5 at this time. Its not pic worthy yet.
I'll post pics once I drop it and slap some wheels on.
01-21-2005, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
wtf asshole you didnt tell me you were getting a m5.
01-21-2005, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mclarenf3387
An auto is not more effidiecnt than an SMG. SMG is the most efficient/quickest system out there.
And the engine blowing up issue was early M3s, and it was the regular manuals as well that had problems.
And the engine blowing up issue was early M3s, and it was the regular manuals as well that had problems.
ok
heres some math:
(based on opinions and reviews)
mb auto > bmw auto
without a bmw mt, some people view:
mb auto == bmw smg
therefore a lot of people looking to spend that kind of cash might go to mb for the e55, especially given the trouble smg USED To have...yes the early smg's had issues, but hey how many people have had a 7-speed smg? exactly...precieved consumer confidence
01-21-2005, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
man some of you guys need some reading comprehension skills
ok
heres some math:
(based on opinions and reviews)
mb auto > bmw auto
without a bmw mt, some people view:
mb auto == bmw smg
therefore a lot of people looking to spend that kind of cash might go to mb for the e55, especially given the trouble smg USED To have...yes the early smg's had issues, but hey how many people have had a 7-speed smg? exactly...precieved consumer confidence
ok
heres some math:
(based on opinions and reviews)
mb auto > bmw auto
without a bmw mt, some people view:
mb auto == bmw smg
therefore a lot of people looking to spend that kind of cash might go to mb for the e55, especially given the trouble smg USED To have...yes the early smg's had issues, but hey how many people have had a 7-speed smg? exactly...precieved consumer confidence
You obviously have no clue what the SMGII is all about.
01-21-2005, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bkknight369
man some of you guys need some reading comprehension skills
ok
heres some math:
(based on opinions and reviews)
mb auto > bmw auto
without a bmw mt, some people view:
mb auto == bmw smg
therefore a lot of people looking to spend that kind of cash might go to mb for the e55, especially given the trouble smg USED To have...yes the early smg's had issues, but hey how many people have had a 7-speed smg? exactly...precieved consumer confidence
ok
heres some math:
(based on opinions and reviews)
mb auto > bmw auto
without a bmw mt, some people view:
mb auto == bmw smg
therefore a lot of people looking to spend that kind of cash might go to mb for the e55, especially given the trouble smg USED To have...yes the early smg's had issues, but hey how many people have had a 7-speed smg? exactly...precieved consumer confidence
As for your math, anyone who views SMG== MB auto cares more about cruising than driving, which means they aren't M's demographic anyway. The SMG sux for going slow but is unmatched for going really fast, but for many not as much fun as a three pedal car.
Oh and Juan Pablo and Ralf said their 7 speed SMG worked just fine behind their V10s, however Kimi called and said he has a few warranty issues with his car...
As to the post that the SMG will be quicker than a three pedal manual car it depends, it will be faster on a road course but in a straight line from stop the manual will be faster as it allows for a less clutch friendly launch. It remains to be seen if BMW cuts the balls of the Federal LC (launch control) as they did with the E46 M3. In the US it launches at 1800, I get the lowest 60' times launching my 3 pedal car M3 at 4,500, at 1800 you bog, if we get the Euro version for the M5 (assuming it stays as high as has been reported) the 60' times will be as good as all but the best manual clutch launchers. From a roll the difference between a SMG and 3 pedal car (given a solid stick driver) will be a non-issue. Pesonally my time on the track in a SMG M3 has taught
me it is AWESOME on the track but I would get a three pedal M3 to drive the rest of the time.
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01-21-2005, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnie0738
so who here is going to get one?
01-22-2005, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by masmole
I've had a $2500 deposit for the #2 spot on the wait list at my dealer since July. But if the manual is not available by the time my car goes into production, I will probably defer my spot. Also got a deposit for a CLS55 which beats the E60 M5 hands down on the looks department but I'm sure the M5 will drive much better. Still undecided on which one.... but now that a manual is confirmed for the M5, I'm leaning more towards the bimmer even if the SMGII is quicker. Not sure if I'll be able to resist the instant gratification of the #2 spot even if it is an SMGII though. Probably get caught in the heat of the moment...
I am #1 at my dealer, I put my name on the list last October but will likely sell my spot since I am 90% sure I am either going to get a Carrera S or 355. The friend that has the 355 I am looking at getting wants the slot and is willing to reduce the price for the slot. IF the manual becomes a 100% reality I may rethink this, if it isn't available at launch I will probably sell my slot and just jump back in when it is offered.
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