BMW: 4-Series News
#681
Suzuka Master
Seriously what happens when they sell 7 of these worldwide? How quick will the facelift be
#682
Senior Moderator
So long as BMW makes this ugly-as-fark car in white, it'll sell to my demographics.
#683
Ex-OEM King
Your demographic won't be the only one. They'll sell tons of these (in typical lease spec) because of the badge on the hood, nothing more.
#684
Senior Moderator
#685
Team Owner
#686
Team Owner
If you think about it, if i could ignore its ugliness, that means i am not a superficial person
Also i am actually kinda curious how their "Mild Hybrid" system works in the M440i... since M340i wont have it for a while...
#687
Team Owner
#688
Ex-OEM King
Hey hey... i'd buy it for discount and performance....
If you think about it, if i could ignore its ugliness, that means i am not a superficial person
Also i am actually kinda curious how their "Mild Hybrid" system works in the M440i... since M340i wont have it for a while...
If you think about it, if i could ignore its ugliness, that means i am not a superficial person
Also i am actually kinda curious how their "Mild Hybrid" system works in the M440i... since M340i wont have it for a while...
I'd just get a C43 AMG and call it good. Looks great, similar price tag, awesome performance. And it comes with Android Auto.
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00TL-P3.2 (06-17-2020)
#689
Team Owner
^Android auto is standard now on most of the newer BMWs and it is wireless too.
M340i is already faster than the C43... so i would think M440i with the small battery will be even faster
You know this is a cock contest afterall between those 2 cars
M340i is already faster than the C43... so i would think M440i with the small battery will be even faster
You know this is a cock contest afterall between those 2 cars
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#691
Team Owner
#692
Senior Moderator
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#693
Ex-OEM King
Don't care, both are absurdly fast for a road car. One looks awesome, the other doesn't.
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00TL-P3.2 (06-17-2020)
#694
Team Owner
I think the 4 series is ugly AF as well...
But i never liked the C class rear.. i think i said it when it first came out and i still hate it every time i see it
I might ditch all of them and get a SUV ... $$ talks..whatever is cheaper to get at the time
But i never liked the C class rear.. i think i said it when it first came out and i still hate it every time i see it
I might ditch all of them and get a SUV ... $$ talks..whatever is cheaper to get at the time
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00TL-P3.2 (06-17-2020)
#697
Moderator
#698
Senior Moderator
Merged.
#699
Suzuka Master
BMW sales reps when customers walk into the show room
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#700
Team Owner
I expect the 3 series will gain the sales that it lost to previous gen 4GC back very quickly...
Their logic doesnt make sense... so you dont want the 4 series to look like 2 series and 8 series yet every car in your line up have the same interior ....
All i read is BS excuses...
Their logic doesnt make sense... so you dont want the 4 series to look like 2 series and 8 series yet every car in your line up have the same interior ....
All i read is BS excuses...
The 2021 BMW 4 Series is, if nothing else, striking with its enormous, upright twin-kidney grille. And because the trend for car companies the last few years is to apply one design idea across the lineup to build the brand, detractors of the 4 Series design may fear it will spread to other models. Those folks can relax, as BMW's Head of Design Domagoj Dukec specifically said in a media roundtable discussion that this is a design that was specifically created for the 4 Series.
On a broad scale, he explained that with BMW's expansive line of vehicles, the brand wants to start differentiating each model more, giving them unique identities. As such, the design team made sure the 4 Series wasn't just a smaller version of the 8 Series, or a larger version of the 2 Series. He also noted that customers don't just want a different size of one style. As for why the 4 Series is particularly bold, part of that has to do with a design decision that the even-numbered coupe and coupe-like models are to be more expressive and distinct than the odd-numbered sedan and crossover models. The takeaway is that the 4 Series design won't spread to everything, and there will probably be more conservatively designed models in the future, including popular models like the 3 Series sedan.
Another interesting note about the 4 Series styling is that it wasn't influenced by one particular market. Some people have posited that the 4 Series has such a prominent grille because of demand from buyers in China, but Dukec denied that, also noting that China is not a particularly large market for the 4 Series, taking about 10% of the model. Instead, he said the design was meant to be widely appealing for all its markets.
What did influence the design of the nose was a combination of history and desire for design innovation. Dukec noted that BMW has a long history of more vertical kidney grilles, particularly early models that housed tall radiators. As such this 4 Series pays tribute to those cars. But as many modern BMWs have thin, wide twin-kidney grilles, it gave the large, vertical design an opportunity to break the mold, too. Some of the same thought went into the rear pillar design that only seems to hint at the trademark Hofmeister kink. But again, this is just one model, and such bold design will probably only carry over to other select BMWs, if any.
On a broad scale, he explained that with BMW's expansive line of vehicles, the brand wants to start differentiating each model more, giving them unique identities. As such, the design team made sure the 4 Series wasn't just a smaller version of the 8 Series, or a larger version of the 2 Series. He also noted that customers don't just want a different size of one style. As for why the 4 Series is particularly bold, part of that has to do with a design decision that the even-numbered coupe and coupe-like models are to be more expressive and distinct than the odd-numbered sedan and crossover models. The takeaway is that the 4 Series design won't spread to everything, and there will probably be more conservatively designed models in the future, including popular models like the 3 Series sedan.
Another interesting note about the 4 Series styling is that it wasn't influenced by one particular market. Some people have posited that the 4 Series has such a prominent grille because of demand from buyers in China, but Dukec denied that, also noting that China is not a particularly large market for the 4 Series, taking about 10% of the model. Instead, he said the design was meant to be widely appealing for all its markets.
What did influence the design of the nose was a combination of history and desire for design innovation. Dukec noted that BMW has a long history of more vertical kidney grilles, particularly early models that housed tall radiators. As such this 4 Series pays tribute to those cars. But as many modern BMWs have thin, wide twin-kidney grilles, it gave the large, vertical design an opportunity to break the mold, too. Some of the same thought went into the rear pillar design that only seems to hint at the trademark Hofmeister kink. But again, this is just one model, and such bold design will probably only carry over to other select BMWs, if any.
#701
Team Owner
Here is another new M4 render.
In these pictures, they look almost tolerable...
In these pictures, they look almost tolerable...
#702
#703
Team Owner
i am not gonna say that wont happen...
BTW: my 4GC needed tires long time ago.. i already replaced it with 340's new tires.
BTW: my 4GC needed tires long time ago.. i already replaced it with 340's new tires.
#704
Senior Moderator
#705
Team Owner
The back is what 99% of the people will ever see anyway :gheyfight:
#706
Senior Moderator
#707
With the downsizing of BMW, hopefully they will get rid of these horrendous design direction.
#708
Suzuka Master
#710
Senior Moderator
Seriously, it's a BMW-sponsored social experiment.
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justnspace (08-29-2020)
#712
Senior Moderator
Porsche, the Corvette (the new one), the RS6 Avant, the M5, Ferraris, Aston Martin...I could go on. I just think in THIS case, somebody took a bit too much legalized cannabis when designing and then approving this 4er.
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justnspace (08-29-2020)
#713
Suzuka Master
Well, hang on. I think there are still plenty of cars out there that make my heart race.
Porsche, the Corvette (the new one), the RS6 Avant, the M5, Ferraris, Aston Martin...I could go on. I just think in THIS case, somebody took a bit too much legalized cannabis when designing and then approving this 4er.
Porsche, the Corvette (the new one), the RS6 Avant, the M5, Ferraris, Aston Martin...I could go on. I just think in THIS case, somebody took a bit too much legalized cannabis when designing and then approving this 4er.
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00TL-P3.2 (08-31-2020)
#715
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#716
Senior Moderator
My bad, I missed the context of @justnspace 's post.
$50K...?
I am a big fan of the MX-5. The Alfa Giulia is also in that price point, right? BMW's still got some riots that didn't turn ugly like the M2? What about the Cayman?
$50K...?
I am a big fan of the MX-5. The Alfa Giulia is also in that price point, right? BMW's still got some riots that didn't turn ugly like the M2? What about the Cayman?
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00TL-P3.2 (08-31-2020)
#717
I'm the Firestarter
#718
Team Owner
Nope he has an Optima
#719
Moderator
#720
I'm the Firestarter
You're all jealous, he's got the best car
in the second best color
in the second best color