BMW: 3-Series News
#3921
Ex-OEM King
That is super fugly. Would rather have the Lexus than that.
#3922
Moderator
Someone at BMW has lost their mind.
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#3925
Team Owner
Is BMW Trolling us by putting another set of kidney upside down? That doesnt even look real
#3926
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
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#3927
Moderator
Saw a new 330i in Sunset Orange on the drive in to work this morning. Looks better in person, than in photos, IMO, for what I think was a base/lux model.
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#3928
2024 Honda Civic Type R
Saw a new 3 series and I did a double take because the new tails look like Lexus so much with being dark on top and just a small swoop of red below. Also didn't like the small DRL lines. Doesn't make it seem as luxurious. The new design is going to take some time to get used to.
#3929
Team Owner
They need to get the laser light to get the nicer DRL.... marketing FTW...
In order to get the laser light... you pretty much have to get everything else
Many people complained about the a la carte option list before.. well, they are doing the package shit now... and i hate it.
In order to get the laser light... you pretty much have to get everything else
Many people complained about the a la carte option list before.. well, they are doing the package shit now... and i hate it.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 09-05-2019 at 03:36 PM.
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#3930
Team Owner
Saw a new 3 series and I did a double take because the new tails look like Lexus so much with being dark on top and just a small swoop of red below. Also didn't like the small DRL lines. Doesn't make it seem as luxurious. The new design is going to take some time to get used to.
#3931
Moderator
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fra...staying-manual
The world is a troubling, vexing place to live at the moment. So take solace in a glimmer of hope from BMW, who’s confirmed the next-generation M3 and M4 will retain a manual gearbox as standard. Phew.
M Division boss Markus Flasch spoke to Top Gear at the Frankfurt motor show, confirming the next generation of his team’s core products will continue with straight-six power, nabbed from the latest X3 M and X4 M SUVs.
“This S58 engine will of course be the base for M3 and M4,” he said. “It’s our strongest ever straight-six and it’s already capable of 510 horsepower as basic, but it has not reached its fullest potential yet.”
A hint that the power output for the top-spec X3 M Competition might be a mere starting point for the M3 and M4 ranges, then. But that’s not the news to get most excited about.
“There is no point for us putting a manual gearbox into an SUV, but we will continue with a manual in the M3 and the M4. It’s a small percentage of sales – with the biggest community in the United States – but it’s something very specific that sets us apart from our competitors, because not everybody is capable of doing it. Even more so in future.”
So a DCT paddleshift transmission will remain optional, and the number one choice in most markets. But the old-fashioned among us can still indulge in doing things ourselves. “It adds a lot of character, and while it may not be the more competitive variant, people like it,” adds Flasch. “That’s the crucial thing about our business: we have huge heritage. People love M and recognise the three stripes, everyone knows what they stand for. So why make good things worse?”
It’s a sentiment vehemently rejected by Flasch’s counterpart at Mercedes-AMG, Tobias Moers, who almost spat out his coffee when we asked if he’d ever think about a retro-tastic manual in one of his future sports saloons.
“The manual gearbox is done. Yes of course, there’s the Porsche GT3, Aston with the Vantage… I know. But in the world of emissions, it’s a niche that needs a completely different calibration. Good luck with that. It’s a lot of work for not many sales.”
So, manual sports saloons. Are you with M or AMG?
M Division boss Markus Flasch spoke to Top Gear at the Frankfurt motor show, confirming the next generation of his team’s core products will continue with straight-six power, nabbed from the latest X3 M and X4 M SUVs.
“This S58 engine will of course be the base for M3 and M4,” he said. “It’s our strongest ever straight-six and it’s already capable of 510 horsepower as basic, but it has not reached its fullest potential yet.”
A hint that the power output for the top-spec X3 M Competition might be a mere starting point for the M3 and M4 ranges, then. But that’s not the news to get most excited about.
“There is no point for us putting a manual gearbox into an SUV, but we will continue with a manual in the M3 and the M4. It’s a small percentage of sales – with the biggest community in the United States – but it’s something very specific that sets us apart from our competitors, because not everybody is capable of doing it. Even more so in future.”
So a DCT paddleshift transmission will remain optional, and the number one choice in most markets. But the old-fashioned among us can still indulge in doing things ourselves. “It adds a lot of character, and while it may not be the more competitive variant, people like it,” adds Flasch. “That’s the crucial thing about our business: we have huge heritage. People love M and recognise the three stripes, everyone knows what they stand for. So why make good things worse?”
It’s a sentiment vehemently rejected by Flasch’s counterpart at Mercedes-AMG, Tobias Moers, who almost spat out his coffee when we asked if he’d ever think about a retro-tastic manual in one of his future sports saloons.
“The manual gearbox is done. Yes of course, there’s the Porsche GT3, Aston with the Vantage… I know. But in the world of emissions, it’s a niche that needs a completely different calibration. Good luck with that. It’s a lot of work for not many sales.”
So, manual sports saloons. Are you with M or AMG?
#3932
Team Owner
Yah i thought that was confirmed that M3/M4 Pure or the base trim will be RWD and have the 6mt option. The AWD upper trim will be 8AT or DCT only.
#3934
Liquid Ice
Finally took delivery of my M340i xDrive today!
Only drove it back home about an hour, and was messing with stuff the entire time, so not a great feel for the car yet - the exhaust is definitely quieter than my 2017 340i with MPPSK, but I've driven other M340i's that are louder, so I expect over time as the car breaks in the exhaust will liven up.
The car has some really cool automation features, like being able to take full control of the car and back into a space or parallel park for you (it even engages reverse or drive for you, you don't need to do anything except hover over the brakes incase it makes a mistake). The radar based cruise control is much improved over my F30 too and they've added in auto-steer and a Tesla-equse looking display that shows you cars in front, behind and next to you on the dash. It also has the ability to fully control the car, hands free up to 37mph but I haven't tested that yet.
No tests with the headlights yet either, only driven the car during the day so far.
The interior quality is a big step up over my F30, iDrive 7 has a ton more features and options too compared to iDrive 5.
The M340i xDrive is definitely more rear biased and will let you hang the tail out a lot more. It caught me by surprise today, I was fooling around and took a 90 degree right hand turn with traction control off (M Dynamic Mode on), hard on the throttle through the turn -- on my F30 doing that same thing, the car slides a little and then xDrive catches the car and points it straight again. On the M340i, it let me hang the tail out and slide through the turn - much more like a RWD car would behave.
Need to figure out how to turn off Active Sound though - it is really annoying!
Only drove it back home about an hour, and was messing with stuff the entire time, so not a great feel for the car yet - the exhaust is definitely quieter than my 2017 340i with MPPSK, but I've driven other M340i's that are louder, so I expect over time as the car breaks in the exhaust will liven up.
The car has some really cool automation features, like being able to take full control of the car and back into a space or parallel park for you (it even engages reverse or drive for you, you don't need to do anything except hover over the brakes incase it makes a mistake). The radar based cruise control is much improved over my F30 too and they've added in auto-steer and a Tesla-equse looking display that shows you cars in front, behind and next to you on the dash. It also has the ability to fully control the car, hands free up to 37mph but I haven't tested that yet.
No tests with the headlights yet either, only driven the car during the day so far.
The interior quality is a big step up over my F30, iDrive 7 has a ton more features and options too compared to iDrive 5.
The M340i xDrive is definitely more rear biased and will let you hang the tail out a lot more. It caught me by surprise today, I was fooling around and took a 90 degree right hand turn with traction control off (M Dynamic Mode on), hard on the throttle through the turn -- on my F30 doing that same thing, the car slides a little and then xDrive catches the car and points it straight again. On the M340i, it let me hang the tail out and slide through the turn - much more like a RWD car would behave.
Need to figure out how to turn off Active Sound though - it is really annoying!
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#3935
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Revitalize Mode
#3936
Moderator
#3939
Team Owner
Finally took delivery of my M340i xDrive today!
Only drove it back home about an hour, and was messing with stuff the entire time, so not a great feel for the car yet - the exhaust is definitely quieter than my 2017 340i with MPPSK, but I've driven other M340i's that are louder, so I expect over time as the car breaks in the exhaust will liven up.
The car has some really cool automation features, like being able to take full control of the car and back into a space or parallel park for you (it even engages reverse or drive for you, you don't need to do anything except hover over the brakes incase it makes a mistake). The radar based cruise control is much improved over my F30 too and they've added in auto-steer and a Tesla-equse looking display that shows you cars in front, behind and next to you on the dash. It also has the ability to fully control the car, hands free up to 37mph but I haven't tested that yet.
No tests with the headlights yet either, only driven the car during the day so far.
The interior quality is a big step up over my F30, iDrive 7 has a ton more features and options too compared to iDrive 5.
The M340i xDrive is definitely more rear biased and will let you hang the tail out a lot more. It caught me by surprise today, I was fooling around and took a 90 degree right hand turn with traction control off (M Dynamic Mode on), hard on the throttle through the turn -- on my F30 doing that same thing, the car slides a little and then xDrive catches the car and points it straight again. On the M340i, it let me hang the tail out and slide through the turn - much more like a RWD car would behave.
Need to figure out how to turn off Active Sound though - it is really annoying!
Only drove it back home about an hour, and was messing with stuff the entire time, so not a great feel for the car yet - the exhaust is definitely quieter than my 2017 340i with MPPSK, but I've driven other M340i's that are louder, so I expect over time as the car breaks in the exhaust will liven up.
The car has some really cool automation features, like being able to take full control of the car and back into a space or parallel park for you (it even engages reverse or drive for you, you don't need to do anything except hover over the brakes incase it makes a mistake). The radar based cruise control is much improved over my F30 too and they've added in auto-steer and a Tesla-equse looking display that shows you cars in front, behind and next to you on the dash. It also has the ability to fully control the car, hands free up to 37mph but I haven't tested that yet.
No tests with the headlights yet either, only driven the car during the day so far.
The interior quality is a big step up over my F30, iDrive 7 has a ton more features and options too compared to iDrive 5.
The M340i xDrive is definitely more rear biased and will let you hang the tail out a lot more. It caught me by surprise today, I was fooling around and took a 90 degree right hand turn with traction control off (M Dynamic Mode on), hard on the throttle through the turn -- on my F30 doing that same thing, the car slides a little and then xDrive catches the car and points it straight again. On the M340i, it let me hang the tail out and slide through the turn - much more like a RWD car would behave.
Need to figure out how to turn off Active Sound though - it is really annoying!
#3940
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
#3941
Senior Moderator
Saw someone with a courtesy car M340i this past Monday. Very nice looking package. I’ve only driven the 330i version of the F30 while at a BMW event and totally enjoyed it. I can only imagine how much better the 340i would be.
I will definitely keep an eye out for these in the used market as my TLX lease comes to a close in a couple of years.
I will definitely keep an eye out for these in the used market as my TLX lease comes to a close in a couple of years.
#3942
Team Owner
Saw someone with a courtesy car M340i this past Monday. Very nice looking package. I’ve only driven the 330i version of the F30 while at a BMW event and totally enjoyed it. I can only imagine how much better the 340i would be.
I will definitely keep an eye out for these in the used market as my TLX lease comes to a close in a couple of years.
I will definitely keep an eye out for these in the used market as my TLX lease comes to a close in a couple of years.
F30 340i is obviously better but that is also yesterday's news.
The new Gen G20... even the 330i is brilliant, M340i is 1 full level + some above the F30 340i...
But the taillight is still debatable to me
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#3943
Senior Moderator
F30 330i is shit in terms of BMW... it sucked balls in every aspect. If you enjoyed that... you will fall in love with the G20 ... 330i or M340i.
F30 340i is obviously better but that is also yesterday's news.
The new Gen G20... even the 330i is brilliant, M340i is 1 full level + some above the F30 340i...
But the taillight is still debatable to me
F30 340i is obviously better but that is also yesterday's news.
The new Gen G20... even the 330i is brilliant, M340i is 1 full level + some above the F30 340i...
But the taillight is still debatable to me
Photo from event. All good?
#3944
Team Owner
Yah... go with M sport... it is :tits:
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#3945
Team Owner
M340i FTW... weird how they compare a sedan with coupe.. they could not find any C43 Sedan
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LiQiCE (09-26-2019)
#3946
Liquid Ice
I finally drove at night yesterday. @oonowindoo I know you've been wondering about the lights
I have the laser lights -- the normal LED (non-highbeam) is brighter than on the F30, but I didn't notice a huge difference in the reach of the light. When the Laser Light high beams are ON though - it was significantly better than the F30's Adaptive LEDs with Auto-highbeam. It looked like a torch light with a beam of light being sent forward - and the distance the light reaches is significantly greater than the F30 - I'm not sure how much further, but it was noticeable. There unfortunately isn't a clear way to turn on the full adaptive high beams that selectively turn on the high beams to prevent blinding people. It can be coded with Esys (someone on bimmerpost is willing to do it if you pay him) - but I'd rather do it myself, so waiting for instructions or an app like Bimmercode to support it.
I have the laser lights -- the normal LED (non-highbeam) is brighter than on the F30, but I didn't notice a huge difference in the reach of the light. When the Laser Light high beams are ON though - it was significantly better than the F30's Adaptive LEDs with Auto-highbeam. It looked like a torch light with a beam of light being sent forward - and the distance the light reaches is significantly greater than the F30 - I'm not sure how much further, but it was noticeable. There unfortunately isn't a clear way to turn on the full adaptive high beams that selectively turn on the high beams to prevent blinding people. It can be coded with Esys (someone on bimmerpost is willing to do it if you pay him) - but I'd rather do it myself, so waiting for instructions or an app like Bimmercode to support it.
Last edited by LiQiCE; 09-26-2019 at 11:06 AM.
#3947
Team Owner
um... since I live in LA, the chance of using high beam is next to none.
Kinda disappointed to hear that the reach is not better cuz F30's adaptive LED without projectors sucks and that is supposed to be the best version among all F3X LEDs.
Kinda disappointed to hear that the reach is not better cuz F30's adaptive LED without projectors sucks and that is supposed to be the best version among all F3X LEDs.
#3948
Moderator
I finally drove at night yesterday. @oonowindoo I know you've been wondering about the lights
I have the laser lights -- the normal LED (non-highbeam) is brighter than on the F30, but I didn't notice a huge difference in the reach of the light. When the Laser Light high beams are ON though - it was significantly better than the F30's Adaptive LEDs with Auto-highbeam. It looked like a torch light with a beam of light being sent forward - and the distance the light reaches is significantly greater than the F30 - I'm not sure how much further, but it was noticeable. There unfortunately isn't a clear way to turn on the full adaptive high beams that selectively turn on the high beams to prevent blinding people. It can be coded with Esys (someone on bimmerpost is willing to do it if you pay him) - but I'd rather do it myself, so waiting for instructions or an app like Bimmercode to support it.
I have the laser lights -- the normal LED (non-highbeam) is brighter than on the F30, but I didn't notice a huge difference in the reach of the light. When the Laser Light high beams are ON though - it was significantly better than the F30's Adaptive LEDs with Auto-highbeam. It looked like a torch light with a beam of light being sent forward - and the distance the light reaches is significantly greater than the F30 - I'm not sure how much further, but it was noticeable. There unfortunately isn't a clear way to turn on the full adaptive high beams that selectively turn on the high beams to prevent blinding people. It can be coded with Esys (someone on bimmerpost is willing to do it if you pay him) - but I'd rather do it myself, so waiting for instructions or an app like Bimmercode to support it.
#3949
Team Owner
Did you do it yourself or you brought to someone?
#3951
Moderator
#3952
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
I'm reporting that post to the FBI
#3953
Ex-OEM King
Looks like it just got done gnawing down a tree to shore up its dam before the winter.
#3954
Race Director
All things being equal, you have to pick the BMW M340i here. It’s significantly quicker, its powertrain is more refined, and it has the richer interior, larger back seat, and bigger trunk. But all things aren’t equal. Our BMW test car cost the price of a new Nissan Versa more than the Genesis, and it’s the G70 that rides better and has more than enough performance and handling for 90 percent of drivers 95 percent of the time. Compared to the M340i, the G70 3.3T Sport represents an incredible value. It does everything nearly as well as the BMW, and it even manages to do a few things better. And you won’t be disappointed when hustling it around or when put your right foot down. It convincingly does both speed and luxury at a discount that the M340i, good as it is, struggles to overcome.
#3955
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Not going to disagree
But if you know, you know
M340i > G70
But if you know, you know
M340i > G70
#3956
Moderator
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#3957
Moderator
#3958
Liquid Ice
Because of this, a $51k MSRP G70 leases for more than a $60k MSRP M340i using actual lease residuals and money factors for October 2019 and you should get more equipment from a $60K MSRP on the M340i.
But holy crap - 3.8 second 0-60 is impressive on a RWD M340i that Card and Driver tested! I wonder if they tested with xDrive what would they get?
#3959
Team Owner
If it looks anything like this.. i think i am actually OK with it...
#3960
Moderator
Not terrible. But here, you know some will not put the front plate on it, so reserving judgement until seeing it in person.