BMW: 3-Series News
#3641
Team Owner
Yes it is
#3642
Azine Jabroni
I like them either way, but don't feed saintor
#3643
Moderator
It's a looker of a car, for sure; even if I still prefer the W205 #bias.
#3644
Azine Jabroni
I'm still hooked on the E90, personally. I know it's never coming back, but I wanted that car
#3645
Moderator
There hasn't really been an unattractive 3-series that I can remember (not talking specific models....E36 318ti)
#3646
Banned
#3647
Moderator
Looks fine to me. Thin spokes, simple. Though the above example is missing paddles shifters (or they're way too small).
#3648
Team Owner
They look fine to me... but you have a TLX, so your judgement is compromised anyway.
#3649
Azine Jabroni
I love BMW interiors. They aren't quite Audi but there is something signature BMW that I love. Just the right number of buttons.
#3650
Team Owner
I cannot stand BMW interiors. They’re so awfully boring and all look so goddamn similar, I can’t tell one from the next.
A guy I know has always owned numerous MBs and Audi’s, but never BMWs. I asked him why. He said “BMW interiors remind me of a funeral parlour and they just make me want to cry when I look at them”
I couldn't agree with him more.
A guy I know has always owned numerous MBs and Audi’s, but never BMWs. I asked him why. He said “BMW interiors remind me of a funeral parlour and they just make me want to cry when I look at them”
I couldn't agree with him more.
#3651
Team Owner
I wont say BMW has beautiful interior.. because they refused to change their layout. That is a good and bad thing depends on who you ask.
If you dont like similar interior within the brand, can you tell the difference between E class interior and S class? or now CLA? they all look the same to me.
Now you asked a guy who is obviously biased, then what did you expect? That is asking Kelly Conway if she thinks Trump is a better President than Obama... No shit.
Equally biased, if you asked me how i feel about Mercedes interior, i would tell you that i hate the dual square Ipad screens glued right in front of me and their infotainment system is shit and the ambiance lighting at night is like the you are back in the 80s, all it is missing is a disco ball.
So it is very subjective. Some people like the simplicity but functional interior and some people like the fancy looking interior.
I personally prefer the new 5 series interior... modern but simple, not a "Look at me" interior from the E and S class.
If you dont like similar interior within the brand, can you tell the difference between E class interior and S class? or now CLA? they all look the same to me.
Now you asked a guy who is obviously biased, then what did you expect? That is asking Kelly Conway if she thinks Trump is a better President than Obama... No shit.
Equally biased, if you asked me how i feel about Mercedes interior, i would tell you that i hate the dual square Ipad screens glued right in front of me and their infotainment system is shit and the ambiance lighting at night is like the you are back in the 80s, all it is missing is a disco ball.
So it is very subjective. Some people like the simplicity but functional interior and some people like the fancy looking interior.
I personally prefer the new 5 series interior... modern but simple, not a "Look at me" interior from the E and S class.
Last edited by oonowindoo; 10-01-2018 at 05:11 PM.
#3652
Banned
This new 3-series G20 interior looks much nicer than the spartan A4 B9. Yeah inspired by the 5-series. The design hasn't changed much. What changed is the quality perceived.
They look fine to me... but you have a TLX, so your judgement is compromised anyway.
#3653
Team Owner
i dont now, you drive a TLX in sport mode 99% of the time and complaining MPG, not me.
#3654
Banned
#3655
Team Owner
u r gonna get banned for name calling.
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#3657
Azine Jabroni
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Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
#3660
Senior Moderator
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#3662
Team Owner
#3663
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
#3664
Senior Moderator
This thread’s coming remarkably close to a lockdown.
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#3666
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Don't throw stones J
#3667
Team Owner
I’m just here to read about the 3 series...
#3668
Team Owner
Give your head a shake. You’re punishing anyone who wants to read about cars because one individual gets butthurt and purposely goes out and starts shit disturbing and name calling. And all you can do is sit on your ass and talk about closing another thread. Yeah, you’re really solving the problem. I thought trolling was a bannable offense. Why not actually be a mod and deal with the troll, the way they’re dealt with on any other car forum?
Seriously, I just want to read about cars and shoot the shit about them. Like most anybody who enters threads in Automotive News.
He’s just calling a spade a spade. There’s good reason why Saintor has been banned from all other forums.
Seriously, I just want to read about cars and shoot the shit about them. Like most anybody who enters threads in Automotive News.
#3669
Moderator
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...i-paris-debut/
The seventh-generation BMW 3 Series has a clear objective: To once again be the benchmark by which all other luxury/sport sedans are measured. A drive in a preproduction prototype made a solid first impression from a dynamic standpoint, and now, at this week's Paris Motor Show, I can bring you the full smattering of details about BMW's all-important G20 3 Series.
BMW will initially offer the 2019 3 Series in 330i and 330i xDrive guises -- the former with rear-wheel drive, the latter sending power to all four wheels. Power comes from a 2.0-liter turbocharged I4 engine, with 255 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque -- gains of 7 and 37, respectively, over the 2018 model. This is essentially a reworked version of the 2.0-liter engine found in the last-generation 3 Series, and it's a smooth, refined powerplant. BMW says the rear-drive 330i will be able to hit 60 miles per hour in 5.6 seconds, which is actually one-tenth of a second slower than its predecessor, though still respectably quick.
More powerful M340i and M340i xDrive models will arrive next spring, with "a new six-cylinder inline gasoline engine," according to BMW's statement. My best guess is a massaged version of the 3.0-liter turbo I6 BMW uses in its other 40i-badged cars, and the automaker says this new engine will produce 382 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque -- healthy increases over the 320 horsepower and 330 pound-feet offered by today's 340i sedan. BMW also says this new M340i should be capable of sprinting to 60 mph in about 4.2 seconds. And really, this increased power and better performance just better aligns the M340i with the sportier versions of competing sedans, like Audi's S4 or the Mercedes-AMG C43.
But get out your sad trombones, folks: BMW confirms the new 3 Series models will only be available with an eight-speed automatic transmission. That's right, regardless of engine, the six-speed manual is dead. No matter, the eight-speed auto is a great transmission, firing off smooth, quick shifts, and even works with navigation data and the adaptive cruise control radar to make sure the transmission is always on its best behavior. For example, map data will tell the 330i to hold gears if it knows you're moving quickly through tight bends. And if you're approaching a lead car in traffic, the transmission will downshift in advance to use engine braking in order to reduce speed.
As for future powertrain offerings, BMW says an "iPerformance model with the latest plug-in hybrid drive technology" -- which will simply be called 330e -- will arrive in 2020.
The new 3 Series is 121 pounds lighter than its predecessor, but keeps its perfect 50:50 front/rear weight distribution. The body structure is 25 percent stiffer than before, with as much as 50-percent improvements made in specific areas throughout the chassis. Combine that with excellent new suspension technology, and the 3 Series is poised to offer truly excellent handling on both smooth highways and bumpy back roads.
The big trick up the 3 Series' sleeve is its set of lift-related dampers, something I discussed in detail during my prototype drive this past summer. Basically, this system "adds extra hydraulic damping at the front axle and a compression limiting system at the rear," according to BMW. In not-so-technical terms, it means the car is both more comfortable over broken pavement and more natural in the way it rebounds. But it doesn't come at a loss of overall control or firmness under more dynamic settings. It's the best of both worlds.
BMW will use these lift-related dampers on both the standard and M Sport suspensions, the latter of which gets more rigid bearings, additional body struts and firmer springs and antiroll bars. The M Sport setup also lowers the ride height by about half an inch.
Opt for the Adaptive M suspension and you get more traditional damper technology, which combines the M Sport setup with electronic adjustability. Drivers can switch between Comfort and Sport profiles, as well as a fully Adaptive mode that makes adjustments based on driving style. I'll be eager to test the Adaptive M setup to see if it makes a noticeable improvement over the lift-related system. But from my test on German back roads -- as well as the Nurburgring -- I can't imagine people finding much fault with the new standard setup.
The one improvement I'm really hoping for involves the steering feel, or more importantly, the lack of it in the previous-generation 3 Series. Variable sport steering comes with the M Sport and Adaptive M suspension setups, and BMW says it's "more direct in its responses, even when only a slight steering input is applied." I wasn't totally in love with the setup in the prototype test car I drove this summer, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that a few tweaks were made prior to primetime.
Driver-assistance systems are in high supply. The new 3 Series can be equipped with adaptive cruise control with a stop-and-go function, forward collision warning with automatic emergency braking, lane-departure warning, lane-change warning, rear collision prevention and cross-traffic alert. BMW's Driving Assistant Professional bundles the adaptive cruise control, steering assist and lane-keeping tech into one, semi-automated experience, not unlike Nissan ProPilot.
BMW kept the 3 Series' dimensions roughly the same for its seventh generation. Yes, the 2019 model is 2.9 inches longer than its predecessor, but it's only about half an inch wider and taller. Unsurprisingly, the sedan doesn't appear to be too far beyond what you'd expect for a new 3 Series, though there's certainly a lot of sculpting happening up front. Elements like BMW's chunkier headlights (with standard full-LED lighting) and single-frame kidney grille link the new 3 to other, recently refreshed models. BMW offers optional adaptive LED headlights with its Laserlight tech, and feature a hexagonal daytime running lights. The Laserlights work by offering variable illumination of what's ahead with "a nondazzling high beam."
Moving inside, the 3 Series' interior design is, again, familiar. The optional, 12.3-inch digital gauge cluster from the new X5 is found here, as are bits of metal brightwork on the dash and digital readouts for the climate control temperature. The trunk's a bit bigger now, able to accommodate 17 cubic feet of cargo (up from 15.8). And hey, you can even order the 3 Series with a glass roof.
Myriad screens make up the 3 Series' cockpit, and two infotainment choices are available. Base cars use BMW's iDrive 6.0 tech, housed in an 8.8-inch central touchscreen with a 5.7-inch display set behind the steering wheel. Upgrade to what BMW calls its Live Cockpit Professional pack, and you get a 10.2-inch center display, complete with iDrive 7.0 -- the same as what's available in the new X5.
The 3 Series introduces BMW's new Intelligent Personal Assistant (no, not IPA, though one of those sounds delicious right about now), which works sort of like the AI tech built into Mercedes' new MBUX system. Basically, use the phrase "Hey, BMW" to activate the digital assistant, and use natural speech commands to control a number of functions. "Hey, BMW, I'm cold" will raise the interior temperature; "take me home" will put your address into the navigation system. BMW says you can even ask things like "Is the oil level OK?" or "What warning messages do I have?" to be updated on pertinent vehicle information. I'll be curious to test this tech in person, especially since my experiences with MBUXhave been hit or miss, to say the least.
The 330i will start at $40,200 with rear-wheel drive, not including $995 for destination and handling. The good news is, that's actually $50 less than the outgoing 330i sedan, though it's unclear exactly how much more xDrive all-wheel drive will cost, or what kind of premium you can expect to pay for the upcoming M340i.
Look for Roadshow's first test of the production 330i in the coming months, ahead of the car hitting US showrooms next March.
BMW will initially offer the 2019 3 Series in 330i and 330i xDrive guises -- the former with rear-wheel drive, the latter sending power to all four wheels. Power comes from a 2.0-liter turbocharged I4 engine, with 255 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque -- gains of 7 and 37, respectively, over the 2018 model. This is essentially a reworked version of the 2.0-liter engine found in the last-generation 3 Series, and it's a smooth, refined powerplant. BMW says the rear-drive 330i will be able to hit 60 miles per hour in 5.6 seconds, which is actually one-tenth of a second slower than its predecessor, though still respectably quick.
More powerful M340i and M340i xDrive models will arrive next spring, with "a new six-cylinder inline gasoline engine," according to BMW's statement. My best guess is a massaged version of the 3.0-liter turbo I6 BMW uses in its other 40i-badged cars, and the automaker says this new engine will produce 382 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque -- healthy increases over the 320 horsepower and 330 pound-feet offered by today's 340i sedan. BMW also says this new M340i should be capable of sprinting to 60 mph in about 4.2 seconds. And really, this increased power and better performance just better aligns the M340i with the sportier versions of competing sedans, like Audi's S4 or the Mercedes-AMG C43.
But get out your sad trombones, folks: BMW confirms the new 3 Series models will only be available with an eight-speed automatic transmission. That's right, regardless of engine, the six-speed manual is dead. No matter, the eight-speed auto is a great transmission, firing off smooth, quick shifts, and even works with navigation data and the adaptive cruise control radar to make sure the transmission is always on its best behavior. For example, map data will tell the 330i to hold gears if it knows you're moving quickly through tight bends. And if you're approaching a lead car in traffic, the transmission will downshift in advance to use engine braking in order to reduce speed.
As for future powertrain offerings, BMW says an "iPerformance model with the latest plug-in hybrid drive technology" -- which will simply be called 330e -- will arrive in 2020.
The new 3 Series is 121 pounds lighter than its predecessor, but keeps its perfect 50:50 front/rear weight distribution. The body structure is 25 percent stiffer than before, with as much as 50-percent improvements made in specific areas throughout the chassis. Combine that with excellent new suspension technology, and the 3 Series is poised to offer truly excellent handling on both smooth highways and bumpy back roads.
The big trick up the 3 Series' sleeve is its set of lift-related dampers, something I discussed in detail during my prototype drive this past summer. Basically, this system "adds extra hydraulic damping at the front axle and a compression limiting system at the rear," according to BMW. In not-so-technical terms, it means the car is both more comfortable over broken pavement and more natural in the way it rebounds. But it doesn't come at a loss of overall control or firmness under more dynamic settings. It's the best of both worlds.
BMW will use these lift-related dampers on both the standard and M Sport suspensions, the latter of which gets more rigid bearings, additional body struts and firmer springs and antiroll bars. The M Sport setup also lowers the ride height by about half an inch.
Opt for the Adaptive M suspension and you get more traditional damper technology, which combines the M Sport setup with electronic adjustability. Drivers can switch between Comfort and Sport profiles, as well as a fully Adaptive mode that makes adjustments based on driving style. I'll be eager to test the Adaptive M setup to see if it makes a noticeable improvement over the lift-related system. But from my test on German back roads -- as well as the Nurburgring -- I can't imagine people finding much fault with the new standard setup.
The one improvement I'm really hoping for involves the steering feel, or more importantly, the lack of it in the previous-generation 3 Series. Variable sport steering comes with the M Sport and Adaptive M suspension setups, and BMW says it's "more direct in its responses, even when only a slight steering input is applied." I wasn't totally in love with the setup in the prototype test car I drove this summer, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that a few tweaks were made prior to primetime.
Driver-assistance systems are in high supply. The new 3 Series can be equipped with adaptive cruise control with a stop-and-go function, forward collision warning with automatic emergency braking, lane-departure warning, lane-change warning, rear collision prevention and cross-traffic alert. BMW's Driving Assistant Professional bundles the adaptive cruise control, steering assist and lane-keeping tech into one, semi-automated experience, not unlike Nissan ProPilot.
BMW kept the 3 Series' dimensions roughly the same for its seventh generation. Yes, the 2019 model is 2.9 inches longer than its predecessor, but it's only about half an inch wider and taller. Unsurprisingly, the sedan doesn't appear to be too far beyond what you'd expect for a new 3 Series, though there's certainly a lot of sculpting happening up front. Elements like BMW's chunkier headlights (with standard full-LED lighting) and single-frame kidney grille link the new 3 to other, recently refreshed models. BMW offers optional adaptive LED headlights with its Laserlight tech, and feature a hexagonal daytime running lights. The Laserlights work by offering variable illumination of what's ahead with "a nondazzling high beam."
Moving inside, the 3 Series' interior design is, again, familiar. The optional, 12.3-inch digital gauge cluster from the new X5 is found here, as are bits of metal brightwork on the dash and digital readouts for the climate control temperature. The trunk's a bit bigger now, able to accommodate 17 cubic feet of cargo (up from 15.8). And hey, you can even order the 3 Series with a glass roof.
Myriad screens make up the 3 Series' cockpit, and two infotainment choices are available. Base cars use BMW's iDrive 6.0 tech, housed in an 8.8-inch central touchscreen with a 5.7-inch display set behind the steering wheel. Upgrade to what BMW calls its Live Cockpit Professional pack, and you get a 10.2-inch center display, complete with iDrive 7.0 -- the same as what's available in the new X5.
The 3 Series introduces BMW's new Intelligent Personal Assistant (no, not IPA, though one of those sounds delicious right about now), which works sort of like the AI tech built into Mercedes' new MBUX system. Basically, use the phrase "Hey, BMW" to activate the digital assistant, and use natural speech commands to control a number of functions. "Hey, BMW, I'm cold" will raise the interior temperature; "take me home" will put your address into the navigation system. BMW says you can even ask things like "Is the oil level OK?" or "What warning messages do I have?" to be updated on pertinent vehicle information. I'll be curious to test this tech in person, especially since my experiences with MBUXhave been hit or miss, to say the least.
The 330i will start at $40,200 with rear-wheel drive, not including $995 for destination and handling. The good news is, that's actually $50 less than the outgoing 330i sedan, though it's unclear exactly how much more xDrive all-wheel drive will cost, or what kind of premium you can expect to pay for the upcoming M340i.
Look for Roadshow's first test of the production 330i in the coming months, ahead of the car hitting US showrooms next March.
#3670
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#3672
Moderator
M-sport looks good. Non-M-sport is iffy.
Link had a couple photos of a 3rd trim that looks more aggressive than the blue M-sport. M340 maybe?
Odd to me to call the 4cyl a 330i. To me that reminds too much of the E36/E43 I6 cars to put a 4cyl in.
Link had a couple photos of a 3rd trim that looks more aggressive than the blue M-sport. M340 maybe?
Odd to me to call the 4cyl a 330i. To me that reminds too much of the E36/E43 I6 cars to put a 4cyl in.
#3673
Team Owner
Ok, not gonna lie... the new 3 series back end reminds of the TLX Aspec.
Shrink the exhaust tips a bit and body color match the black plastic around the exhaust tips and voila... new 3 series!
I really admire BMW for their engineering. Their styling though... I can’t tell any of their cars apart without taking a good look at one first. Any other brand, you just glimpse at a car and know what you’re looking at.
Shrink the exhaust tips a bit and body color match the black plastic around the exhaust tips and voila... new 3 series!
I really admire BMW for their engineering. Their styling though... I can’t tell any of their cars apart without taking a good look at one first. Any other brand, you just glimpse at a car and know what you’re looking at.
#3674
Azine Jabroni
Okay, I take back what I said after looking at the close up shot. Probably a few too many buttons.
#3675
Team Owner
The headlights do look crazy on the inside, though. Mi gusta.
#3676
Moderator
Assumptions:
Base 330i
M-Sport 330i
M340i
Base 330i
M-Sport 330i
M340i
#3677
Moderator
#3678
Team Owner
So 4 cylinders get the round exhaust and M340i gets the Lexus looking fake ones...
#3679
Azine Jabroni
I just don't get it. Just use real exhaust tips. No one driving a 340i is kidding themselves about emissions.
#3680