BMW: 3-Series News
#2161
Originally Posted by aesir11
Huh. How do you not see this car already in nasty competition. All the competitors are already rolling V8s.
Lets see:
Lexus IS500 F
Audi RS4
Cadillac CTS-V
Benz C55 AMG
Lets see:
Lexus IS500 F
Audi RS4
Cadillac CTS-V
Benz C55 AMG
#2162
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http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=173359
Looks like the sedan will have the coupes headlights?
Looks like the sedan will have the coupes headlights?
#2163
Brand new and one taillight is out already.
#2165
Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
er i think thats the fog light. Notice how the 3rd brake light isnt on...
#2168
Originally Posted by Brandon24pdx
Eh, not feeling this car will be worth what they want for it. I like the 335i best so far.
#2169
Originally Posted by cob3683
$53,000 base could be fairly close (probably going to be $55-56)
Can't wait to see this baby hit.....
Can't wait to see this baby hit.....
#2170
Originally Posted by gavriil
These are numbers at the crank. The numbers at the wheel are very high 290s for both HP and torque.
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Originally Posted by theslik1
I'll repeat. Shiv's Xede-modified 335i's are dynoing 340+ hp and 370+ tq on 93. That's rear wheel horsepower, not crank. Nobody cares what they're making at the flywheel. No other mods either (stock intake, exhaust, BOV's, etc).
#2175
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sounds great....
#2176
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Still sounds good though.
#2181
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i love it... any clearer pics? looks like it is Car magazine from the UK....
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/magazin...e_territory=UK
Whiskers can you get a copy and scan us some pics?
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/magazin...e_territory=UK
Whiskers can you get a copy and scan us some pics?
#2182
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Why is the driver on the right?
#2183
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Originally Posted by M3 Post
Supposedly official pics?
From the article:
Price - £48,000 GBP
Engine - 4.0 V8, 420BHP
Transmission - Six-Speed manual, rear-wheel drive, torque sensing lockable diff
Performance - 0-62mph 4.9 secs, 155mph (limited)
From the article:
Price - £48,000 GBP
Engine - 4.0 V8, 420BHP
Transmission - Six-Speed manual, rear-wheel drive, torque sensing lockable diff
Performance - 0-62mph 4.9 secs, 155mph (limited)
but if you keep reading some who actually works for BMW replies and points out a lot of details in the pictures which suggest photo-shop...
Originally Posted by Supposed guy from BMW
PSHOP!!!!
Hi people just wanna say hi and shed sum light on the above article..... I myself work for a BMW Here in the UK and can confirm with you that the car pictured is a 335i that has been photoshoped.
Here are your clues.
The car is pictured with a Chrome window surround..... M3 will have a Black or high gloss shadow line.
The front fenders are not flared
Bonnet buldge not consistent in all pics.
Wheels in motion - not showing proper M Wheels
No M Sport seats in cabin.
All 4 Tail pipes are too large and look disperportioned with Mules etc. plus no clear view of front bumper .
Absence of true front fender vent, the one pictured copied off an m6.
So i say to you all dont take to much intrest in what you see here cause its probably going look very different.
Hi people just wanna say hi and shed sum light on the above article..... I myself work for a BMW Here in the UK and can confirm with you that the car pictured is a 335i that has been photoshoped.
Here are your clues.
The car is pictured with a Chrome window surround..... M3 will have a Black or high gloss shadow line.
The front fenders are not flared
Bonnet buldge not consistent in all pics.
Wheels in motion - not showing proper M Wheels
No M Sport seats in cabin.
All 4 Tail pipes are too large and look disperportioned with Mules etc. plus no clear view of front bumper .
Absence of true front fender vent, the one pictured copied off an m6.
So i say to you all dont take to much intrest in what you see here cause its probably going look very different.
#2184
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Originally Posted by Speed_Racer
Why is the driver on the right?
he is in the is in the opposite side in that side view picture... haha...
#2186
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
If CARmagazine has it on their site then im gonna guess the pics are real.
Plus that guy who says works for BMW has only one post. I think hes a fake.
Plus that guy who says works for BMW has only one post. I think hes a fake.
forgetting the guy from BMW, how reputable is CAR magazine?
I haven't heard of them before, but they are from the UK. Anyone ever read their magazine?
i mean i am not complaining... it looks good...
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Originally Posted by savage
forgetting the guy from BMW, how reputable is CAR magazine?
I haven't heard of them before, but they are from the UK. Anyone ever read their magazine?
i mean i am not complaining... it looks good...
I haven't heard of them before, but they are from the UK. Anyone ever read their magazine?
i mean i am not complaining... it looks good...
I fell in love with the Peugeot 205GTi because of that magazine
I've been partial to hot hatches ever since.
#2189
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Yea i always read their magazine when im at Tower Records. They legit and been around for awhile now.
ok sounds good... i cant wait for more detailed specs or a clearer copy of that magazine, i will stop by Barnes and Noble tonight if i can...
i just question the 4.9 sec 0-62 listed... i would think it would be a bit faster than that... what was the E46 M3?
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Originally Posted by savage
ok sounds good... i cant wait for more detailed specs or a clearer copy of that magazine, i will stop by Barnes and Noble tonight if i can...
i just question the 4.9 sec 0-62 listed... i would think it would be a bit faster than that... what was the E46 M3?
i just question the 4.9 sec 0-62 listed... i would think it would be a bit faster than that... what was the E46 M3?
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BMW 335i SE Coupé - - By Jeremy Clarkson - - Source: http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/
Last summer, while you were on holiday, I was in the high desert of California tearing around a racetrack in a selection of powerful and exotic cars.
Each night I’d get to the bar in the hotel and relive some of the better moments from my day. The time when the Dodge Viper stuck a wheel on the gravel and made earthquake noises as I wrestled to regain control. The time when I executed a perfect power slide in a Corvette Z06. The time when I hit the ton in Ariel’s little Atom.
And then, the next morning, there’d be an all new selection of cars to drive, and that night an all new selection of he-man tittle-tattle. Then one day I arrived at the track to find, sitting in the early morning desert sunshine, a BMW Z4-M.
Oh dear. This was a bit like sending a food critic to the best restaurant in the world and presenting him with a Big Mac. It looked all wrong, parked among the Vipers and the Ferraris and the hyper-tuned Mustangs. It looked boring and grey. A Liberal Democrat in a sea of Monster Raving Loonies.
With a limp heart and not much enthusiasm I eased out onto the track and, with my mind in neutral, set off to slither about for the cameras.
The thing is, though, that after a short while it became screamingly obvious that despite the girl-next-door looks and the miserable 3.2 litres of homo-power, this car was head and shoulders above everything else I’d driven out there.
Where a Viper or a ’Vette shouts and waves its arms about, the little Beemer just gets on with the job of going fast and telegraphing messages to the seat of your pants and your fingertips, instantly and with no ambiguity at all. Out there in the desert, it was a sniper’s rifle in a field of howitzers and mortars.
We see this with a lot of BMWs. You may not like the people who drive them. You may not like the styling. You may not like the way they supported the Nazi war machine or what they did to Rover. You may have a million reasons why you would never buy such a thing — I know I have — but the simple truth remains: when it comes to the business of driving, they really are very good indeed.
Lots of cars, for instance, are fitted with antilock brakes, but the system fitted to a BMW is just better. It only cuts in when you are in real trouble, and not — as is usually the case with modern cars — far too prematurely.
And then there are the brakes themselves. We’ve often wondered on Top Gear why BMWs always set such fast lap times round our track. You look at the power. You look at the weight. And you can’t really see how it got round so quickly. The Stig always has the same answer. “It’s the brakes,” he says. In Martian.
Because they’re so good, and because the ABS doesn’t stumble into the equation when it’s not wanted, you can hit the middle pedal later than you would in any other car. And when you are against the clock, that makes a huge difference.
I would have to say though that in recent years some of the handling fizz has gone. A modern 3-series, for instance, is nowhere near as electrifying as a 3-series from, say, 1984. But that said it’s also less dangerous. You get a small hint of understeer to let you know that maybe you’re going a bit too quickly, and then a little yellow light on the dash to say that underneath it all the traction control system is working its magic on the rear end. In an old Beemer you were still grinning from ear to ear, completely oblivious to any danger, when you hit the tree.
And then of course we get to BMW’s engines. The V10 in the M5. The straight six in the M3. And — whisper it — their big diesel. Each has a remarkable knack of blending the need for speed with the peculiar need western man has developed for saving the sky.
Yes, of course, the 1-series is a ghastly little car with very little interior space, a boot the size of a matchbox and bread-van styling, but to drive it’s lovely. And it’s the same story with the 7-series, and even the Z4 hard top, which beneath that wart of a rear end is a honey. In fact, the only car in the whole BMW range that completely fails to float my boat is the 3-series.
Stung by criticism of the more avant-garde styling seen on other models, BMW took a step back with this car and ended up with 14ft of automotive wallpaper. It’s just a bonnet, a cockpit and a boot. And the last one I drove was more dreary than shopping for bathroom cleaning products.
I really wasn’t holding out much hope, therefore, for its coupé sister, the 335i.
As usual BMW claims that it’s an all-new car and that every panel is different from the saloon’s. But it still looks dull. You’d only really want to get inside it if you were being chased by an armed gang from Shining Path.
And then, when you did get inside, you’d want to get right back out again. In other coupés, from say, Alfa Romeo and Audi, you get all sorts of fancy bits and bobs, but not in the Beemer. Here you get exactly the same dash that you find in the saloon. It’s as dull and as featureless as the inside of a Cheeky Girl’s head.
At first glance, then, I could not — and would not — bring myself to buy this car. And certainly not for £33,420, which is a damn sight more than you’re asked to pay for a Mazda RX-8.
Yes, the rear seats in the BMW are as big as a sofa, and yes, the days when BMW made you pay extra for windows are gone. But even so, £33,420 for a car that doesn’t even look as good as a Hyundai? You’d have to be mad.
And there’s more to worry about, because although it says 335 on the back it doesn’t have a 3.5 litre engine. What you get instead is a 3 litre straight six, which is force-fed its diet of air by two small turbochargers.
On paper this sounds fine. Because they’re small, they don’t take an age to reach operating speed, which means there’s no turbo lag.
But because each one is feeding only three cylinders, you still have loads of power and loads of torque.
The worry is that BMW may have fallen into the same trap as Volkswagen, which tried a similar two-stage system on the Golf GT I reviewed recently. That didn’t work at all. It was horrid and jerky and pointless.
In the BMW, though, there are no problems at all. If you really, really concentrate you still cannot tell it’s turbocharged. Put your foot down and immediately there’s a meaty, almost diesel-esque shove in the back. But where a diesel would be out of puff after a moment or two, the Beemer just keeps on accelerating in a wall of subdued fury — for about nine and a half weeks.
This engine is little short of a masterpiece. There’s so much low-down grunt that even the BMW traction control system — a good one normally — is regularly woken from its electronic slumber by the wave of torque.
And of course it’s all fitted to a perfectly balanced chassis with the usual array of excellent steering, fine brakes and a nicely chosen balance between comfort and handling.
As a driver’s car, then, this is yet another winner. But I still wouldn’t buy one.
You need to think of it as a painting by the world’s greatest artist. Yes, the brush strokes are magnificent. Yes, the texture is superb. Yes, the perspective is world class and the detailing is better than you’d get from Leonardo.
But what he’s actually painted in this case is big dog turd.
Vital statistics
Model BMW 335i SE Coupé
Engine 2979cc, six cylinders
Power 306bhp @ 5800rpm
Torque 295 lb ft @ 1300rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Fuel 29.7mpg (combined cycle)
CO2 228g/km
Acceleration 0-62mph: 5.5sec
Top speed 155mph
Price £33,420
Rating Three stars (out of five)
Verdict Nice motor, shame about the car
Each night I’d get to the bar in the hotel and relive some of the better moments from my day. The time when the Dodge Viper stuck a wheel on the gravel and made earthquake noises as I wrestled to regain control. The time when I executed a perfect power slide in a Corvette Z06. The time when I hit the ton in Ariel’s little Atom.
And then, the next morning, there’d be an all new selection of cars to drive, and that night an all new selection of he-man tittle-tattle. Then one day I arrived at the track to find, sitting in the early morning desert sunshine, a BMW Z4-M.
Oh dear. This was a bit like sending a food critic to the best restaurant in the world and presenting him with a Big Mac. It looked all wrong, parked among the Vipers and the Ferraris and the hyper-tuned Mustangs. It looked boring and grey. A Liberal Democrat in a sea of Monster Raving Loonies.
With a limp heart and not much enthusiasm I eased out onto the track and, with my mind in neutral, set off to slither about for the cameras.
The thing is, though, that after a short while it became screamingly obvious that despite the girl-next-door looks and the miserable 3.2 litres of homo-power, this car was head and shoulders above everything else I’d driven out there.
Where a Viper or a ’Vette shouts and waves its arms about, the little Beemer just gets on with the job of going fast and telegraphing messages to the seat of your pants and your fingertips, instantly and with no ambiguity at all. Out there in the desert, it was a sniper’s rifle in a field of howitzers and mortars.
We see this with a lot of BMWs. You may not like the people who drive them. You may not like the styling. You may not like the way they supported the Nazi war machine or what they did to Rover. You may have a million reasons why you would never buy such a thing — I know I have — but the simple truth remains: when it comes to the business of driving, they really are very good indeed.
Lots of cars, for instance, are fitted with antilock brakes, but the system fitted to a BMW is just better. It only cuts in when you are in real trouble, and not — as is usually the case with modern cars — far too prematurely.
And then there are the brakes themselves. We’ve often wondered on Top Gear why BMWs always set such fast lap times round our track. You look at the power. You look at the weight. And you can’t really see how it got round so quickly. The Stig always has the same answer. “It’s the brakes,” he says. In Martian.
Because they’re so good, and because the ABS doesn’t stumble into the equation when it’s not wanted, you can hit the middle pedal later than you would in any other car. And when you are against the clock, that makes a huge difference.
I would have to say though that in recent years some of the handling fizz has gone. A modern 3-series, for instance, is nowhere near as electrifying as a 3-series from, say, 1984. But that said it’s also less dangerous. You get a small hint of understeer to let you know that maybe you’re going a bit too quickly, and then a little yellow light on the dash to say that underneath it all the traction control system is working its magic on the rear end. In an old Beemer you were still grinning from ear to ear, completely oblivious to any danger, when you hit the tree.
And then of course we get to BMW’s engines. The V10 in the M5. The straight six in the M3. And — whisper it — their big diesel. Each has a remarkable knack of blending the need for speed with the peculiar need western man has developed for saving the sky.
Yes, of course, the 1-series is a ghastly little car with very little interior space, a boot the size of a matchbox and bread-van styling, but to drive it’s lovely. And it’s the same story with the 7-series, and even the Z4 hard top, which beneath that wart of a rear end is a honey. In fact, the only car in the whole BMW range that completely fails to float my boat is the 3-series.
Stung by criticism of the more avant-garde styling seen on other models, BMW took a step back with this car and ended up with 14ft of automotive wallpaper. It’s just a bonnet, a cockpit and a boot. And the last one I drove was more dreary than shopping for bathroom cleaning products.
I really wasn’t holding out much hope, therefore, for its coupé sister, the 335i.
As usual BMW claims that it’s an all-new car and that every panel is different from the saloon’s. But it still looks dull. You’d only really want to get inside it if you were being chased by an armed gang from Shining Path.
And then, when you did get inside, you’d want to get right back out again. In other coupés, from say, Alfa Romeo and Audi, you get all sorts of fancy bits and bobs, but not in the Beemer. Here you get exactly the same dash that you find in the saloon. It’s as dull and as featureless as the inside of a Cheeky Girl’s head.
At first glance, then, I could not — and would not — bring myself to buy this car. And certainly not for £33,420, which is a damn sight more than you’re asked to pay for a Mazda RX-8.
Yes, the rear seats in the BMW are as big as a sofa, and yes, the days when BMW made you pay extra for windows are gone. But even so, £33,420 for a car that doesn’t even look as good as a Hyundai? You’d have to be mad.
And there’s more to worry about, because although it says 335 on the back it doesn’t have a 3.5 litre engine. What you get instead is a 3 litre straight six, which is force-fed its diet of air by two small turbochargers.
On paper this sounds fine. Because they’re small, they don’t take an age to reach operating speed, which means there’s no turbo lag.
But because each one is feeding only three cylinders, you still have loads of power and loads of torque.
The worry is that BMW may have fallen into the same trap as Volkswagen, which tried a similar two-stage system on the Golf GT I reviewed recently. That didn’t work at all. It was horrid and jerky and pointless.
In the BMW, though, there are no problems at all. If you really, really concentrate you still cannot tell it’s turbocharged. Put your foot down and immediately there’s a meaty, almost diesel-esque shove in the back. But where a diesel would be out of puff after a moment or two, the Beemer just keeps on accelerating in a wall of subdued fury — for about nine and a half weeks.
This engine is little short of a masterpiece. There’s so much low-down grunt that even the BMW traction control system — a good one normally — is regularly woken from its electronic slumber by the wave of torque.
And of course it’s all fitted to a perfectly balanced chassis with the usual array of excellent steering, fine brakes and a nicely chosen balance between comfort and handling.
As a driver’s car, then, this is yet another winner. But I still wouldn’t buy one.
You need to think of it as a painting by the world’s greatest artist. Yes, the brush strokes are magnificent. Yes, the texture is superb. Yes, the perspective is world class and the detailing is better than you’d get from Leonardo.
But what he’s actually painted in this case is big dog turd.
Vital statistics
Model BMW 335i SE Coupé
Engine 2979cc, six cylinders
Power 306bhp @ 5800rpm
Torque 295 lb ft @ 1300rpm
Transmission Six-speed manual
Fuel 29.7mpg (combined cycle)
CO2 228g/km
Acceleration 0-62mph: 5.5sec
Top speed 155mph
Price £33,420
Rating Three stars (out of five)
Verdict Nice motor, shame about the car
#2193
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The car is a great design. I like it and would have no problem purchasing one.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The car is a great design. I like it and would have no problem purchasing one.
#2195
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I am a huge BMW fan, but what Clarkson stated is the truth. BMW's design theme has become too mainstream. The new designs lack character and soul. It seems that BMW has become WAY too conservative in their designs since the outlash created after Bangle penned the 745.
Actually thats Clarksons and your opinion, not a fact.
I dont think they are being too conservative, its just that the public has gotten use to the designs. IMO
#2196
Clarkson on BMW's 335i: "Nice motor, shame about the car"
Originally Posted by lfn.com
Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear fame got a chance to get behind the wheel of BMW's new 335i coupe and he shares his thoughts in a new column published in Britain's Sunday Times. As always, Clarkson's feelings are mixed, to say the least.
On the one hand, Mr. Clarkson describes the 335i's twin-turbocharged engine as "little short of a masterpiece." According to Clarkson, "there's so much low-down grunt that even the BMW traction control system — a good one normally — is regularly woken from its electronic slumber by the wave of torque." What's more, the engine is "fitted to a perfectly balanced chassis with the usual array of excellent steering, fine brakes and a nicely chosen balance between comfort and handling."
But there's one big problem, says Clarkson. "£33,420 for a car that doesn't even look as good as a Hyundai? You’d have to be mad." Suffice to say, Clarkson isn't impressed by the coupe's relatively conservative styling. "You need to think of it as a painting by the world’s greatest artist. Yes, the brush strokes are magnificent. Yes, the texture is superb. Yes, the perspective is world class and the detailing is better than you’d get from Leonardo. […] But what he’s actually painted in this case is big dog turd."
On the one hand, Mr. Clarkson describes the 335i's twin-turbocharged engine as "little short of a masterpiece." According to Clarkson, "there's so much low-down grunt that even the BMW traction control system — a good one normally — is regularly woken from its electronic slumber by the wave of torque." What's more, the engine is "fitted to a perfectly balanced chassis with the usual array of excellent steering, fine brakes and a nicely chosen balance between comfort and handling."
But there's one big problem, says Clarkson. "£33,420 for a car that doesn't even look as good as a Hyundai? You’d have to be mad." Suffice to say, Clarkson isn't impressed by the coupe's relatively conservative styling. "You need to think of it as a painting by the world’s greatest artist. Yes, the brush strokes are magnificent. Yes, the texture is superb. Yes, the perspective is world class and the detailing is better than you’d get from Leonardo. […] But what he’s actually painted in this case is big dog turd."
#2197
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You comparing a G35 concept to the production E92?
Not really fair there...
Anywho, repost. https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...postcount=1468
Not really fair there...
Anywho, repost. https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...postcount=1468
#2199
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Originally Posted by Doom878
I still don't see these too much and Miami's a big BMW dick riding town. 7's are everywhere and its competitors like the IS and G. I love this car but is it that hard to find?
I drove the 6 spd there in November.
#2200
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I think the styling of the 335i coupe is definitely a departure from the E46 but is it as bad as Clarkson says? No.
Again the problem with editorials (written or otherwise) is that they have to say SOMETHING so he just decides to be contrarian every now and again.
After looking at JackieO's 335i I've gotta say I'd gladly own one.
Again the problem with editorials (written or otherwise) is that they have to say SOMETHING so he just decides to be contrarian every now and again.
After looking at JackieO's 335i I've gotta say I'd gladly own one.