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Old 01-08-2019, 02:59 PM
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https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/07/...30-body-shell/

Remember Porsche's Project Gold? Last year, Porsche built the last factory-new 993 generation 911 Turbo they're likely to make, using a new-old-stock body shell that had been hanging around their factory premises. Now, it's your chance to do a similar revival of a classic BMW M3, as a rare unused NOS body shell has surfaced in Dallas.

The seller says the $30,000 body shell is possibly the last unused and unregistered factory E30 M3 shell left in existence. Even if another one was still holed up somewhere in a BMW storage facility, or in a weird shrine dedicated to BMW's Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters achievements, there's a very good chance this is the only one of its kind in North America — if you have one in your garage, we'd be delighted to amend our article. In any case, the primer-grey shell still wears all its factory tags, with its part number 41 00 1 979 078 visible in several places.

There are no front wings, doors, hood, trunklid or anything else than the base, sound deadened-body shell, but it's still clearly an M3 item, as the rear quarters have characteristic widebody wheel arches and the C-pillar is M3-specific — one of the things that make the E30 M3 a coupe compared to the regular two-door E30, according to some. The body has also never been assigned a VIN tag, and it's likely never to have held a 200-hp S14 four-cylinder engine between its front frame rails. According to the seller, the M3 body was stored in a bubble for ages, and it's been with him for 15 years. The level of care is notable, as the seller says the body shell has been swapped over from its original factory dolly to a new one to meet U.S. import requirements.

So, to an E30 M3 buff, this is as close to a perfect blank canvas as possible. Bring your own doors and your own crate engine, and make this the best example you can think of. Bringing a regular, used donor body to this condition would go a long way towards $30,000.






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Spending $30k as essentially a down payment to make a slow kit car doesn't seem particularly appealing...
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Both G20 330i and Z4 build are up at BMWUSA. You can play around with it you are interested.

M340i is not gonna be available probably for another few months.

I built a 330i with the way i probably would get at $52k.

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So I just built one too. My biggest complaint with the F30 was that cooled seats weren't an option. However, how does this one not have it either? That's my favorite new luxury feature on cars.

However, it's a really beautiful car, I am sure BMW will sell a bunch of these.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo View Post
Both G20 330i and Z4 build are up at BMWUSA. You can play around with it you are interested.

M340i is not gonna be available probably for another few months.

I built a 330i with the way i probably would get at $52k.

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You are more conservative than I am, I landed at ~$57k mostly because I want all the safety/self driving stuff. What I don't understand is why all this is a rather expensive options package rather than standard like it is on the Accord, RAV4, Corolla, all Subarus, etc...
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When I went to the BMW HQ, I saw all manner of pristine BMWs past and present. But a pristine red E30 M3 was the one that made my weewee feel the funniest.

Yeah you'd need to spend a lot to make it road ready, but I'm sure somebody has scooped it up by now - if not, very soon.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1 View Post
You are more conservative than I am, I landed at ~$57k mostly because I want all the safety/self driving stuff. What I don't understand is why all this is a rather expensive options package rather than standard like it is on the Accord, RAV4, Corolla, all Subarus, etc...
i am on the opposite. I dislike all of those lane assist kinda crap. My current car has all the options, except for the $500 nanny package that i purposely removed from my build sheet.

Remember F30 320 still had Halogen lights as standard.

In the Luxury segment, Free is cheap... and people are willing to pay for "free stuff", so why not? Acura has proven that Value buys dont work.
Also features are not created equal. I would rather pay for better quality features, than the free stuff.
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i am on the opposite. I dislike all of those lane assist kinda crap. My current car has all the options, except for the $500 nanny package that i purposely removed from my build sheet.

Remember F30 320 still had Halogen lights as standard.

In the Luxury segment, Free is cheap... and people are willing to pay for "free stuff", so why not? Acura has proven that Value buys dont work.
Also features are not created equal. I would rather pay for better quality features, than the free stuff.
Nah, if Acura actually made a good car that people wanted at a lower price point, I'm sure they'd sell quite a lot more of them. This is the entire story of how Lexus came to be.

I have all the stuff on my Golf and the wife has it on her Subaru, I absolutely love it for long drives. Makes it much less stressful. Also, at this point all features are basically equal. All of the safety tech is mature enough that they are all basically the same but if you want to talk about features not being equal lets talk about power window regulators, exploding cooling systems, and rampant rod bearing failures...
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Nah, if Acura actually made a good car that people wanted at a lower price point, I'm sure they'd sell quite a lot more of them. This is the entire story of how Lexus came to be.

I have all the stuff on my Golf and the wife has it on her Subaru, I absolutely love it for long drives. Makes it much less stressful. Also, at this point all features are basically equal. All of the safety tech is mature enough that they are all basically the same but if you want to talk about features not being equal lets talk about power window regulators, exploding cooling systems, and rampant rod bearing failures...

Are you talking about the safety features or features in General?

and what car has those problems?
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The safety features in this particular instance but there are lots of things that are free on cheaper cars that cost more on a BMW or MB for no real reason other than more = better. Headlights are a great example, you can get damn good LED headlights for free on a Subaru that cost $2000 on an Audi for an inferior product. Why? Who knows.

BMW's have had problems with window regulators, cooling systems, and rod bearings for years. I'm sure it has been fixed by now, mostly because many automakers just share the exact same part with a different sticker (and price) on them, but those things used to be a huge deal.
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I'm unsure of what's going on here, but off the top of my head, don't at least a couple of M models have rod bearing problems? As in, it's considered a routine maintenance thing at this point? Unless you want your viewing window in your engine block.

BMW and VW both use plastic where thermally, it might make sense. But not for longevity. Plastic water pump impellers, thermostat housings, coolant hose couplings, dipstick tubes, etc.

I tell a lot of people looking to buy a new/newer car to try and get the safety and convenience features when possible. Speaking pragmatically - outside of less accumulated wear and tear, why else you want a newer car?
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If you want to talk about Subarus, yes they're generally reliable. But again, practically speaking, Subaru boxers are flawed too - the pain of changing spark plugs, and head gasket issues spanning decades. The layout does not make it easier to deal with either. I hope my car never gets to that point, or I'm selling it before that.
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Originally Posted by SamDoe1 View Post
The safety features in this particular instance but there are lots of things that are free on cheaper cars that cost more on a BMW or MB for no real reason other than more = better. Headlights are a great example, you can get damn good LED headlights for free on a Subaru that cost $2000 on an Audi for an inferior product. Why? Who knows.

BMW's have had problems with window regulators, cooling systems, and rod bearings for years. I'm sure it has been fixed by now, mostly because many automakers just share the exact same part with a different sticker (and price) on them, but those things used to be a huge deal.
Every brand and every make all have their problems. so i am not sure what you are trying to say.

I cannot comment on safety features, since i dont use them.
But as far as features in general, i disagree. There is a significant difference in quality and features between the $$ ones and the free ones. At least with my experience.
Or there is another way to look at it, BMW/Audi can simply increase MSRP and give you more standard features. Which way do you prefer? I personally like to choose what i want in a car, instead of paying for shit that i dont need.
Now if you say they are too expensive compare to XXXX... yes i agree. But as long as the Market is willing to pay, being too expensive or not is all relative.

A 60" Element LED TV is 400 and a Samsung might cost $2000. Both are called TV with the same size and does the same thing....
Some people are perfectly happy with the $400 TV and question why would anyone pay $2,000 for a TV.

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https://www.motor1.com/news/301618/2...-pure-details/

With BMW introducing the warm 2020 M340i in both rear- and all-wheel-drive M Performance flavors, we are now slowly but surely turning our attention towards the cream of the crop – the M3. A new report published by U.K.’s Car Magazine tries to shed some light about the sports sedan scheduled to arrive as early as next year.

To please both worlds, BMW will allegedly offer the M3 in RWD and xDrive versions, with the former tentatively called “Pure.” The tail-happy variant is labeled as being the entry-level version of the M3 family and will come exclusively in RWD form with a six-speed manual gearbox and an electronically controlled differential lock. As far as power is concerned, the twin-turbo 3.0-liter straight-six engine is expected to get an M4 GTS-derived water injection system and push out 454 horsepower, which would be exactly the same as what you get in the limited-run M3 CS.

For those with more money to spend, there will reportedly be a high-end M3 with an xDrive system featuring a RWD mode in the same vein as the latest M5. It will eschew the manual gearbox for an eight-speed automatic transmission responsible with the task of sending 474 hp to both axles, so an additional 20 ponies than the so-called Pure version.

Interestingly, the report goes on to mention BMW will further separate the two versions by adopting different styling. The Pure variant will boast unique front and rear aprons, a bespoke alloy wheel design, and its own paint job. Inside, a special type of fabric + Alcantara upholstery will be reserved for this variant, along with the graphics of the instrument cluster dials and a different look for the cabin trim.

The M4 in coupe and soft-top cabrio iterations will also spawn these two versions, plus a hotter Competition coupe derivative due in 2021 with as much as 503 hp. Eventually, BMW is expected to come out with M3 CS and even an M3 CSL featuring more of everything, including extra power as the former will be taken to 530 hp and the latter to an impressive 550 hp.

There is some bad news to share as the latest intel via an undisclosed “source from the BMW M department” says there won’t be an M3 Touring after all. The silver lining is that an M4 Gran Coupe is in the works as a more practical take on the M3 also scheduled to come out in 2020.
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M4 Gran Coupe That is what i am talking about!!!

Except with the way they price their cars lately, it might be around $90k...
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