Audi: A4, S4, RS4 News
06-09-2005, 04:13 PM
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Number I'm hearing on the RS4 is $64,995 base........Nav and roof optional.
Between those options and destination, should bring one in at about $70k or slightly under.
Between those options and destination, should bring one in at about $70k or slightly under.
06-10-2005, 09:38 PM
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06-11-2005, 09:22 AM
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No DSG? I thought they would want to showcase it in this type of car.
06-11-2005, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Time For Sleeep
Isn't S4 vs. M3 a better comparison?
RS4 would be better compared to the next M3...
06-12-2005, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
RS4 > M3
06-12-2005, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Maybe the current M3. And that even is debatable. But I dont think the above will hold true for the next M3. BMW will make sure to continue its tradition of beating Audi and MB with their top sport coupe in that segment. And beat them only in certain ways that is, but the ways that count for car enthusiasts.
However, Audi has been vamping up on it's stride to surpass BMW as one of the top euro auto manufacturers.
I won't argue that BMW will put up a great battle to retain it's current status of premeire euro auto designer.
However, being an unbiased auto enthusiast (i'm not an owner of a BMW or Audi vehicle), I still belive that Audi is slowly inching their way to surpassing BMW in the rankings.
06-13-2005, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Maybe the current M3. And that even is debatable. But I dont think the above will hold true for the next M3. BMW will make sure to continue its tradition of beating Audi and MB with their top sport coupe in that segment. And beat them only in certain ways that is, but the ways that count for car enthusiasts.
06-13-2005, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
I won't argue that BMW has been top notch in developing the M3 into the beast that it is today.
However, Audi has been vamping up on it's stride to surpass BMW as one of the top euro auto manufacturers.
I won't argue that BMW will put up a great battle to retain it's current status of premeire euro auto designer.
However, being an unbiased auto enthusiast (i'm not an owner of a BMW or Audi vehicle), I still belive that Audi is slowly inching their way to surpassing BMW in the rankings.
However, Audi has been vamping up on it's stride to surpass BMW as one of the top euro auto manufacturers.
I won't argue that BMW will put up a great battle to retain it's current status of premeire euro auto designer.
However, being an unbiased auto enthusiast (i'm not an owner of a BMW or Audi vehicle), I still belive that Audi is slowly inching their way to surpassing BMW in the rankings.
06-13-2005, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximized
My enthusiasts viewpoint is that the M3 is getting worse with every generation. The E30 and E36 M3's were lightweight vehicles. My brothers E36 M3 might not be the fastest car, but it handles like it's on rails and communicates every inch of the road to the driver. Many BMW enthusiasts will tell you that it's the best handling M3. The next gen M3 will be heavier, which will hurt its handling. The V8 and added content will add another 150 lbs or so to the car, unless lightweight engineering is employed. I would have rather seen BMW build a 3200 lb M3 than one with a V8. It would have further showcased BMW's engineering abilities. Any car company can use hp to make a quick car.
BUT:
You are replying to my post where I was referring to a comparison of two cars. The RS4 and the M3, current and future. (And of course, guessing about the future M3).
The way you replied concerns the current M3 and a comparison to its predecessors. Which is a different debate.
About the, current-M3-compared-to-previous-M3s debate here is what I think:
No doubt, when we're talking about sport cars, weight is a huge factor. And no doubt with every generation M3, the car is getting heavier, albeit more powerful. Yet, performance-wise, it is beating the previous car, every time. So that's one item to remember.
Second item, is about the fact that M3 engineers have no choice other than to end up with a heavier M3, mainly because they have to base it on the current 3-series generation car (coupe or sedan, depending on the year). And as we all know, with every generation, pretty much all BMW cars are getting larger (other than safer, more richly equipped, etc.), hence heavier.
Combining items 1 and 2, you can see that BMW engineers have managed a feat here. Not that they are they only ones on that respect, but we are now comparing M3s with each other, on a generation basis, since that's what you replied about.
Item number 3 is a short one and it concerns the M3 CSL. It's not available here, but as you see, BMW engineers have proven that they KNOW, they do know, that the M3 is getting heavier and weight is "enemy number one" to them like it is to every engineer (guess what enemy number two is btw
) So they went to work and as difficult as it is for companies like BMW to authorize development of such super low limited production cars and considering the financial and parts-related limitations, they came up with the M3 CSL which sounds like it's a fantastic machine. At least from what the Euro press is saying.So what, you say? Well...
Item number 4 is about the expansion of BMW product at the..."low end". Of course I am referring to the 1 and 2 series cars coming up (excluding the 1er sedan which is already here). In other words, BMW, while knowing and admiting that the M3 IS TRULY GETTING "DANGEROULSY" HEAVY (whatever dangerously means), they also had to think of the fact that, the "void" created at the "light weight" super sport segment (whatever that is these days), can be partially or wholly filled by the new product lined up to reach markets soon.
So...bottom line, BMW says to the market: if you think the M3 is too heavy for your tastes, do not fret, the M1 and M2 (or whatever they will call them) are on the way and promise great fun. Less weight and oh btw, less money.
So there is nothing to worry about for those that do not like the M3's direction in my opinion.
06-13-2005, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gavriil
First, this new RS4 is not exactly a lightweight. So...
BUT:
You are replying to my post where I was referring to a comparison of two cars. The RS4 and the M3, current and future. (And of course, guessing about the future M3).
The way you replied concerns the current M3 and a comparison to its predecessors. Which is a different debate.
About the, current-M3-compared-to-previous-M3s debate here is what I think:
No doubt, when we're talking about sport cars, weight is a huge factor. And no doubt with every generation M3, the car is getting heavier, albeit more powerful. Yet, performance-wise, it is beating the previous car, every time. So that's one item to remember.
Second item, is about the fact that M3 engineers have no choice other than to end up with a heavier M3, mainly because they have to base it on the current 3-series generation car (coupe or sedan, depending on the year). And as we all know, with every generation, pretty much all BMW cars are getting larger (other than safer, more richly equipped, etc.), hence heavier.
Combining items 1 and 2, you can see that BMW engineers have managed a feat here. Not that they are they only ones on that respect, but we are now comparing M3s with each other, on a generation basis, since that's what you replied about.
Item number 3 is a short one and it concerns the M3 CSL. It's not available here, but as you see, BMW engineers have proven that they KNOW, they do know, that the M3 is getting heavier and weight is "enemy number one" to them like it is to every engineer (guess what enemy number two is btw ) So they went to work and as difficult as it is for companies like BMW to authorize development of such super low limited production cars and considering the financial and parts-related limitations, they came up with the M3 CSL which sounds like it's a fantastic machine. At least from what the Euro press is saying.
So what, you say? Well...
Item number 4 is about the expansion of BMW product at the..."low end". Of course I am referring to the 1 and 2 series cars coming up (excluding the 1er sedan which is already here). In other words, BMW, while knowing and admiting that the M3 IS TRULY GETTING "DANGEROULSY" HEAVY (whatever dangerously means), they also had to think of the fact that, the "void" created at the "light weight" super sport segment (whatever that is these days), can be partially or wholly filled by the new product lined up to reach markets soon.
So...bottom line, BMW says to the market: if you think the M3 is too heavy for your tastes, do not fret, the M1 and M2 (or whatever they will call them) are on the way and promise great fun. Less weight and oh btw, less money.
So there is nothing to worry about for those that do not like the M3's direction in my opinion.
BUT:
You are replying to my post where I was referring to a comparison of two cars. The RS4 and the M3, current and future. (And of course, guessing about the future M3).
The way you replied concerns the current M3 and a comparison to its predecessors. Which is a different debate.
About the, current-M3-compared-to-previous-M3s debate here is what I think:
No doubt, when we're talking about sport cars, weight is a huge factor. And no doubt with every generation M3, the car is getting heavier, albeit more powerful. Yet, performance-wise, it is beating the previous car, every time. So that's one item to remember.
Second item, is about the fact that M3 engineers have no choice other than to end up with a heavier M3, mainly because they have to base it on the current 3-series generation car (coupe or sedan, depending on the year). And as we all know, with every generation, pretty much all BMW cars are getting larger (other than safer, more richly equipped, etc.), hence heavier.
Combining items 1 and 2, you can see that BMW engineers have managed a feat here. Not that they are they only ones on that respect, but we are now comparing M3s with each other, on a generation basis, since that's what you replied about.
Item number 3 is a short one and it concerns the M3 CSL. It's not available here, but as you see, BMW engineers have proven that they KNOW, they do know, that the M3 is getting heavier and weight is "enemy number one" to them like it is to every engineer (guess what enemy number two is btw
) So they went to work and as difficult as it is for companies like BMW to authorize development of such super low limited production cars and considering the financial and parts-related limitations, they came up with the M3 CSL which sounds like it's a fantastic machine. At least from what the Euro press is saying.So what, you say? Well...
Item number 4 is about the expansion of BMW product at the..."low end". Of course I am referring to the 1 and 2 series cars coming up (excluding the 1er sedan which is already here). In other words, BMW, while knowing and admiting that the M3 IS TRULY GETTING "DANGEROULSY" HEAVY (whatever dangerously means), they also had to think of the fact that, the "void" created at the "light weight" super sport segment (whatever that is these days), can be partially or wholly filled by the new product lined up to reach markets soon.
So...bottom line, BMW says to the market: if you think the M3 is too heavy for your tastes, do not fret, the M1 and M2 (or whatever they will call them) are on the way and promise great fun. Less weight and oh btw, less money.
So there is nothing to worry about for those that do not like the M3's direction in my opinion.
I kind of went on a rant there, but BMW should use the leasons learned from the CSL and apply it to the next gen M3. Using economies of scale across the whole M3 line would help offset the price. Use more aluminum and Carbon Fiber on the M3. Heck, bring back a lightweight version to the US. The M3 will be expensive, so what's an extra couple of grand on top of the msrp. You also have to look at the upcoming competition. I know for a fact that M3 owners cross shop Vettes. My friend sold his modded E46 M3 for a Z06. The new Z06 and M3 should be quite close in price range.
BTW....the RS4 and S4 is a heavy pig.
06-17-2005, 11:52 AM
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Oohhh, I like that. I like the way the fixed the headlamps of the A4 out now. The front's much more agressive. That deep crease along the profile is nice. Hell, I the grill doesn't even bother me in this pic.
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06-17-2005, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
Isn't that car like 4 years off since the all new A4 just came out?
06-17-2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Isn't that car like 4 years off since the all new A4 just came out?
06-17-2005, 12:16 PM
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So the current car will be around for 3 years. (05, 06, 07)
Still a long way away from a next gen A4 which was my initial point. Alot can and will change.
Sharp looking rendering though.
Still a long way away from a next gen A4 which was my initial point. Alot can and will change.
Sharp looking rendering though.
