ttribe

It was an excellent car in 2004, but it still didn't sell that well. Clearly, there were issues back then, also. It's not clear that the brain trust at Acura ever figured out what those "issues" are, or were.

dom

I don't think that was the only issue. It lacked something. What, can and has been argued til the cow's come home. But it did sell well out of the gate. And it's still an excellent car today, but sometimes that isn't enough.

Moog-Type-S

What is disappointing is that Honda can compete at the high levels.
Why they are gun shy to do so is nothing short of mind numbing.

F-C

Like it! But yeah, the wheels have to go.

Sarlacc

The interior looks very nice. Other than that, don't care.

Having that fucker compete with my car powerwise...wont lie, kinda annoyed.

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Legend2TL

+1, 2G RL were selling ~1700/month at their peak in the beginning.

Besides prestige it was also smaller in size than the 1G RL, so it was only a little bigger than a 3G TL.

HAWAII-TSX

I like it. Its the perfect design and tech for a flagship. If the hybrid version out performs its competition. We have a winner. If not we have another Acura. Reliable above avg performance and value.

Haha.

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CLtotheTL32

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Yep, my Acuras have been very reliable, especially the cracking dashboard and transmission.

Ken1997TL

And I've never had a single real problem with any of my Hondas/Acuras with over 600,000 miles over the years.



Your mileage does vary. Overall these cars are quite solid.

24no7

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I was not talking about whether companies these days design nice looking cars or not, this is irrelevant because it is subjective, which means that it depends on who buys the car.
I was merely pointing out the fact that you think that designing a car is not complicated at all which it is for your information. There is more to it than you can possibly imagine.
Whether people like it or not, i wouldn't blame the design department or whoever is in charge of that department. (Not saying that you said this btw)

Exacly!

Moog-Type-S

Type34

anybody else concerned that both cars had those wheels?

I know they're concept, but still...

(horrid song)

CarbonGray Earl

Are you implying that Acura can't do it because its too hard? I'm confused with the message too.

In my 500,000 miles with the company, I think they of all companies they can do great things....even styling.

SlimTL

I think we have a really nice technological car coming. Makes me giddy about the NSX super car!

Great job Acura!

And thanks for conserving on that grill!!

ttribe

All the more reason to get it RIGHT before you unveil the design. Throwing crap against the wall and seeing what sticks in the auto business doesn't work very well.

Who shall we blame for a bad DESIGN other than the DESIGN Dept.? Building Maintenance Dept., perhaps?

SlimTL

At 1:15, the rear looks like a BMW Alpina B7.

SSFTSX

Design is as good as it is possible for 195inch car. Honda fuel economy and performance figures are usually understated.
Acura created really fast RDX from 273bhp engine with class leading ground clearance.
I think RLX should as fast as BMW 550i perhaps closer to M5.
Dual touch screen interior, LED head lights are new in this segment.

ttribe

I hope you're joking! This car will not touch an F10 M5.

F23A4

....I just so happened to see a new one of those yesterday on the Cross Bronx Expressway.

On topic, I love this new RL in every way MUCH more than the current model. On the face of it, I'm very impressed.

Now that we got that and the NSX out of the way, it's time for Acura to focus on the meat of their lineup: the MDX and TL!!! EDIT: As in, don't screw up the former and fix the screwup on the latter.

SSFTSX

Nope I am not joking. It is most realistic estimate of performance between 550i and M5. Infinit M35H is faster than 535 by quite a margin. much closer to 550I.
Acura vehicles are alot more aerodynamcially efficient with superior power delivery across the board. and this has SH-AWD system for lunch.
why do you think A8 AWD V8 is as fast or some cases faster than BMW 550I and A8 does not have turbo or hybrid torque.
As i said RDX reached 0-100mph in 16.5 sec without summer performane tires on MT road test. and this the fastest SUV possible from 273bhp and 8.1 inch ground clearance.
Not even the 500lbs lighter Kia Sportage can manage it from 270bhp.

ttribe

Don't move the goal posts; address the M5 comment.

CarbonGray Earl

In looking at more pics, the RL doesn't seem that bad. The ones with people in the pic give it a better sense of size and presence. By itself in the depthless press photos, it looks kinda bland. I certainly like this better than the present RL.

I'm interesting to what extent the AWD and electric motors help with launch or from a dig. I don't think the older asian ladies that buy this car will care, but it may be pretty capable with the traction of AWD and instant torque of electric power.

As always, its the execution that counts....

SSFTSX

I dont move the goal posts. Put 19 inch ALL season tires with decent rubber on M5 and see how much its 0-60 performance suffers.
As i said pure RWD car is no matched for SH-AWD/hybrid combo. and certainly not speeds above 100mph where aerodynamci efficiency plays big part.

F23A4

No reason to pay any attention to ludicrous statements.

ttribe

You're talking about keeping up with a car that does 0-60 in 3.7 and the quarter 11.9 at 120.3mph (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...3_bmw_m5_test/). Sans the limiter, the car can approach 200mph. Don't start this crap about "aerodynamic efficiency" when: 1) you have zero evidence to back that claim; and 2) the car won't have enough power to get to the speeds of the high performance sedans (M5, E63, RS6).

SSFTSX

Those figures are achieved with this super thin tires and super light weight rims. Put 265/50 All season setup its 0-60 times will fall down to more realistic 4.5 second.

265/35ZR20 99Y; 295/30ZR20 101Y Michelin Pilot Super Sport

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1r7nYJtSi


Here is more realistic M35H. Remember this car is 59.1 inch tall (2 inch taller than M5) and alot less aerodynamic with non DI engine and no SH-AWD lunch.

Crazy Bimmer

Simple and classy. I like it.

ttribe

No...you are so off base. Look, my E60 can do 4.1 and 12.7 with 19 inch wheels and 255s in the front and 285s in the rear. Furthermore, the E60 (sans the limiter) has also been clocked near 200 stock. No RLX will ever hit that. It's just not going to happen with that setup.

Those numbers aren't even close.

dom

Don't think I said that, but yes I'm sure it's not easy. But again, I don't see your point. You acting as if designing a nice car is an impossibiity that's never been accomplished before. Why have so many others both past and present been able to do it while Acura IMO has of late struggled. It's simple really. They have he wrong people doing the job. And as I've said twice now, it's subjective so there's no point in arguing.


I can agree that it may not nessesararly be all on them but a part (probably the majority) of it is. Plenty of blame to go around.

SSFTSX

Your E60 is super slow in real world tests. It is not just the width of tires but weight of rim and all season setup that create alot hinderance in performance lunches. E60 achieved 0-60 in 4.1 second with Pilot Sport 2. Dont you think if this setup is changed to all season with befeer rim. it is time will slip to well pass 5second. and this is certainly not a tall car in class of M35h. and this is with light weight 6M transmission.

255/40ZR19 96Y; 285/35ZR19 99Y, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1r7uJ4ZuU

Honda/Acura has speed limitors. Nothing preventing them for achieving 200mph.
Put simple Honda/Acura cars have higher ground clearance that make it suitable for rough road driving. infact Honda cars were judged the best in handling british pot holes.

F23A4

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Let's keep this thread on topic or the fun will end...abruptly!

ttribe

Sorry.

civicdrivr

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Editted.

Thank you for the new signature.

CLtotheTL32

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My TL can go 200mph?!!!?!?!?!?!?!

Sorry. I'm done.

Edward'TLS

Not even the 2800lbs, 290hp NSX-R supercar (in stock form) can reach 200mph, let alone any production Honda/Acura sedan in existence.

civicdrivr

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Shhhhhhhhhh! Dont use logic, you'll only make him angrier.

SSFTSX

weight alone dont define top speed. NSX was designed in 1980s that Honda continue to built for 15 years. It is pretty old design.infact with 5speed auto NSX was not faster than TSX V6 when both have all season tires with tall side walls.

Try look for Civic Typr R videos. It can reach 270km/hr. Honda is pretty conservative in putting figures.
This new RLX may well be 20 to 30% more aerodynamic efficient than M35H and car does not look that tall either. with superior DI engine, AWD lunch.
it will be fast beyond expectations.

neuronbob

C'mon guys....we offer an ignore button.