Hapa DC5

I'm disappointed to see that the South San Francisco Treat's avatar hasn't been changed yet

silver3.5

With $60K+, I just can't invision myself sitting in a RLX. Even with all its gadgets, IMO it's just doesn't have the look, road presence, sportiness or flare associated with a $60K+ car. I prefer this instead.....

phile

^ Hate that look. the new E-Class is far better looking.

vybzkartel

Your opinion, bro. But I call b.s.!

If that thing had an 'A' badge in place of that 3-pointed star, and an exclusive V6 spinning the front wheel, instead of what we know(power of the mind) about the drivetrain, would you have said that?

The previous gen. E looked much better than this ugly p.o.s.!

SSFTSX

http://www.caradvice.com.au/216913/h...ng-technology/
Honda developing new weight-saving joining technology

Honda says improvements in vehicle fuel economy, performance and handling dynamics will all benefit too as door panel weight will be reduced by approximately 17 per cent compared with conventional all-steel door panels.

The technology is to be initially used on North American versions of the all-new Acura RLX (pictured top) – badged as a Honda Legend in Australia – before Honda expands its application into other model lines

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

To be fair for $60k, you are getting the RLX with advance package. You will need a fully loaded $70k+ E class to barely match the features. There's still no LED headlights at that price....

IMO, the new E Class looks too boxy...the previous one looks way better.

alex2364

Uhh...has no one seen the new 2014 version? And a fully loaded E class has things the RLX doesn't offer. I just built a E350 with similar features as a RLX Advance and it came out to $66k.

smarty666

You know its bad when the new Lexus body style stand out more than Acura. That's nothing to be proud of for sure.

F23A4

Both the original and MMC version of the W212 are MUCH more appealing to the eyes than the RLX.

SSFTSX

MB E looks even more bland than Lexus. The interior is very old fashioned. Already resale values are collapsing. rear leg room is very less.

Edward'TLS

Just that Tri-Star emblem on the front end is worth more than any LED headlights.

AZP-TL

Cool story bro.

Costco

2,500 posts for SSFTSX

biker

And yet, the E sells at 4+ times the volume of GS and 10+ times the volume of RL.

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

2014 E-class sport interior end of discussion.

Click for hi-res photo.

pttl

Someone is out busily looking for Hi-Res photos of an RLX interior.

Hapa DC5

He'll just show a pic of a 10 year old Euro Accord and say how great it is and how inferior new German designs are.

Predictable is predictable.

MuGen7Modulo

This is best looking steering wheel for sedans ATM, hands down! !

Legend2TL

In all seriousness, the new E-class dash was state of the art a decade ago. It looks dated and cluttered with all it's switches today. If it was the RLX dash most folks on here would be blasting it. At least the RLX has two center displays which is easier to use than single displays.

No tough screen, heck even a Chrysler 300 has that. And the square analog clock didn't work on the Infiniti so why MB is still trying it is beyond me.



IMO
exterior design 2014 E-class > RLX
interior is design 2014 RLX > E-class

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

The 2014 looks less boxy in the front...but the side and rear...well, let's just say it's not my cup of tea....This is not to say the RLX has a better design. For me, I much prefer the styling of Jaguar XF.

I think it's going to be hard to compare directly between the E Class and RLX. The RLX isn't out yet and I'm not sure if all of its features are listed. With that said, here's how I price out the E350.

Base: $51.9k
Sport Pkg: $0k
Premium Pkg 2: $6.5k
Diamond White Metallic: $1.5k
Natural Beige/Black Leather: $1.6k
19" Wheels: $2.3k
Sunroof: $1.1k
Keyless Go: $0.6k
Driver Assistance Pkg: $3k
Parktronic: $1k
Rear Side Airbags: $0.4k
Total: $70k

Tri-zone climate control, LED headlights, heated rear seats, adaptive cruise control, forward collision warning, etc are notable things that can be found in the RLX but not in the E class. E Class obviously has features that the RLX doesn't have so I didn't add those features into the above price. If one wants to even things out then I guess those features should also be added (i.e. add rear infotainment system in the E Class to compensate for the lack of heated rear seats for). In that case, then we are looking at $75k for a fully loaded E350 without accessories.

obviously.....if the price is the same and the only difference is tri-star emblem vs LED headlights...lol.

charliemike

This is really a matter of taste, which makes choices a great thing.

SSFTSX

Selling more does not mean that it is better product. Highlander sells 15 times volume of LandCruiser.
E class is the most devalued car in its class. They are so many in used market that it seems people are abandoning them before leases finishes.
Prices are droping at avg rate of $10k a year. These are asking prices.
first year depreciation is almost $15k on $60k car.
Even the old RL with heavy fuel eficiency penalty will not collapse like that.


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/3619557824.html
2009 Mercedes Benz E350 Luxury Gray on Black E Class EZ Financing!LOOK - $19995 (hayward / castro valley)


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/3635615057.html
2010 MERCEDES E350 SEDAN PKG 1 REAR CAMERA,NAVI,WARRANTY - $33771 (WHITE/BLACK,IMMACULATE..!!)


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/3634013752.html
2011 Mercedes E350 Sport, ONE OWNER, NAVIGATION, HEATED SEATS!! - $38988 (financial district)

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/3643175151.html
2012 Mercedes E350 Sport, 9K MILES, NAVIGATION, HEATED SEATS, LUNAR BLUE!! - $46988 (financial district)

Sarlacc

Why are you comparing two vehicles made by the same manufacturer that clearly do NOT compete with each other...

Oh wait...thats right, because you're you...stupid.

phile

The E-Class's interior needs a series updating. They can put the most expensive wood, or put delicately polished aluminum, or cover the dash with the softest leather, but if the design is the same old blocky upright theme they've been running with for years, it's still a half assed job.

Sarlacc

Personally, I don't like Mercedes interiors. They dont flow.

That said, I dont like the RLX design either....bulbous.

biker

In the minds of the buying public, it kinda does. For the people who buy an E-class instead of an RL(X), the E is better for them for some reason. The badge, the looks, the features, the ride, something is better for them and they vote with their wallet. You might even have a few people who think "yea, I know the RL(X) is the better car but I'm buying the E because...." and that "because" sways them away from the RL(X). The paper numbers will only go so far in the minds of people when they decide what's better for them.

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

SSFTSX,

It's hard to have a used car market for the RL when you have no sales.

Mercedes E Class Sales
Nov 2012 8,126
Dec 2012 6,984
Jan 2013 5,469
Link: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

Acura RL Sales
Nov 2012 11
Dec 2012 18
Jan 2013 13
Link: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

At least the TL had a nice showing.

SSFTSX

I know the figures. used car market tell alot about a car. avg transaction prices of MDX/TL lower than E class but in used car market E class you can find cheaper than MDX/TL for comparable model and mileage.
MB E class sales are great but so are used car lots by even greater percentage.
so irrespective of sales number of RLX i am expecting that it will hold far better than E class. RLX has now fuel economic and greate interior space advantae over RL.

There are just too many E class in used market. and with change in head lights for 2014. expect the used values to further drop.

SSFTSX

there greater number of E class on dealer lots with all kind of colors and combinations and sales man are pushing with agressive deals. there is one or two RL usually per dealer and they are mostly dealer demo. If People know what is better for them so why there are so many E class on used car lots.

CLtotheTL32

iTrader: (3)

SSFTSX, how much is Acura paying you to justify their actions?

Legend2TL

To a degree it's styling with the design and layout, but when you cheapen out the interior with only one display that's not even touch screen then it's also less features and functionality.

pttl

Nah...he does it out of blind faith and loyalty.

Legend2TL

What happened to 5-series sales?
I thought they used to be ~4-5K/month.

Crazy Bimmer

Thought the RL stopped production few months back already? Those sale numbers could just be leftovers.

Not that it really matters...

biker

They usually are.

F23A4

MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'm thinking that some posts (and posters) need to be ignored just on principle.

VTEC Racer

RL production ended eight months ago. There are only 26 unsold RL's left on dealer lots in the entire U.S. So probably another couple months before they are all gone.

silver3.5

hahaha! not going to get into any pointless arguments with this guy as this quote truly defined his ignorance! along with just about every word written by him.

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

What's the fun in that.

He's the annoying fly buzzing around your head. Sure you could pull out the flyswatter and smash him to bits but then what would we all do with the rest of our day?