dom

Neither do I. Their stubborness on the matter is frustrating to say the least. Somewhere Tom Elliot just

MSZ

I heard Honda is going to launch the Acura brand worldwide with the next NSX, so they need a V10 halo car like that. But thats just a rumor.

Teh Jatt

where did u read that?

MSZ

ToV or NSX Prime. Too lazy to search it right now.

heyitsme

A v10 sounds pretty stupid and overall a poor use of the company's money without knowing everything Honda is working on. Think it would make sense to develop a V8 for the NSX if they wanted a larger engine so it could then be used throughout the whole line to the bottom end trucks, rather than a v10 that has very few applications.

TL CHROMETIDE

If they slapped a V-10 into last years NSX, I wouldn't mind buying it for $90k, but I wonder how fast it'll corner this time now that it will have a HUGE engine and a big increase in weight. I hope it performs just as well as the V-6 NSX, and Acura can keep it a $90k exotic.

swami

I imagine Honda will have lots of spare V10 blocks laying around, with F1 going to V8's. Lets not forget we're talking about a very limited build machine here. As far as weight goes, I don't think F1 cars are overweight by any means. I'm not suggesting that their putting an F1 engine in a street car, but they have the technology to build a very lightweight V10 for street use. Maybe I'm stupid, but I can see it.

gavriil

[QUOTE=MSZ]I heard Honda is going to launch the Acura brand worldwide with the next NSX, /QUOTE]

This, I hear for the first time.

gavriil

I dont doubt it at all. Acura needs to become global since Lexus has already started and Infiniti is very close to starting as well. Acura, always last to all parties, must follow.

srika

I read that somewhere too......

gavriil

LOL

For some reason I doubt the blocks for the V10s used for production and the ones used at F1 will be the same.

swami

No shit. Read my post.

swami

By the way...I wasn't trying to be a smartass. Just wanted to clarify my point.

gavriil

Excuse me?

I read your post. What did I miss sir?

gavriil

And what is that point of yours exactly?

swami

The point that I wasn't suggesting they were putting an F1 engine in the car. Just that they have the ability to build a lightweight V10 for a street going version. That was my point. I don't think you read what I said.

gavriil

I read your post, twice. Either I did not get it, twice, or your syntax was off, or similar. The above is not right either, syntax-wise.

"The point that I wasn't suggesting they were putting an F1 engine in the car. " This does not make sense, although I can guess what you mean.

Back to the point:

Certainly Honda has the ability to make a lightweight V10 and more. The question is, how much will it cose since it wont be able to be shared around the lineup.

swami

I'm a huge Motogp fan, and it's seems Honda likes to do the unexpected. In Motogp they could have easily gone the inline 4 route, or the V4 route as they'd done all these configurations at one time or another. They chose the V5 because they knew nobody else would. I'm pretty sure they like doing off the wall stuff as far as their cutting edge things...like the NSX for example.

TL CHROMETIDE

What are you talking about? Acura was the first japanese luxury car company here in the US and then came Infiniti and Lexus.

Crazy Bimmer

Yet look how far lexus and infinti have gotten compared to acura

observer

Does this next gen NSX have anything to do with the HSC?

ferrari527

guess they really dont like v8's first they stick with 6 then all of a sudden go to 10, kinda like a to c and skipping b

gavriil

Right. OK, since then, then

gavriil

Which happened because Acura has been THE follower during the past few years in their segment.

gavriil

I bet it does.

NSX-Tuner

youngTL

They seem to have their own segment. Lexus doesn't sell cars in the TSX price range at all. Neither does Infiniti. My mom wanted an ES330, but she's scratched that off her list because to option it up to TL levels of equipment is $52000CDN (the TL is $46000 CDN with the same equip).

Acura's a value leader, but they also need to bring in a new model or two and a few more engines to get ahead.

KavexTrax

The next M5 will use a V10 and so does the M6.

But one V10 for a single Honda halo car doesn't sound like a very financially practical decision. The gap between Acura's current lineup and the NSX will be totally miles (heaven-earth) apart?

Could this be because of the diluted branding of the Acura name into mainstream class luxury segment and an attempt to cast a NEW premium brand "stamp" on top of Acura??!??!

Now this would be a bit more believable, but still tremendously costly for such an upscale restructuring.

jwong77

Whoa, that would be crazy expensive. They would have to develop a new sales channel, new marketing, new brand strategy, and new models among other things.

gavriil

Being a follower and having your own segment are separate and irrelevant to each other. I wrote that Acura has been a follower for a long time now. And you seemed to disagree. But I dont see an argument that proves the opposite.

heyitsme

Think the main problem is they aren't building enough new product fast enough to not be a follower. 2nd would be their engine limitations, which kinda stems from not having a v8, which used to be about company philosophy reasons, try to stay green, etc. But now with this v10 talk, think it makes the company look like a bunch of asses for talking all the bs in the past and it shows they lack direction imo.

NSX-Tuner

From what I've been reading from various sources (Prime and else where), it seems as though Honda already has a working drive-train (V10 engine/tranny) that's been under development for the past two years. So it's not like they just woke up recently and decided to develop a V10.

teg_to_bike

v8 + IMA > v10

heyitsme

V6 + IMA, would have been amazing. There was a 4cyl TSX concept awhile ago with IMA making 3 0r 400hp if anyone remembers.

TL CHROMETIDE

Whats IMA?

MSZ

Integrated Motor Assist

gavriil

IMA is way too heavy for this application.

SeCsTaC

Wouldn't IMA run out of juice real quick on a sports car?

heyitsme

Maybe on a high speed run past 100mph, but an autox or the like course with hard braking around turns I think there could be a nice balance between sucking the battery power and regenerating it.

I dunno, looking at both the civic and accord hybrids, there is only a 140lb increase with the ima system. Think the main reason is there still has to be technology increases which will take another 5-10 years.

Ken1997TL

IMA wont happen, its too heavy a system and is NOT meant for a true performance car. It is simply an ASSIST for a passenger car, NOT a serious exotic such as the NSX.

Honda CEO Fukui is the man you should thank for the V8 and V10 that are coming along. He is a serious sports car enthusiast....

I quote him And since he was the president of Honda's R&D in North America.. I'm sure he's got a few ideas up his sleeves.