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Old 08-21-2003, 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
238 lbs torque...
Ya thats What I believe that one magazine said
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Which magazine?
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someone at TOV says it is the AMI Auto World Magazine.

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Originally posted by 2004TL

Yup, those are pictures of the TL concept. Did I miss something?


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I think those are never seen before concept shots. The exhaust on the concept looks so much better than the production car.

Not to mention those wheels look like 19" x 8" at least.
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
I think those are never seen before concept shots. The exhaust on the concept looks so much better than the production car.

Not to mention those wheels look like 19" x 8" at least.
I've seen them...2004TL is just loosing it
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
I think those are never seen before concept shots. The exhaust on the concept looks so much better than the production car.

Not to mention those wheels look like 19" x 8" at least.
The concept TL doesn't have to worry about the exhaust melting the :flamer: plastic bumper covers, so the clearance can be much less.

I think 19" wheels/tire would be too harsh for the typical 04TL buyer.

But yes, both do look better.

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I just posted the pics because I saw them at a Spy Site, and I had never seen them before..
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wow, that must take some pretty good spies to get into a public auto show
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Dude the pic is from AutoSpies, I just posted it before because I had never seen them so I assumed many others have not seen these pics, I never said they revealed anything new, I just wanted you guys to see the Concept from another angle, What is up with the attitude RJC?
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no attitude, it's all cool. I'm just sorta still teasing you about the HPD thing...
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HPD?
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Those don't look like 19" wheels to me. More like 17", maybe 18".
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Originally posted by 2004TL
HPD?
He's talking about this http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...&threadid=1809

That has to be the funniest post ever! That had me crackin up when I saw that shit!!!!!!!!! Man I almost fell out of my chair and shit!!!!!!! Goes to show how people can interpert pictures totally differently. Man if ever you have a weird question again don't hesitate to post it, that was so funny!

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Thanks, Nap -- I also wasn't sure, and that's what I thought.

"High Performance Dildo"

Funny that TL himself didn't remember!
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I mean they talked about HPDL But I had no clue what it was, no one explained it on the thread..
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time will tell, but I am skeptical of this claim
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not possible.... the acura brochures which are from Acura...are 1000000x more reliable than some salesperson at a dealership. 270 hp. Although this 238 lb/ft number is floating around, seems like a disappointment to me and it also seems to tell me that it is probably still a 3.2 L. It would be good if someone can verify/intelligently guess the torque figure. For now, i hope this rumor is false
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I wish it would be September already to put this guessing to bed.
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only a week...
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Originally posted by 2004TL
I mean they talked about HPDL But I had no clue what it was, no one explained it on the thread..
You know -- good cholesterol and bad cholesterol.
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Originally posted by vp12
not possible.... the acura brochures which are from Acura...are 1000000x more reliable than some salesperson at a dealership. 270 hp. Although this 238 lb/ft number is floating around, seems like a disappointment to me and it also seems to tell me that it is probably still a 3.2 L. It would be good if someone can verify/intelligently guess the torque figure. For now, i hope this rumor is false
not really ...twice in 2001 and 2003 the brochure said the cl had an optional under body spoiler...ofcourse we know that was incorrect
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oh well then maybe, but i still think that hp is something people making brochures would probably not get wrong.
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I think the 270hp number is absolutely, positively set in stone. It's printed in the brochures and Justin confirmed it when he went to Torrance. There is NO WAY Acura would allow hp numbers to be advertised incorrectly considering how many people base their car purchase on this (IMO, relatively meaningless) number.

Now, whether or not the car's actual performance matches the printed specs of 270/238 -- we'll have to wait and see. If the pending RL comes with a 300hp 3.5L making 250-260 lb-ft., it is only logical for Acura to want to keep some distance between it and the TL. Therefore, even if the engine is a bit more powerful than the specs say, Acura wouldn't want to risk criticism that the RL and TL were too close, so they may underrate the engine. With the current numbers, we have the TSX at 200/166, the Accord V6 at 240/212, the TL at 270/238, and the RL at 300/260(?), giving a nice cushion between each model (to be honest, I'd be thrilled if the 238 lb-ft. number turns out to be too low -- even the FWD ES330 will have more torque!).

Acura will probably give the performance mags the 6speed HPT to review, so the extra few lb-ft. coupled with a lighter body, 6MT, LSD (fingers crossed!), wider high-performance tires, and a longer wheelbase should combine to shave at least a few tenths of a sec. off the 0-60 time while improving handling and minimizing torque steer.

We only have a week left to speculate, so I suggest we throw out every wild notion we've got, and see what turns out to be right next Monday...

I think:
1.) Acura will figure out a way to increase the wheelbase while reducing the gargantuan 40 ft. turning circle seen in the Type-S
2.) 0-60 for the 6MT will be about 5.9s
3.) the 6MT (w/ brembos + LSD) will be priced higher than the auto
4.) there will be no one-touch open/close on moonroof
5.) the doors will auto-lock above a certain speed (mentioned on the other site some time back)
6.) there will be hood/trunk struts
7.) overall length of 190 inches with wheelbase of approx. 110 inches
8.) the nav will be virtually the same as the TSX's w/ tire-pressure monitor
9.) 8-way power passenger seat
10.) the cupholders will be covered, so the e-brake will lose some of the "mountain beside a cliff" look seen in the spy pics

Of course, I'm pulling these predictions out of my . It's just fun to speculate...
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Originally posted by princed
I think the 270hp number is absolutely, positively set in stone. It's printed in the brochures and Justin confirmed it when he went to Torrance. There is NO WAY Acura would allow hp numbers to be advertised incorrectly considering how many people base their car purchase on this (IMO, relatively meaningless) number.

Now, whether or not the car's actual performance matches the printed specs of 270/238 -- we'll have to wait and see. If the pending RL comes with a 300hp 3.5L making 250-260 lb-ft., it is only logical for Acura to want to keep some distance between it and the TL. Therefore, even if the engine is a bit more powerful than the specs say, Acura wouldn't want to risk criticism that the RL and TL were too close, so they may underrate the engine. With the current numbers, we have the TSX at 200/166, the Accord V6 at 240/212, the TL at 270/238, and the RL at 300/260(?), giving a nice cushion between each model (to be honest, I'd be thrilled if the 238 lb-ft. number turns out to be too low -- even the FWD ES330 will have more torque!).

Acura will probably give the performance mags the 6speed HPT to review, so the extra few lb-ft. coupled with a lighter body, 6MT, LSD (fingers crossed!), wider high-performance tires, and a longer wheelbase should combine to shave at least a few tenths of a sec. off the 0-60 time while improving handling and minimizing torque steer.

We only have a week left to speculate, so I suggest we throw out every wild notion we've got, and see what turns out to be right next Monday...

I think:
1.) Acura will figure out a way to increase the wheelbase while reducing the gargantuan 40 ft. turning circle seen in the Type-S
2.) 0-60 for the 6MT will be about 5.9s
3.) the 6MT (w/ brembos + LSD) will be priced higher than the auto
4.) there will be no one-touch open/close on moonroof
5.) the doors will auto-lock above a certain speed (mentioned on the other site some time back)
6.) there will be hood/trunk struts
7.) overall length of 190 inches with wheelbase of approx. 110 inches
8.) the nav will be virtually the same as the TSX's w/ tire-pressure monitor
9.) 8-way power passenger seat
10.) the cupholders will be covered, so the e-brake will lose some of the "mountain beside a cliff" look seen in the spy pics

Of course, I'm pulling these predictions out of my . It's just fun to speculate...
I hope you are right on most of these. Personally, I do not want the auto-locking doors.

I also think the 6MT will be more expensive than the auto.

I will be shocked if Acura STILL does not have a one-touch roof. There should be a tire pressure monitoring system.

I'd like to see auto day/night side-views in addition to the rear-view.
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if the car comes with auto locking doors, you can have them disabled
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Originally posted by RJC RSX
if the car comes with auto locking doors, you can have them disabled
I hope you are right. Hopefully the TL comes with an advanced on-board computer that will allow many of the car's functions like some other cars. eg; Nissan Maxima
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
I hope you are right. Hopefully the TL comes with an advanced on-board computer that will allow many of the car's functions like some other cars. eg; Nissan Maxima
I don't know about that, but usually the dealer can change the speed at which the doors lock or disable them all together.
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Perhaps, I still hope for a really advanced computer with controls for various car functions, tire pressure, service intervals, oil and transmission fluid temperatures, low wiper fluid, etc...
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Originally posted by EmuMessenger
Perhaps, I still hope for a really advanced computer with controls for various car functions, tire pressure, service intervals, oil and transmission fluid temperatures, low wiper fluid, etc...
Boy, you sure want alot of high end stuff on a mid-size car and price.

Acura needs to keep that MSRP around 33-35K, or forgetabout it if price is higer. Buyers will then go to the BMW's, E-Class, etc.
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Boy, you sure want alot of high end stuff on a mid-size car and price.

Acura needs to keep that MSRP around 33-35K, or forgetabout it if price is higer. Buyers will then go to the BMW's, E-Class, etc.
I don't think he is asking too much. In fact, the Nissan Maxima can be configured in such a way that it has several features the TL does not for a similar price: bi-xenon projectors, power folding mirrors, one-touch up/down on all windows, rear heated and reclining bucket seats, power tilt/telescoping steering column, power rear sunshade, a similar hp rating (265) w/ greater displacement and torque, and 18-inch wheels. It also has the advanced trip computer he wants on both nav and non-nav equipped vehicles and matches the TL's 6MT + LSD. Unfortunately, it also offers poor interior quality and torque steer, which keeps it from being truly oustanding. If Acura could have matched the feature set of the Maxima with the interior quality and workmanship it is known for, all for a price within a couple thousand of the Maxima, this car would have been a new benchmark in its class, even with the FWD...
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Originally posted by princed
I don't think he is asking too much. In fact, the Nissan Maxima can be configured in such a way that it has several features the TL does not for a similar price: bi-xenon projectors, power folding mirrors, one-touch up/down on all windows, rear heated and reclining bucket seats, power tilt/telescoping steering column, power rear sunshade, a similar hp rating (265) w/ greater displacement and torque, and 18-inch wheels. It also has the advanced trip computer he wants on both nav and non-nav equipped vehicles and matches the TL's 6MT + LSD. Unfortunately, it also offers poor interior quality and torque steer, which keeps it from being truly oustanding. If Acura could have matched the feature set of the Maxima with the interior quality and workmanship it is known for, all for a price within a couple thousand of the Maxima, this car would have been a new benchmark in its class, even with the FWD...
Thank you, the Maxima is the exact car I was going to reference in my reply.

I am not asking for anything that is unreasonable.

Even the ventilated seats I want can be had in the Saab 9-5. Even if they were an outrageously priced option ($1,000) I'd get 'em.

The new interior is really very nice, but the whole trip computer thing should be a given, yet I sit and wonder if Honda will step up to the plate.

My '97 Cherokee 4x4 has a trip computer and my wife's '03 Accord EX-V6-Navi has one (weak, but there) and my 99 TL-Navi and my 03 TLS-Navi are both trip computer free.

If done right, I would hope for all of the basic things eg; Avg MPG, instant MPG, average speed, DTE... Plus tire pressure monitor, service intervals, oil pressure, along with the ability to control some of the car's features like auto door locking, horn with keyless entry, delay time for courtesy lighting and maybe others. Regardless, they are out there and can go in the TL. The Altima even offers a trip computer.
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hey wait for the "RL" it may have all the stuff everyone keeps crying about. and remember we officially don't know anything about anything. Just cuzz someone say it has or doesnt have somethind doesnt make true!
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Originally posted by princed
Unfortunately, it also offers poor interior quality and torque steer, which keeps it from being truly oustanding.

and those aren't huge problems


Anyways I haven't bothered reading the entire thread but the TL is going to be 270 bhp. Doubters feel free to check out the 04 RSX broshures. (I'm sure thats already been said)
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Unfortunately, the TL can't be all things to all people. The TL will differentiate itself on certain unique features just as the Maxima, Saab and just about every other car in this segment does. Actually, not even in just this segment. There will never be a conclusion to this discussion because some automakers are constantly innovating.

If the TL's feature set, or lackthereof, is an issue for some buyers, I'm sure cars like the Saab 9-5 and Nissan Maxima will make them very happy, even if sacrifices are made in other areas like quality, service and reliability.

The TL is probably as not as much of a niche player as some would like. It doesn't offer RWD, reclining and ventilated seats, and power folding mirrors. That should by no means make the TL a failure, or a car to be overlooked.

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Just ran across this item while I was searching the web for info on DVD car audio...

"Acura is leading the charge for DVD-A in-car systems. The 2004 Acura TL offers a DVD-A system that will also play normal CDs. In addition, the Acura system allows for more flexible control of the sound by offering more separate level controls than most other systems currently on the market. Although Acura is the first to offer this in-car technology, we wouldn't be surprised to see it in other vehicles in the near future."

So it appears that the TL audio system will have some level control features in addition to the DVD audio capability.
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Level Control Features? Sort of like Equalizer?
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Originally posted by 2004TL
Level Control Features? Sort of like Equalizer?
Could be... it was reported elsewhere that it was an 225 watt 8 speaker system. I figure center channel, subwoofer, and 6 others (1 in each door, and 2 more in the dash or back ???). Normally balance and fader controls would handle the normal level controls. so an equalizer is a good guess. One more week and we should know!
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8 Speakers: 2 tweeters on dash, center channel, subwoofer, and 2 front speakers and 2 rear speakers.

An equalizer is a good guess, I would also suspect settings like "hall" and "live".


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