Here's my plan for the system:

Deck: stock and piooner 7300 or 7500 DVD
Amp: JL 1000/1, 300/4
Speakers:
- Front: MB Quartz 6.5 PCE 216
- Rear: MB Quartz DSD 216 (woofer only)
- Rear Deck: MB Quartz 6x9 premium or reference series
- Subs: two 12" JL w6v2
- Center: mix of Boston pro 5.5 woofer and mb quartz dsd tweeter with crossover (extra stuff i have)
Wires: monster cable
Capacitor: monster cable

a soundgate will be connected to the stock to use Ipod mini.
then a shonda3 thing to provide output to the receiver(brain pioneer 9000r) of the piooner.
The front mb quartz and rear deck lid will be powered by the 300/4.
The subs will be powered by the 1000/1.

The rear door can either be powered by:
- another 300/4 as a midwoofer or be powered by the stock 6x9 lines and bridge the other 2 channel for the center speakers
- or be powered by the stock rear door speaker for ambiance and get a 2 channel amp by JL or some other brand.

What do you guys think i should change to make it sound better? I'm into sound quality with flexibility. I want to be able to make the car sound like a concert while at the same time .. be able to have theatre like sound, and get front stage sq.

Money is not an issue. I'll save up evry penny and live off of ramen if i have to!

High goals huh??

 

Where do you plan to mount the Pioneer deck?
I ended up getting my N1 installed in the storage bin area like I talked in an older thread about. I took a risk cuz I wasn't sure if I would like it. But I ended up liking it a lot!!
It's tight. I will try to post a pic.

Do you have have your own server to post a pic?
Or can just paste a pic into your thread?

Also, are you from Sac? I use to live in Sac, but I live in Stockton now.

 

I would not use the 6x9s, and I would use the 300/4 2 channels for the front doors and tweets and 2 channels on the rear(so you can turn them down low enough to get a good front stage)....

 

1) How do you plan to hook up your Ipod mini?

2) Are you planning on running the factory deck and then hooking up to the AUX via the SNHONDA3?

I have my N1 hooked up right now via the AUX and SNHONDA3 and it sounds really good. The pioneer deck outputs a lot of power and the best thing is their is a feature called "SLA" (Sounds level Adjustment) That basically lets you turn up the overall volume on each source independently.

 

Im planning to install N1 system, but have no ideas where to put it. Can you please post up your pic? Go to www.photobucket.com and store your pic there.

 

If you are using subs then the 6 x 9's become pretty much a moot point just like musicbox said. Get rid of them - it should allow you to vent more bass in the cabin anyway.

You can also broaden your search for speakers beyond MB Quart, there are other solid companies out there such as:

Rainbow
CDT Audio
Focal
Morel
DLS
Adire
Seas

 

the pioneer deck will go to that storage place .. god imma hate it. reminds me of my integra with the dvd screen in the stock radio location. i dont really like the N1 becuase it doesnt have 5.1 surround and it's a 6inch screen. I'd rather have the bigger screen and the 5.1 surround over the navi function of it. plus .. i can always add navi to teh 5.1!

Ipod mini will go thorugh the ice link .. ice link conect to stock deck
snhonda3 will provide output for the brain ...

Focalmatic:
MB Quartz are good, only thing i dont like about them is the tweeter in the dash .. that's gonna hurt the ear. But the titanium tweeters are crystal clear. I was lookin into the JL component set becuase they have aluminum tweeter and i think those are a bit easier on the ear. all the company you've listed i have no discount to. I wish i had connection to Morel, Rainbow, and Focal. Their componet are very nice. and also .. i like to stick to a theme. JL amp and subs, mb quatz speakers.

 

Reason i chose to use the 6x9 becuase this give me the option to bring more mid base up front via rear door. and the 6x9 can also be turned down too.

 

the mb tweets in the dash are actually not too bright as you adjust the crossovers properly.

 

Well are you sitting in a lawn chair behind the car? hehe... 6x9s even crossed over for midbass are not the greatest mid bass driver...plus you need midbass in the front to have a good image, not in the rear deck, not in the rear doors..

 

Yeah trust me. Having full range 6X9s totally throws off the soundstage. When i had my system like that i had to have my fader on like +5 and my gains set way higher for my front speakers than the rears just to make it seem like i wasn't only listening to my 6X9s. They bounce off that rear glass and it throw everything off. I'm much happier now that i'm only rocking the front doors/dash and rear doors with some subs. I am going to trade back my Alpine 6X9s when i buy some MB Quarts 6.5s for the rear doors. I could probably leave my system the way it is but i just hate knowing that there are any stock speakers left in my system. Obessive compulsive, maybe.

 

What you're describing sounds like a brand-name, F/R/Sub basic system as would be installed at a Good Guys or somebody like that. All competent gear, all in factory locations, all pretty-much turnkey out of the box. It is oriented towards brand names, but it's really NOT oriented towards front imaging SQ, sorry...

I will mention that every person I've seen on this board who's installed a Class D sub amp (like the JL1000) in the trunk has had serious FM radio reception problems after. The amp near the rear window that boosts the rear-window-antenna signal seems to be interfered with by many Class D amps... FYI. I don't think that any of them were JL amps, but it's worth looking into.


If you're really into what you're saying you're into...

"I'm into sound quality with flexibility. I want to be able to make the car sound like a concert while at the same time .. be able to have theatre like sound, and get front stage sq."

Ok, that changes the number of HU you get to use, and Pioneer really isn't on the list.

There are two Alpine F#1 7990 heads on eBay right now... go buy one.

If you are REALLY about front image, you don't get any rear speakers.

What you do get to do is decide if you're building floor-mounted enclosures. If you don't want to, that's Ok... but you have to decide. Really good front images don't happen in the doors.

If you do go with front KP enclosures, you need a really good-sounding flexible EQ to get the benefits. The system below uses 4" mids in KPs but puts 6" in the doors.

Here's a system designed with exactly the same brands you picked (except Pioneer). I think you could make better choices for ultimate SQ< but I can work with those brands:


Put the MBQ QSD 4" /Tweeter kit in kick panel locations angled up. NO dash tweet location.

Use the QSD 164 Add-on Midbass kit in the doors. (MBQ used to make an 8" Midbass... drat).

Use one 300/2 for each of your JL 12" - that's 300 watts per 12". Then you can still listen to FM Radio. If you don't care use the 1000, but I think it might be overkill.

Use a 450/4 for the fronts. The front half runs the tweet/4" in the KPs and the back half rund the 6" in the door.

So you go tweet/4/6/12.

You need a good EQ. tuan?

 

Eld .. good info about the FM interuption. I'll have to check into that. I'd do all of what you said. But i must have forgot to say that i need it to be stealth and the best way for that is stock location. Got my car stolen before, so if i keep it at the stock location, it will not make my car seem feasible to steal.

Jigga and musicbox .. i'll have to try that.

 

Well at least install 6" mids only in the rear doors -no tweets, and band-pass them so they don't play much midrange either, just midbass.

Lose the by-nines.

Consider upgrading the amounts of power to the F door... I think my 300/4 couldn't keep up. Consider a 450/4, with the big channels for the F and the small channels for the R.

And consider going with the tweets in the kicks aimed up and painted to match so they look stock ... better image can be attained that way.

You still need a clean, flexible EQ, and I don't mean something inside a HU...

I like how you're tying in the factory HU, by the way.

 

Yeah, it's a little low there, but overall it is very good. The Pioneer LCDs are so good that you can see them well from just about every angle. They are not like other cheap car LCDs, I've seen. The good thing about it being there is that a cop will not be able to see it if you are letting your passengers watch video on it. You are not allowed to have video that is view of the driver. Plus if the mount location starts bugging you too much, then you can always get a screen installed in your sun visor. I got a quote of $250 for a 7" screen total installed. I was worried that since the pioneer decks have composite video outputs, that the navigation maps and words would not be readable, but they are very clear even through the composite video outputs. I hooked an extra 6" LCD too it for testing.

The N1 does have a 6.5" screen, but that's only 1/2" smaller. You still may want to consider the N1 because you can get the 9000R and hook it up to get your 5.1. If you would rather go with teh 7500, then you can do that too. I heard overall that deck has better sound quality. Buying the 7500 plus navigation cost you more then just buying the n1 though. I got my N1 for $1440 shipped and everything is integrated very nicely in the N1. I bet the 7500 is just as nice though. I did have to add a Tv tuner for $240, and I know the 7500 has one built in so figure that into the cost difference also. Check to see if adding the Navi to the 7500 will allow you still see the directions on screen while you are using the AV source. One nice feature of the integrated Navi in the N1 is the turning arrows and distance show up in the bottom right corner of the screen. I would imagine it would be the same in the 7500 with external Navi hooked up, but I'm not sure.

You mention that "snhonda3 will provide output for the brain ..."
The SnHonda3 is an audio input to the factory deck, it is not an output. Are you still going to run your factory deck as the main source, or are you going to hook up the output of the factory deck into the AUX input of the Pioneer deck?

 

One more thing!

Those you want to put the N1 in the storage bin. Get the Acura mp3 factory attactment kit.
This is easy to install yourself, it will save you money, and it's helps to secure the deck into the dash.

I went the other route and had the installer cut the factory storage bin. It looks nice and a tiny bit more dressed up, but I think the mp3 kit would be more secure. It would be harder for someone to try to steal it because it has more bolts holding the deck in place.

Here's the part number. I haven't put this in myself, but after a lot of research, including looking at the installation diagrams for it, I think it will work well.

P/N 08B06-SEC-210

 

what do you think of keeping the 6x9 being powered by the stock amp or being powered by the 300/4 for mid bass purpose? and get the 450/4 to power the front door and rear .. i can use the 300/4 to power the 6x9 and center speaker.

yea i was lookin at the 450/4 too. what eq do you recomend bc i have to admit .. the pioneer eq kinda sucks .. not up to par for the dsp it comes with.

Hey TSX536 ... how do you like your JL set? And model are they? I do like the background option on the N1 though. hmm i just checked the pioneer site and it doesnt say anything about N1 being able to use the 9000R brain. and is tha tthe part number for the bracket for the stock mp3 player or is the for both?

 

Let's see, you want 1000 watts on your subs and 300 watts on your mids... what do you THINK I think of it : )

I don't think you want to try to run the stock amp off an aftermarket HU anyway.

Step away from the oval speakers.

If you didn't have the rear door locations I'd say put a set of 5.25 mids in there... but you do, so leave it.

EQ's... These are good:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

Or I'll sell you a used-but-great-condition Alpine 7-band parametric (model 3402: )

 

repeat after me, oval speakers, BAD, round speakers, GOOD.


oval speakers.

 

eldurino don't you have oval speakers aka 6X9s in your tsx?

 

Yes, I do.

And I was operating under severe limits in building that system, as I've mentioned.

If it were my car it would have a sub glassed into the trunk... but it's my wife's car, and part of the deal was nothing visible, no loss of space, no loss of spare.

I think that I'll eventually glass a 12 into one corner. I'll probably tell her it's a 10.

But anyone designing a system without those limitations should avoid them... and a system of that magnitude, especially.

 

lol similar to what i want.

 

man, all this talk of no 6x9s is gettin me to thinking. i might just have to unhook em to see what the rave is all about. though i cant imagine it would sound so much better with aftermarket tweets and stock everything else, but the ideas of taking them out completley and havin those ports there sounds pretty good to me...

 

I have older JL stuff from my old car. I do like it still, but I want to get a new subwoofer. The JL 12" W6v2 is exactly what I would get You could also get the W7, and only run one sub. I've seen one in a nice sealed box that didn't take up that much trunk space. The W7 is expensive though. (Lots of nights of Top Ramen or Hot dogs from the Costco Food stand) There are a lot of knowledgable guys here, so ask them what else is good. I really only know JL, but there is a lot of good subs out there.

As for the tweets. Those are like 3 years old, but they still sound good. Almost too good. Without an EQ, then highs up front are really powerful. Like you mentioned up top, it hurts my ears. My treble is at 0. I use to have it all +2 all the time before I had them. They do make the voices a lot louder though, especially when you have the windows down.

The Multi channel processor for the N1 is the Pioneer DEQ-P8000. This will do the 5.1 sound that you want. I'm not sure how's it's different than the 9000R, but it looks like it comes with a seperate speaker for the Navi voice.

That part number I gave is for the mp3 attachment kit only. The cost is $75-$95 depending on where you get it. On ebay there is a seller who sells the mp3 player. Email him and ask him for the price of just the attachment kit. He'll sell it seperately. He told me like $78 total shipped.

 

reps for pretty much for everyone.

Umm i know the N1 isnt 5.1. and if you are talking about the pioneer avm-p8000r .. that's not 5.1 either. only the avm-p9000r is 5.1. and the 9000r comes with navi voice also.

 

i stand corrected .. if N1 comes with the Pioneer DEQ-P8000 ... then ok .. i might be going with the N1.

Wonder if the DEQ-p8000 will have the same DSP features as the avm-p9000r.

 

I was just reading in the Pioneer Mobile Forum in Yahoo groups. People there are saying that the mp3 functions are a little better on the Pioneer 7500. If you can afford to get the 7500 and seperate navigation then you should consider going that route. Another major advantage of that setup is that you can use your Navi all the time without having to worry about the Navi disc being in there. The navigation still works without the disc but it is Memory mode and not everything is available. For me it's not a big deal, because I have radio, tv, and my portable video player, plus I can still run the factory 6 disc changer.

Check out this group:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...obileUniverse/

They do a lot of comparision between Pioneer Navigation systems and decks. Have fun reading man!