Reach

Hello, I need help from someone with some expertise on this, someone who has modded a TSX with one of these especially. (CJams, you here?)

I installed my Dom's unit last night. Imagine my surprise when I powered up the car and everything worked! (almost, hehe).

As-is with my install, my navi works like nothing was changed... its as if the Dom's box isn't there at all! I get maps, directions, all that, with the switch in the off position. So, I setup a camera with a video-out source on it to test the box, and flipped the switch and... nothing. It stays on factory navi.

The only symptoms I've noticed is that with the switch in the 'ON' position, none of my facotry voice-enabled devices work. No navi commands, radio commands, and Handsfreelink can't hear me.

I imagine I've attached it to the wrong wires (duh) so if I can get any help, that would be awesome. I heard that the wires are different colors between 04/05, and guesss what? They look different for the 06s as well.

The thread I was referencing for the install (especially page2 and onward, pics on page 2): https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...=306304&page=2
I'm well aware that the original pictures are 'backwards' and I attached my wires the correct way like CJams said to... I'm just worried they're on the wrong wires.

Here are the wires I cut to attach:



Here are the directions:



What would be really helpful would be a pinout diagram of that connector denoting which wires to cut, and DB9 cable wires to harness wires by color.
(ie: DB9 green to Pin2 navi side, DB9 yellow to Pin2 dvd side)

I doubt anyone has this, but if someone can tell me I cut the wrong wires and which ones I should have used, or any info, I'd really appreciate this.

A better description would also be good, like "With the clip facing toward you, cut the 4 wires on the top-right side and attach to these".

One way or another, I'm going to take another hack at it tonight.

fuckleberry

I think you cut the wrong wires.
This page on that connector is from the 04 TSX Electrical Manual:
#4, 5, 13, 14 are ones to cut



Hope someone who did this on 2006 comes along to confirm which wires he cut
or someone with 2006 Electrical Manual can tell you the equivalent of those 4 wires

fuckleberry

wait which 4 ? Pink, Blue, Green, White ?

Reach

AWESOME man.

So I cut wires 10, 11, 12, 13. Which is completely wrong.

You have 5 wires highlighted above, 1, 4, 5, 13, 14. Don't you only use 4 of them?

THANKS A MILLION. I'll be here to keep this discussion up for a minute if you can help me out.

Reach

And yes, as you can see in the picture above, my wire colors match neither the colors for the 04 or 05, so I need to know exactly which pins to hit.

Reach

Actually i guess I cut 6, 7, 8, 9. Whoops again.

Reach

OK, Now I believe the correct wires to cut are 4, 5, 13, 14.

I'm not sure why you've got #1 circled in the above diagram though.

fuckleberry

don't worry what I highlighted - just read what I posted - FOUR wires = 4, 5, 13, 14

fuckleberry

Just telling meself : "HEY ! TAHT WIRE IS WHITE ALSO !!!"

Reach

No problems. Appreciate the help man, this will help me and likely many others.

Reach

OK, I really thought I had it, but my wiring harness doesn't look like the one above.

I did this earlier this week but didn't have a video source to test until just now. Here are two images from the PS2 I put in (w/ Katamari Damacy 2):

RGBS mode:


RGSB mode:



I looked back at the connector and realized it has 24 pins, not 21. (The top row is all filled in, there is not a space missing in the middle like on the diagrams and 04/05 harnesses I have seen.

I have connected my wires as below:
Purple -> White (dvd)
Orange -> Red (dvd)
Yellow -> Green (dvd)
Brown -> Yellow (dvd)

Red -> Red (navi)
Blue -> White (navi)
Green -> Green (navi)
Gray -> Yellow (navi)

Which translates to this picture from the 2004/5 manual as wires 4, 5, 13, 14 (I believe):




Here is my actual wiring, I don't know if you'll be able to tell anything from it or not, but they are all soldered together inside the tape flags, so its not a connection problem, its a wrong-wire problem.




ANY help or guesses as to my problem would be appreciated. I don't mind cutting and re-attaching wires to try to get it right.

A scan of the 2006 electrical diagram would be super, but I don't even know if that has been released.

<pulling my hair out>

audi_to_TL

iTrader: (2)

That sucks....Why didn;t u just spend the 100 on a P+P unit....u know its not too late to do that.

fuckleberry

umm something wrong with this pics ?


What the hell is this ? don't you have Red, White, Yellow, Brown wires ?

Reach

In the wiring diagram you provided, for that 4th wire it says:

04 female - brown
05 female - green

Since I had a green wire there, I went with that one. I guess I'll go back and look for brown.
You can clearly see the yellow and green wires next to each other in this picture:


And yes, that blue washed out picture is... well... blue and washed out. Should be bright and vibrant, with greens and reds and a black background.

Reach

Believe it or not I enjoy doing this , and saving $100.

(assuming it works eventually...)

Spoon

I wouldn't be concerned with the wire colors, only on the pinouts. It's hard to tell from the pic if it's wired correctly. However, if the colors on the Nav screen aren't outta wack, then I'd imagine it is wired correctly. I'd check the PS2 to converter connection.

Reach

I've tested video with multiple known-good sources.

My issue appears to be totally with video sync. Unfortunatly I don't know enough in this area to do any real good without the electrical manual for the TSX, which I don't have.

If anyone has a TSX electrical manual, PLEASE PM ME. Thank you.

Spoon

I was going to PM you, but have you seen this thread, maybe it's a bunk unit.

https://acurazine.com/forums/audio-video-electronics-navigation-22/06-tsx-doms-navi-box-problems-dom-answer-if-you-can-334800/

Jonesi

Possible..


What concerns me is the pinouts aren't the same as previous year TSX. The wire colors aren't the same..

I'd put everything down and find out from someone with a Helms manual to make sure you are tapping into the correct wires..

Spoon

Wire colors change year to year, but I seriously doubt the pinout has changed. He may have extra wires in the harness, but the 06 has extra features, like say maybe Bluetooth, which would account for that. The Helms manual (04/05) shows differences in a lot of places between model year and US/Canadian versions, but they are additions/deletions, no reshuffles that I have seen.

If Reach could post a detailed pic or two of his wires connections, someone might be able to help. I still suspect that if it were miswired though, the colors on the Nav screen would be screwed as well.

Reach

I'll post a pic of my wiring harness tonight, you'll see what I'm talking about.

Its a 24 pin, not a 21 pin harness (nevermind how many wires are actually there, just the harness.

Note on the electrical diagram pics above how 3 pins are 'missing' from the top middle area of the harness... on mine they exist.

And sadly, no Helms manual exists for the 2006 TSX yet.

ryann

so how'd it all work out for you Reach?

domofnavwithtv

Hi
I spoke to ryann today. He didn't have the correct Green wire cut. He found the right wires and will post the pinout tonight. He has everything working now.
The color of the wires may change but the pins on the cable have remained the same.
Thanks Dominic www.TVandNav2Go.com

ninjamyst

Hey Reach, how did you hook up the audio? Did you use the built-in Aux input in the center storage bin? It would be great if someone can write a DIY for 2006 because of the slight changes. I plan to install my converter this or next weekend.....noob here...

ryann

i think dom means he spoke to reach. but i'm glad he got everything worked out and i cant wait to do my install tomorrow. thanks to dom and reach for their help!

Reach

Yes, I spoke to Dom today and he helped me sort out my install. I have non-pnp attached to the harness at the rear of the DVD unit with no problems.

I intend to post a good guide soon, but... I got in an accident this afternoon (completely unrelated to being distracted by Dom's box I swear it was off hehe) Dealing with insurance companies all afternoon is no fun. My car has suffered cosmetic damage only (thank god... check it out... http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31040)

In due time, I hope to figure out the kick panel wiring as well, but in the mean time if anyone has any specific questions on connecting the box to a 2006 TSX they can PM me.

Reach

FYI - kick panel connector = 24 pins. We'll get back to this.

no more si

i think i read somewhere that if you connect it this way youll need a gLi ( ground loop isolater ) as well as a line driver....

ryann

so the wiring in the kick panel is different than the wiring going into the back of the navi unit?

Reach

Yes, very different. Other signals come into play there, such as voice. I know this because when I cut up the kick panel connector I lost Handsfreelink and voice commands.

fuckleberry

hmm so you never figured out the kick-panel wires after all those cutting heheh
that's a shame that you have to give it up and move install location all the way to the back.
If your player is to be located in front, how are you looking to route the cables ?

Reach

I could have put it in the kick panel if I really wanted to is what it comes down to. But, I'm going to hookup a backup cam to it whenever I get around to ordering one, so I would have had to run a cable either way.

I used a metal tape fish to make quick work of routing cables down both the driver and passenger sides. Video down passenger, and a phone line for wiring the switch up front as well as a reverse signal for backup camera if I can't find one in the back (or other future purposes).

PS2 already works great on it, but video only now UsaSpec aux adapter arrives here Monday UPS. I'll let yall know how that works.

Reach

DIY thread with correct install information: https://acurazine.com/forums/audio-video-electronics-navigation-22/diy-install-doms-navi-converter-2006-tsx-non-pnp-339779/#post4864313

please.

sladotron

If you are interested in mounting the dom's unit in the kick panel, you will need to cut 4 wires. The pictures show a 24 pin female connector that goes to the navigation screen. Assuming the bottom left pin is pin 1 and the top left pin is 13, you will need to cut pins
4 - yellow
5 - green
16 - white
17 - red
(count 3 pins from the left in each row and cut the next two wires in each row)

If you purchased dom's converter, the db9 wires that you need to connect are:

pin 4(yellow) to purple wire on the DB9
pin 5 (green) to brown wire on the DB9
pin 16(white) to orange wire on the DB9
pin 17(red) to yellow wire on the DB9

Please see pictures if this is unclear.
Let me know if you have any questions.

sladotron

Sorry,
I forgot to post the other four connections. (when you cut 4 wires, you are left with 8 individual wires that need to be connected)
The connections that I mentioned are from the DVD box in the trunk to the Dom's unit (the small portion of the wires that are right next to the connector). What I didn't mention are the 4 connections from the Dom's unit to the Navigation Screen. Here goes.

Connect the top portion of the 4 wires that you cut in the following manner.

Yellow(pin 4) to Blue on the DB9 cable
Green(pin 5) to White on the DB9 cable
White (pin 16) to Red on the DB9 cable
Red (pin 17) to Green on the DB9 cable

Reach

Excellent sladotron, thanks for finishing what I never did!

I see you've also connected the power wire to a second yellow wire in that harness, where did you connect your ground to? And, how is your picture quality using the kick panel wiring? Post finished pics.

sladotron

The picture quality is great. There are several wires that you can use for ground. I'd have to look at the wiring again to remember exactly which wire I used for ground, but its pretty simple to figure out if you have a voltmeter (measure the resistance, red lead to the pin you are trying to check and the black lead to the body of the car. If you measure around 0 ohms, that means its ground). It is better if you drill a hole in the body and then screw a bolt in and ground everything that way, but I was kind of lazy and didn't want to do it. Besides there isn't a whole lot of room.
I also used a relay to switch the audio from XM to the DVD when the player is turned on. It works very well.

I'll post pictures tomorrow.

Jonesi

Sladotron if you don't mind would you create another thread with all the info you can so I can add it to the sticky thread?