Hello all,

I finally got my amp today, JL e1250. I'm looking to spend between 100 and 150 on either Components or coaxials in my 04 TSX w/ NAv. I need suggestions on what people have experienced. I already have a 12" CompVR thats way to loud for the stock system, I have to fade up to almost to the 7 or 8 setting. I'm hoping this amp is pretty good, its brand new and should provide great power. So essentially I need to know the pros and cons of components and coaxials and what will perform well. THanks!!

 

anyone???

 

I think that a $150 budget is a tough number for good speakers of either type. Coaxials that sound as good as components often cost around $200 MSRP and up.

I have a coaxial in my house brand of speakers that is $200 with a hybrid poly cone, a German-made butyl rubber-type surround, and a 3/4" silk dome tweeter, and a stern 12dB tweeter xover and 6dB mid xover that's outboard (i.e., not built into the speaker or glued on). My speakers come without grilles or other HW, to keep the cost down, else they'd be more.

That goes for $200. I guess my earlier comments in defense of coaxials should have mentioned that cheap coaxials weren't covered.

Most $150 and under coaxials use a tweeter xover that's a simple capacitor in series... doesn't filter lower notes out very fast, results in distortion at higher volumes. They also don't filter the highs out of the midwoofer at all - lets it be a hair louder, but again, distortion is audible from that driver.

So if price is the only reason you are going with coaxials, I gotta warn you, it won't sound very good. I thought you were looking at the theory / principles of the thing.

Anyway, I'd go up to $200 either way as your options in either coax or seperates increase substantially.

 

How about the JL VR-600CSI Components or the VR-600CXI coaxials??? Do the 6" fit better than the 6.5" in the TSX??? There are some good prices on ebay on both of these.

 

Do you have any recommendations for a good pair of coaxials? Maybe 3 recommendations?

 

I think that the MBQ in coaxial form are better in the TSX than in component form (they are convertibles). Keep those tweets outta the dasha and away from that glass.

I obviously like my speakers (the avincar coaxials : ) I mis-spoke - the list on the 6's is closer to two and a half.

a/d/s/ has a convertible series too... the 2 series.

Most coaxials just use that series capapcitor on the tweeter. I don't have personal experience with those Jl Audios but I would check on whether they have an external or onboard xover. I would not include ANY onboard xover coax as "higher end" myself.

 

I am rather fond of the ADS components for a budget under 300. They will run you $230 for the 6" comp set. I am sure you can fork an extra 80 bucks for quality gear. For more money you have a much bigger selection. Most decent car speakers today cost 200+. Just remember that install is 70% of a system. If you put them in the right enclosure, like kick panels. or just glass them in the door...they sound magnificent compared to just throwing them in the stock holes. I would also like to note that the guy above this thread is highly knowledgable and one of the best audio advice givers ive seen in a while.

www.carmedia1.com is where I saw them for 230

 

CDT Audio has some very nice coaxs/braxials

I have the HD-63DTS and they sound really nice. Low power requirements too.

 

Dont you guys think seperates sound better than coaxil? The sound is so much more refined to me.

 

Many seperates use the same tweeter externally that they use in a coaxial.

Many seperates use the same xover as their coaxial or maybe slightly better (a 6db tweeter xover and let the mid run wild on the top end, or a 12db tweeter xover and let the mid run wild on the top end.)

Now, if you take a 6/tweet component set, and run a 10mm hard dome tweeter, maybe with some shiny stuff on it so it looks "metal", and put a cap on the tweeter, and use the same mid-woofer, why would it sound any different?

Component mounting allows a bigger tweeter, both in height/depth and in diameter. It allows a separate xover box that CAN be much better. It allows a midwoofer with more travel (since it can't hit the back of a tweeter).

But the assumption that seperating them automatically makes them sound better is the reason that big brand names are making low-end seperates. To sell them to people that think that because they're seperates, they won't sound low-end.

Remember, any big company making speakers that sell though large chains like Best Buy are designed for one simple task - to sound impressive in Best Buy's demo boards, on-axis and at ear level. Speakers that are designed to sound good down low an at a 90-degree angle never sell in Best Buy's demo boards - so big companies don't even make them.

That's how big retail chains keep consumers from getting speakers that sound good in their cars.

 

i agree with eld. i have found that the equipment i am happiest with (home and car), comes from small specialized companies that have found the niche for them, and not from gigantic global corporations marketing multitudes of different technologies. examples: my music hall mmf5 tutntable and basis preamp (c. $700) beats my sony sacd player ($1800) in sound quality; my dynaudio system 240gt front speakers beat my jl xr 650 and all the alpine/sony/pioneers seperates various car salespeople have tried to sell me. they specialist products will often not be found in large stereo stores (bb, gg, cc for example), but the search is (almost) always worth it. Part of the fun, for me, is the search and the listening to various components. Fortunately i have a wife that indulges my hobby; unfortunately, her hearing is better than mine (and yet she doesn't care much about sound quality). enjoy the search for your own musical nirvana. jps

 

Werd, jp... wish I had that turntable (on my list: )

I like the a/d/s/ 2-series as well... they should be in stock in about a week or two...