04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I won't be excited to see anything else at this point. This car is a disaster.

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

if I’m not mistaken that’s the same hp the s4 makes as well on the dyno if not more.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Not saying you're RIGHT or WRONG, I couldn't obtain the information to validate what you said as I don't really do performance research on the S4. Perhaps some of the other members who know better than I can validate this. I will say, the B9 S4 has a lot of aftermarket support from my research to obtain the stock dyno numbers. We already know the S4 is quicker so it's possible to have a bit more to the wheels vs the TLX-S

F23A4

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2018+ Honda Accord/ 2019+ Acura RDX/ TLX 2.0T Type R turbo swap kit - Axion Industries

fiatlux

One point to make is that they used a Dynapack, which usually a reads a bit higher than a Dynojet, and quite a bit higher than a Mustang dyno aka heartbreak dyno. It’d be interesting to see what the baseline numbers were; I would not be surprised if it was at or above the advertised 272bhp rating.

leomio2.0

Dew it. FBO + turbo swap + tune and you'll be making about 45wHP more than the Type-S while being ~200lbs lighter. Of course, no warranty, but it'll be noticeably quicker compared to the Type-S and for less than the $6k price difference.

[Disclaimer: No, this is not bashing the Type-S ... it's just comparing mod-ability comparative to the higher performance model available]

fiatlux

IIRC the S4 makes around 340whp, confirmed on multiple cars and multiple dynos. While you can’t compare dyno results from different dynos and different days, that’s a huge difference from the Type S numbers to chalk up to normal variation. I think it’s safe to say without a doubt that the S4 makes considerably more power than the Type S, and the results at the drag strip confirms that.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I did see an article that the B9 S4 makes exactly what it claims. I was going to post it but didn't know if the information was legit. Thank you for verifying!! Appreciate it.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I agree with leomio.

jhb31

You are pretty accurate from things I have read on the forums with dyno testing. Engine HP is likely closer to 400 than 350, they just underated it for whatever reason.

leomio2.0

APR has/had a Mustang dyno and Dynapaks (I've seen APR videos utilizing one or the other, so they have both of them). I have no idea how they tested theirs, but they rated the B9 S4 at 329wHP.

Ghostof TypeS Past

whats the difference between the $2,400 turbo and the $1,400 turbo sold on that site?

Ghostof TypeS Past

totally my fault on that one

F23A4

I have a FWD A-Spec which is about 430lbs lighter. My only concern is whether or not the tranny keeps it together.

fiatlux

For as much criticism we tend to give the weight, it's not like the powertrain is a world beater. I know it's a unfair to compare it to the M340i, but the M340i Convertible that C&D just tested weighs only 25lb less, but still bests the Type S by a wide margin (and narrowly edges out the S4, too, for that matter). 0-60 in 4.1s, 1/4-mile in 12.6s @ 111mph, with a curb weight of 4176lb. That B58 motor is just unreal.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Ghostof TypeS Past

This whole time all you were trying to say is that for $5k more I could have had an Audi with 340whp and MMI with google earth in the gauge cluster?? What the heck guys.

Kense

I thought it was already well known when Germans give HP numbers it’s WHP.

fiatlux

These did not age well...

Are we allowed to talk about it now that it's been dyno'd and track tested?

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

The $2,400 Turbo setup is a STAGE 2 as the $1,400 is a one step up (upgrade) from stock. It's the Civic type-r stock turbo.

I'm sure we can. Some still believe with supporting mods this will walk the M3. There's quite the gap to fill in from what the M3 puts down stock to the TLX-S. I just scroll past the comments now since it's clear those making such comments are pretty clueless. More curious to see what Tony Pac thinks about the TLX-S dyno video..

alpha0

How much bump in power/torque is needed for TLX-S to reduce time by 0.5 seconds across the board? Can k-tuner or hondata type tunes achieve that without major hardware overhaul?

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

Throw back to the first Fast and furious, where Dom and Brian pull up against a Ferrari

F23A4

Remember it well; 355 driver is one of the movie’s producers if I’m not mistaken.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

I believe you are correct.

As a side note, funny how the tables have turned..

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

All things being equal (and they never are) I come from the 12 all wHP per .10 improvement. So factoring in the weight at least 75 wHP gain to see possibly 0.5 quicker. A tune will help more with TQ over HP.

vhtran

There's a house near my place, I have seen this white Supra has been parked at the same spot on his/her driveway and has not moved an inch. So clean and sexy! I am wondering if it's a 2JZ and if the owner ever put up the FORSALE sign on it. :-D

jjsC5

What does that mean? I believe that most cars use an SAE certified standard today. Do you think that means it makes at the rear wheels what they claim at the crank?

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

This was the article I found https://www.audiboost.com/content.ph...er-Cartec-dyno

BEAR-AvHistory

Of course they will. Have you seen the Audi EV line-up

Legend2TL

FWIW, he was referring to hybrid vehicles not EV's.

BEAR-AvHistory

Of course they will.

AUDI EV

HONDA EV

BEAR-AvHistory

Quote:

Originally Posted by

But the future is EV not hybrid. BMW is running M340 hybrid now but corporate policy is the move more EV's. By the end of 2025, the company expects to have delivered about 2 million full-electric vehicles to customers, rising to 10 million by 2030. The company will have at least one full-electric model on the road in 90 percent of its current market segments by 2023.

Right now I think Audi is ahead of BMW in EV's

Legend2TL

The original subject was the Acura electric SH-AWD hybrid drivetrain system which was discontinued in the MDX and RLX which was being discussed.
Had nothing to do with pure EV, FWIW the Audi Q5 hybrid sold less than than the MDX Sport Hybrid
No many want them in Acura or Audi, it's a EV future

BEAR-AvHistory

[QUOTE=Legend2TL;16740378]The original subject was the Acura electric SH-AWD hybrid drivetrain system which was discontinued in the MDX and RLX.
Had nothing to do with EV, FWIW the Audi Q5 hybrid sold less than than the MDX Sport Hybrid
No many want them in Acura or Audi, it's a EV future[/QUOTE]

You do understand 'down the road" is a reference to the future, not yesterday, not today.

Must have missed something. So in the future or down the road Honda is going to laugh at AUDI who is going EV because HONDA has more experience in hybrid's which is yesterdays & todays tech in the HONDA line & with two discontinued Acura's.

someguy11

On point: I really wish I had purchased an RLX SH at some point in my past. It wasn't really a ratings or sales hit, but the RLX was an amazing looker and the SH gave the flagship sedan the AWD it deserved.

Off point: I'm not surprised by this post and you're the BMW guy Bear. I will say that when shopping for my Accord, what I really wanted was a plug-in hybrid, but the Prius Prime and Clarity are such dudmobiles. The BMW e-drive floated to the top of my list at one point. There were several 330e (some with xDrive) available around here at decent prices, but I read some questionable reviews and ultimately didn't want to roll the dice on an early year complex machine from BMW. On paper, that would have been the perfect car for me. I believe what you're saying though. I'm seeing more and more i3 and even an i8 every now and then around here. I would just caution automakers to go full EV. The appeal of a hybrid or plug-in hybrid is the unlimited range without having to charge. I know people with Telsas who already complain about having to charge halfway through long drives.

Acure4RDX

Lots of criticim and lots of praise. Each, or at least most, due to merely personal preferences. I have been a fan of Car & Driver for a long time and I saw minimal criticism, if any, in their report. The S an 'A+' in my opinion.

BEAR-AvHistory

As a personal matter I do not like EV's, the ultimate appliance. Hope to avoid them for as long as I can. Can buy into a high performance light hybrid package but thats the end of electrics for me.

Edward'TLS

BEAR-AvHistory, since you have missed out on the first part of my discussion, you have completely missed my point. So I here put together the entire discussion as above to help you understand better.

To sum it up, I have been saying that the RLX/MDX Sport Hybrid powertrain was a temporary stop-gap solution for Honda's lacking of high power (>350hp) V6 engines. With the debut of a high power Honda turbo-V6, there was no more need for Sport Hybrid to exist. Sport Hybrid was never the future, EV would be the future when EV battery technology became more mature. Then another forum member said that Audi was also implementing a similar hybrid system similar to the Honda/Acura Sport Hybrid. I said Sport Hybrid powertrain was a very complicated setup when a simpler turbo-V6-torque-vectoring-AWD could achieve the same result. I also added that since Honda/Acura had been down this Sport Hybrid path (and decided not to continue), so Honda/Acura would laugh at Audi after Audi had eventually figured out that Sport Hybrid would be a dead end a couple years down the road.

Edward'TLS

Thanks for helping others to better understand my points.

Legend2TL

for a period of time, the Acura Sport Hybrid system was clearly ahead in technology and it' pretty diverse application (NSX/MDX/RLX). A neighbor has a RLX Sport Hybrid who prior had a A8 and before that a 740i, he really enjoys the car and plans to keep it for a long time. Audi did have plans to employ a similar AWD hybrid system on many models, but IDK if that ever happened (the Q5 hybrid was discontinued but there are still some Audi hybrids).

Late to the real hybrid party (I discount those Honda planar electric motor assist early hybrids) but Honda finally got up to Toyota level in overall hybrid tech (with the new CRV and Accord hybrids have some impressive efficiency's) but it doesn't matter as much now since hybrid sales AFAIK have been decreasing market share wise.

It's a EV future and I would put Porsche/Audi in 2nd place from a overall EV point of view. Sad but Honda with all it's engineering and manufacturing resources have wasted a good decade where they coulda done what Porsche/Audi have done. Same goes for Toyota.

However, Audi/Porsche have totally leapfrogged both Honda and Toyota with their very modern EV tech. Gotta give credit to them, both Toyota (whose CEO made some kinda weird EV comments in the last few years) and Honda have truly failed to establish a overall EV strategy and tactical approach to their EV's.