Base TLX or TLX Type S
#241
There are four lights!
1. I'm just guessing, but I think it's just to hold the price down for a premium-sedan in this segment.
Here in the states, it sounds like potential buyers are already frowning on $54,000 USD for a Type-S ( and it's estimated 355hp, and only this and why that, etc.).
Not everything, but I thought Canadian models got more features than us here in the states ?
2. Said by the owner of a TLX with SH-AWD . I also appreciate AWD on a sedan, and I don't mind paying for it.
Here in the states, it sounds like potential buyers are already frowning on $54,000 USD for a Type-S ( and it's estimated 355hp, and only this and why that, etc.).
Not everything, but I thought Canadian models got more features than us here in the states ?
2. Said by the owner of a TLX with SH-AWD . I also appreciate AWD on a sedan, and I don't mind paying for it.
As for the SH-AWD, don't get me wrong. It's an absolute gem especially on the curves and bendies. Probably one of the best FWD-based systems. But having had a 2011 X3 35i xDrive with the adaptive dampers, I sometimes miss the RWD-bias driving dynamics. That thing was so much fun to drive. Even for a crossover.
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#245
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#246
That doesn't change the fact that it's still FWD-based. It may be rear-biased under power, but it is still FWD-based and by default front-biased under most conditions.
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#247
There are four lights!
Indeed. SH-AWD is fantastic under power. Very neutral on curves as long as your foot remains on the pedal. Let the foot off the throttle and it understeers like most FWD-based vehicles. Not to mention the V6 makes the front end plow a bit due to extra weight. I should mention the X3 I had, like most BMWs, had very good 50/50 weight balance and that plays a lot into the driving dynamics as well. I would have kept the vehicle, but in terms of reliability, that thing was an absolute turd.
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#248
Ok idiot. I'll list a few
1) They are gas guzzlers
2) They pollute more
3) Because of their size they are more prone to accidents.
4) Parking them is a pain the neck
5) They take up too much space in a crowded world.
Most SUV's cannot put a car to shame. The one you stated before practically IS A CAR !!!! And I'm sure the ones you rave about are the same
This is all nonsense. And the fact you brought up rocket scientist shows the chicken brain you are.
1) They are gas guzzlers
2) They pollute more
3) Because of their size they are more prone to accidents.
4) Parking them is a pain the neck
5) They take up too much space in a crowded world.
Most SUV's cannot put a car to shame. The one you stated before practically IS A CAR !!!! And I'm sure the ones you rave about are the same
This is all nonsense. And the fact you brought up rocket scientist shows the chicken brain you are.
#249
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Indeed. SH-AWD is fantastic under power. Very neutral on curves as long as your foot remains on the pedal. Let the foot off the throttle and it understeers like most FWD-based vehicles. Not to mention the V6 makes the front end plow a bit due to extra weight. I should mention the X3 I had, like most BMWs, had very good 50/50 weight balance and that plays a lot into the driving dynamics as well. I would have kept the vehicle, but in terms of reliability, that thing was an absolute turd.
#250
There are four lights!
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#251
First Year Blues
My car, however, had to have an engine replacement at 9K miles. Transmission work at 11K. Limp mode twice. Struts and bearings at 19K miles. When I had my first problem out of warranty I swapped it for an RDX.
Now considering upgrading my wife's car to the TLX or something equivalent (Genesis, etc.).
#252
Burning Brakes
#253
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Let's keep the conversation civil and on topic - no personal attacks or name calling.
#254
Null and proud of it
I did the same thing with a Ford Fusion Sport. LOVED the car. Great speed, fast off the line, and a good price for what you get (as loaded as the TLX-S will be). End of the day, it's still a Ford though.
My car, however, had to have an engine replacement at 9K miles. Transmission work at 11K. Limp mode twice. Struts and bearings at 19K miles. When I had my first problem out of warranty I swapped it for an RDX.
Now considering upgrading my wife's car to the TLX or something equivalent (Genesis, etc.).
My car, however, had to have an engine replacement at 9K miles. Transmission work at 11K. Limp mode twice. Struts and bearings at 19K miles. When I had my first problem out of warranty I swapped it for an RDX.
Now considering upgrading my wife's car to the TLX or something equivalent (Genesis, etc.).
Ouch.
I know a guy with a 2016 Focus with the DCT. He is currently on transmission number six, I believe, and it's slipping again.
#255
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I own a 2018 xdrive30i and a 2019 M40i. My 2018 had two very minor and common issues which was resolved under warranty. The 2019 has been solid. I'm sorry you had issues with yours.
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#256
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I did the same thing with a Ford Fusion Sport. LOVED the car. Great speed, fast off the line, and a good price for what you get (as loaded as the TLX-S will be). End of the day, it's still a Ford though.
My car, however, had to have an engine replacement at 9K miles. Transmission work at 11K. Limp mode twice. Struts and bearings at 19K miles. When I had my first problem out of warranty I swapped it for an RDX.
Now considering upgrading my wife's car to the TLX or something equivalent (Genesis, etc.).
My car, however, had to have an engine replacement at 9K miles. Transmission work at 11K. Limp mode twice. Struts and bearings at 19K miles. When I had my first problem out of warranty I swapped it for an RDX.
Now considering upgrading my wife's car to the TLX or something equivalent (Genesis, etc.).
#257
Burning Brakes
I'll be honest with you. We own a 2015 Ford transit van with the 3.5 TT engine (for the business) and it's racked in 220,000 miles. Bought from brand new. It's been way more reliable than the sprinter we had. It recently started to misfire. The shop had a hard time trying to figure out what caused the misfire. I told them to check the valves for carbon (Direct injection) sure enough they were caked and caused the misfire on one cylinder. They cleaned the intake valves, new plugs, fresh oil, new intake manifold and air filter and it's back to being silky smooth. Still on the original engine, turbos and transmission. All maintenance for the most part and a fuel pump mod. It's definitely a work horse.
So, do you think more Super-Unleaded (with cleaning additives) would have prevented it, or was it just the 220,000 miles that created the problem ?
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#258
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Another vehicle saved from the junk-yard by methodical diagnosis. And if I understand correctly, it turned-out to be a rather "old school" problem after-all. Yall did good work. I like hearing stories like this.
So, do you think more Super-Unleaded (with cleaning additives) would have prevented it, or was it just the 220,000 miles that created the problem ?
So, do you think more Super-Unleaded (with cleaning additives) would have prevented it, or was it just the 220,000 miles that created the problem ?
#259
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Originally Posted by lowgrowl View Post
Ok idiot. I'll list a few
1) They are gas guzzlers
2) They pollute more
3) Because of their size they are more prone to accidents.
4) Parking them is a pain the neck
5) They take up too much space in a crowded world.
Most SUV's cannot put a car to shame. The one you stated before practically IS A CAR !!!! And I'm sure the ones you rave about are the same
[color=#222222]This is all nonsense. And the fact you brought up rocket scientist shows the chicken brain you are.
Ok idiot. I'll list a few
1) They are gas guzzlers
2) They pollute more
3) Because of their size they are more prone to accidents.
4) Parking them is a pain the neck
5) They take up too much space in a crowded world.
Most SUV's cannot put a car to shame. The one you stated before practically IS A CAR !!!! And I'm sure the ones you rave about are the same
[color=#222222]This is all nonsense. And the fact you brought up rocket scientist shows the chicken brain you are.
![](https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazine.com-vbulletin/850x637/sub420bhp_80023dc674154ed7f63e2b5995c2044feaca26b8.jpg)
Not bad for 3 tons of 122CuFt of Cargo space with 6,000lbs tow rating.
RST:
6.2-liter V-8 with 420 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque. 10L80 10-speed automatic, a shorter 3.23:1 axle ratio, and adaptive Magnetic Ride Control dampers with a performance calibration. 4WD models also get a two-speed active transfer case.
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#261
Suzuka Master
Definitely interested in testing the TLX when it comes out, while impatiently waiting for the Type-S and still driving a 2015 IS350 so I went and test drove a 2020 S4 Prestige today to see if I could make a low mileage lease work. Virtual Cockpit was quite impressive, very minimal turbo lag, and the low-down push when accelerating was addictive. Only took the car for a test drive for a few miles but found it to be very comfortable. They definitely need a full redesign for the A/S4 for the new touchscreen system to be integrated within the interior layout. The one I test drove had a $64K sticker.
I was very explicit that I was looking to be around $550/month with $5K down before I ever came in for a test drive. I nearly fell out of the chair when the salesman came back with the following 'offer':
36 months - $892.33/month
39 months - 893.42/month
42 months $875.44/month
Pretty piss poor experience with the luxury brand, needless to say, the conversation was over very quickly. Definitely soured my opinion of the brand which is disappointing after how much I liked the car.
I was very explicit that I was looking to be around $550/month with $5K down before I ever came in for a test drive. I nearly fell out of the chair when the salesman came back with the following 'offer':
36 months - $892.33/month
39 months - 893.42/month
42 months $875.44/month
Pretty piss poor experience with the luxury brand, needless to say, the conversation was over very quickly. Definitely soured my opinion of the brand which is disappointing after how much I liked the car.
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#262
Suzuka Master
I don't understand why the Type-S doesn't have two trims. A Tech trim for those that want performance on a budget, or for those that don't really care for all the additional features. And a Advance/Elite trim for those that want performance and everything else. It's not like we're asking Acura to split the Type-S into five different trims. Actually never mind. I can answer my own question. Acura is Acura and they do Acura things, for better or for worse.
Kind of sad when we have brands like Genesis whizzing past Acura. Great value, good looking vehicles, proper-wheel drive, and none of this arbitrary "you can have all the goodies on the 2.0T model, but too bad, so sad, you can't have those on the 3.0T". Really, the only thing hurting Genesis at this point is a lack of a dealer infrastructure. And while Acura no doubt have been improving the brand, they're still largely riding on brand recognition. The Type-S was their chance to put themselves on the pedestal and stand out, but even interest in the vehicle seems to be fizzling away.
Kind of sad when we have brands like Genesis whizzing past Acura. Great value, good looking vehicles, proper-wheel drive, and none of this arbitrary "you can have all the goodies on the 2.0T model, but too bad, so sad, you can't have those on the 3.0T". Really, the only thing hurting Genesis at this point is a lack of a dealer infrastructure. And while Acura no doubt have been improving the brand, they're still largely riding on brand recognition. The Type-S was their chance to put themselves on the pedestal and stand out, but even interest in the vehicle seems to be fizzling away.
#263
if you look at Genesis the Sport is essentially the top trim and has everything the other trims have. I also like that with Genesis you can get the 3.3T in the non-Sport models. This is where Acura is screwing up. The V6 Turbo should be offered in the Advance and every feature I. The Advance should be on the Type-S. Also with Type-S starting in low to mid 50s then I look at G70 and for $53K you get a Sport with AWD and al, the top trim features are in it. I just drove a 20 G70 Sport and it was a blast and the Infotainment is better than Acura's, you get the surround cameras, folding mirrors, etc. And if the car is too firm for you get the non-Sport with all the same goodies. If this G70 in Havana Red had AWD I would have it in the garage already. My current thinking is to wait and see the Type-S, but I am considering buying my ASPEC 19 lease and drive it until the TLX 2G refresh in 3 years and hope they wake up and load up the Type-S and get a virtual cockpit going. Seems G70 is going to have a Special Edition in 21 with LCD dash and I suspect the 22 refresh will have it on the upper trim models.
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#264
I thought the G70 is getting refreshed shortly. The update will definitely make the car a lot better. TBH, I'm not impressed with the current interior which includes that small stuck on tablet. I'm all in for the Type S but if dealers get greedy and demand markups I will consider updated G70 for sure.
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#265
My local dealer has a TLX showing up in two weeks. I'll be notified when it is ready to test drive, they don't know what trim it is. Sounds like all the base cars are being sent out to dealers first, followed by A spec & tech packages. I'm sure ill have to wait till the end of the year for a Advanced trim car.
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#266
Burning Brakes
My local dealer has a TLX showing up in two weeks. I'll be notified when it is ready to test drive, they don't know what trim it is. Sounds like all the base cars are being sent out to dealers first, followed by A spec & tech packages. I'm sure ill have to wait till the end of the year for a Advanced trim car.
I was told the TLX models showing-up at my dealer, are the ones they ordered. They know exactly about them and showed me a list. They are accepting deposits to hold/reserve certain ones if a customer wishes.
It all sounds similar to when we bought our 2014-MDX from them.
But yeah, they really don't know how to order the spec cars very well. In their defense, there are 8 different variations (and then all the colors). But even then, who wants to "settle" for a non favorite color or weird interior on a $40k car? How about on a $50k Advance (not me).
On the 2014-MDX there was a party at the dealership and everything. We got to test-drive a couple to see if it was worth waiting for and good enough to buy. We got first-pick but still had the do the deal up-front and special build-to-order to get exactly what we wanted. Lots of "hurry up and wait" getting our first Acura, but it was worth it as it was a good SUV.
We just got a couple of short commercials to get us by (but they were good). Different times I guess.
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#268
Burning Brakes
2. Why do you think it takes 3 years ? You don't think the 2022 TLX 3.0T Type-S could have HUD, Surround-View-Cameras, Folding Mirrors, etc. ?
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#271
Each time you change colors in the paint booth, it takes time and costs resources. It makes sense to do huge batches of the same color all at once to minimize the number of times you need to switch.
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#272
Suzuka Master
I thought the G70 is getting refreshed shortly. The update will definitely make the car a lot better. TBH, I'm not impressed with the current interior which includes that small stuck on tablet. I'm all in for the Type S but if dealers get greedy and demand markups I will consider updated G70 for sure.
#273
Suzuka Master
Deals on the 20s are great. They took $8500 off then on top of that offered me an insane trade in on my TLX which I am sure the are subsidizing with what Gould have been $10K off. The only thing stopping me is I want Havana Red in AWD and the car they have is RWD. although they have a Blue and Silver in AWD. I suspect Type-S will be rare and MSRP for a few months easily. And then Genesis has 3 years all maintenance included and 10 year 100K powertrain warranty.
#274
Suzuka Master
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Type-S when released is released as a 22 that late in the model year. Also Acura is pretty predictable in 3 years then a MMC. They are quickly becoming the sole maker being that rigid as many other brands make yearly tweaks.
#275
Deals on the 20s are great. They took $8500 off then on top of that offered me an insane trade in on my TLX which I am sure the are subsidizing with what Gould have been $10K off. The only thing stopping me is I want Havana Red in AWD and the car they have is RWD. although they have a Blue and Silver in AWD. I suspect Type-S will be rare and MSRP for a few months easily. And then Genesis has 3 years all maintenance included and 10 year 100K powertrain warranty.
I bet we eventually see prices in the mid-40s or they just don't sell and cut production numbers. There must be a good reason they are waiting - want to see how the regular TLX sells and see what actual sales price.
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#277
Burning Brakes
I think they are over-estimating the demand for this car. It's kinda pissing me off. It's a nice car and I was trying to stay loyal to Acura, but my enthusiasm is diminishing. There are other nice new cars out there.
Then, they want to sell (minimally equipped) TLX 3.0T Type-S next year. Also all hyped-up, low numbers, and again at full (still undefined) MSRP.
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#278
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Craigslist seller: I know what I have. no low ballers!
Acura: hold my beer
especially in time of economic crisis.
in 2008, it played out the same way...Acura ended up canceling a lot of products in the pipeline due to economic crisis
Acura: hold my beer
I think they are over-estimating the demand for this car
in 2008, it played out the same way...Acura ended up canceling a lot of products in the pipeline due to economic crisis
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#279
Three Wheelin'
They want to sell some loaded TLX-2.0T SH-AWD at full MSRP (not a cheap car).
I think they are over-estimating the demand for this car. It's kinda pissing me off. It's a nice car and I was trying to stay loyal to Acura, but my enthusiasm is diminishing. There are other nice new cars out there.
Then, they want to sell (minimally equipped) TLX 3.0T Type-S next year. Also all hyped-up, low numbers, and again at full (still undefined) MSRP.
I think they are over-estimating the demand for this car. It's kinda pissing me off. It's a nice car and I was trying to stay loyal to Acura, but my enthusiasm is diminishing. There are other nice new cars out there.
Then, they want to sell (minimally equipped) TLX 3.0T Type-S next year. Also all hyped-up, low numbers, and again at full (still undefined) MSRP.
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I doubt they're going to cancel this product after spending all that R&D and marketing on the Type S. What I can see them doing is raising the MSRP, as plenty of people have already jumped ship, while you have the fanboys who won't buy anything other than Honda ... and no matter how inferior the product, are deluded enough to think it's still somehow more special than its competition that outperforms it in every single segment. I honestly don't see them releasing it for under $54k at this point. Brand new V6 engine, new turbo, R&D, drivetrain tweaks (yet not an inkling of detail as to what ... likely nothing more than a re-tune), aesthetic bits, different exhaust, suspension rework, new wheels and the 'Type S' badge that lets everyone know you're "successful" and can afford the top model *rolleyes* .... $5k bump over the next top model (Advance) at the absolute minimum.
We saw an almost $5k jump from the 1G to the 2G. It's not out of the question for Acura to be as boneheaded with the Type S. Yell all you want about how I'm criticizing the car before it's out ... I was right about it not costing less than $50k since the new models were likely to get a bump from last gen.
And yes, I can absolutely see dealers marking them up. I wouldn't expect them to be discounted until the following MY examples start shipping, if ever. Look at the CTR. I still hear dealers aren't letting them go for under sticker.
Heck, after thinking about it more, I wouldn't even be surprised if it was more than that ... $56k, let's go for it. With how downright asinine Acura is and how deluded they are about their shit products, fuck it ... let's play with the M340i with being an absolute pile of shit in comparison. Why the fuck not? This whole release has been an egotistical fucking debacle.
We saw an almost $5k jump from the 1G to the 2G. It's not out of the question for Acura to be as boneheaded with the Type S. Yell all you want about how I'm criticizing the car before it's out ... I was right about it not costing less than $50k since the new models were likely to get a bump from last gen.
And yes, I can absolutely see dealers marking them up. I wouldn't expect them to be discounted until the following MY examples start shipping, if ever. Look at the CTR. I still hear dealers aren't letting them go for under sticker.
Heck, after thinking about it more, I wouldn't even be surprised if it was more than that ... $56k, let's go for it. With how downright asinine Acura is and how deluded they are about their shit products, fuck it ... let's play with the M340i with being an absolute pile of shit in comparison. Why the fuck not? This whole release has been an egotistical fucking debacle.
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