lowgrowl

The Type S is predicted to have around 350 HP and all the good things that you would expect to have with the upgrade. But I can't see how you can get that without paying a hefty price. My guess is we're looking at upwards of 50K. Maybe even 60K. The base I think with AWD should fall somewhere in the low forties. I can't see spending that amount for the type S. But I am sure it will be a awesome experience to drive. Besides I think their will probably be tuning to bring the HP of the base car (274) above 300. What do you think ?

justnspace

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this is the same discussion that has been going on in other threads.
why not visit those threads and join in on the discussion..


https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...ge-5-a-981410/

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...type-s-986955/

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...-specs-989409/


https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...tq-est-989047/

lowgrowl

Not really. I just wanted to hear thoughts on comparing the type s and the base model.

justnspace

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....

it's the same subject. lol

leomio85

Every question you've asked has been discussed ad nauseam in this sub-forum. Type S will have 355HP, it's unofficially official. Projected pricing of the Type S will be low-$50k, likely ~$52k starting. Whether or not the Type S is worth ~$12k over the base depends on what you want from the vehicle and your budget. Tuning with a canned tune that's available from Hondata or KTuner have already brought the 2.0T over 300HP with 91oct. A custom tune will yield greater gains. What can be brought out of the 3.0T will depend on the turbo used, but I suspect it will be a substantial amount, so long as they put a decent sized turbo on it. The biggest question mark will be if the internals of the new motor and the drivetrain can cope with the increased power from a tune. The 2.0T with a tune has already proven to be reliable.

Tesla1856

1. Exactly. If you have the extra money (and think you might want something like that) ... I would wait until Spring 2021. Then you can drive and compare both.

2. In the the official video ... they say that the 10-speed automatic transmission is "beefed-up " in the Type-S model. It will be interesting to see if it carries a different model/revision number. Especially in the SH-AWD models, there are many parts that help the car go.

lowgrowl

The new base TLX and Type S reminds me of the base Audi A4 and S4. The A4 has good power, handling, etc, and the S4 takes to the next level. I driven both and the difference is substantial. Interestingly the prices of both models of the Acura and Audi seem very similar. The A4 is popular and I see alot on the road. I haven't seen nearly as many S4's. Obviously it's price and many people just want the prestige more than performance. If I could get over 300HP on the base car with a tune that would make the car plenty quick and would be enough for me. Having 400 hp or more would cause me more problems than pleasures.

leomio85

A4 sales are actually on quite a decline:

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/audi-a4-sales-figures/

I don't think it's so much that people don't like the A4, it's just that so many people are dumping sedans for crossovers. Acura is bringing something that isn't really significantly better than any of its competition in a dying market and is late to the party ... all for a price that doesn't make it much of a bargain compared to brands that have far more prestige. I just don't see it doing well. And I have no idea how they plan to recoup the development cost of the 3.0T with the circus that is the TLX-S launch.

lowgrowl

I don't agree with your view, But I do agree with the part about people moving towards SUV'S AND CV'S. And you know something ? That's really sad what people's priorities are these days.

justnspace

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weird ass sentiment.

there are some SUV's that out maneuver sedans.
The Macan comes to mind.
the X3 m40i puts down close to 400hp...

not bad for soccer mom vehicles.

lowgrowl

Hmm. High center of gravity vehicles that out manuever sedans. And I'm the one that has a weird sentiment LOL

Tesla1856

But do we all have to buy only SUV/CSUV and drive a SUV all the time ?

I know for a fact that the wife and I have always enjoyed owning and driving a sedan. We really like having one of each. We each have our own FOB for each car (along with custom settings).

justnspace

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that is not my sentiment.
that is fact that the Macan out handles most sedans.

Nurburgring times:
Macan turbo- 8:27.454
Honda NSX - 8:38
Honda S2K - 8:39
mazda speed3 - 8:39
Lotus exige MK1 - 8:42

faster lap times than some of the most legendary low center of gravity cars.

lowgrowl

Why would anyone want to own that. I don't find it that attractive, and I can see from pictures it is lower to the ground than your typical SUV. It's mileage is 19/23 and the reviews say it's cargo capacity is poor. So what the hell would be the justification to have one ? Because it's a SUV ? Real dumb. Take it on the track with a BMW M3 etc and let's see how it does. Give me a break.

justnspace

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I dont find it attractive either.
Like MOST ugly cars, there is a cult following for them...not because the way they look..BUT because the way they drive. the driving experience is a lot better than most sedans. key word here being; MOST....excluding the M3. Because the M3 is not MOST sedans.

And we can say that about the TLX Type-S as well. take it on the track vs the M3...who wins? not the tlx.

lowgrowl

It's made by porsche so of course it's gonna be sporty. It doesn't even really look like a SUV to me. It almost is a sedan. Of course the TLX Type S can't compete with the M3. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that. Different category. It also happens to cost 70-100K

justnspace

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glad you arent a rocket scientist. lol

lowgrowl

If I were one, I would sure as hell be a better one than you. LOL

justnspace

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competition breeds better products. bring it on!

PredatorWH

If I end up getting one it will be the type s. If im going to shell out money to upgrade my car then im going to want it to feel like a noticable upgrade. Going from a 2008 tl type s with 286 hp to 272 hp just isnt going to do it for me. The 2.0T might feel a bit faster but if im upgrading my car I want it to feel alot faster.

iforyou

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To be fair, a lot of modern performance SUV's will outperform sports cars from a couple decades ago. One particular aspect is tires. Modern tires offer a lot more grip than before. Even just looking at the more recent tires, you have sport cup 2's, and then the trofeo came out and are already noticeably faster. And now there's the sport cup 2R's.

Heck, even a FWD FK8 CTR family econo hatch is faster than the legendary Ferrari F40 at Suzuka. I wouldn't be surprised a F40 with modern day tires would be faster though.

This is a segment that has been struggling in recent years though. I also don't feel the TLX will be selling like hot cakes, even if it's priced attractively. I'd imagine if Acura can sell 2000 TLX a month, that's a pretty good figure already. I don't see it selling as well as the RDX at 5000 units a month.

The 3.0T isn't cheap to develop. But that engine will be available on the RDX and MDX.

ESHBG

Yeah terrible priorities, wanting a vehicle that is functional. How dare people!

pyrodan007

If the TLX Type-S had a liftgate, it would still be on my list. And when compared to the S5 SB, price would indeed be interesting.

Tesla1856

I would just get the 2021 Audi S5 SB Prestige. (you know you want it).
Add the ventilated-seats if it ever gets hot.

justnspace

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pyrodan007

If we all did that, Acura would be gone by now lol

Tesla1856

If
We = people posting in this TLX Gen-2 forum
Then
I don't think Acura would even notice.

If
We = the whole planet of people looking to buy premium sedans
Then
Yes, Acura would have to change or stop selling sedans. Still, not sure where they are going since (some) people like their SUVs.

Yes, I know you were joking.

lowgrowl

There are so many disadvantages to having a SUV. I won't get into them here. But what I meant by priorities is that most people these days don't really care about the driving experience. The men claim they need the room and the women want to be high off the ground lol. Before the nineties when SUV's were starting to be produced, people did just fine with sedans. They didn't scream for more cargo room and a huge vehicle. People just felt the to copy each other and follow the herd. Real stupid aspect of the culture in our country. . . .

justnspace

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wont get into specifics, but then proceeds to get into specifics. lol

there is so much wrong with your statements, as stated...there are SUV's that put some of the best cars to shame.

what kind of rocket scientist uses that kind of logic? not a very good one.

justnspace

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From the conception of a vehicle, people have wanted more room...
They have went from a horse drawn buggy to stage coaches and mud wagons. It is at this time, the 1890's, is where the concept of the "shooting brake" was conceived.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiki

The shooting brake, which began in England in the 1890s, was a wagon (more specifically a type of

by 1920, rich people were converting regular sedans into "shooting brakes", yes...they wanted more room from their vehicle....and spent tons of money to have coach builders build them custom shooting brakes.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...2stations%22).

over here in the Americas, as early as 1910, we have been building what we now know as station wagons.
in those early days, they were called depot hacks or hackney carriages and worked around train depots. They also can be called carryalls or suburbans. That's right, the first all steel carryall was made in 1935 by none other than Chevrolet, which debuted as the Chevy Suburban. Which is also the longest running vehicle name. no other vehicle has lasted as long as the suburban

I can remember in the early 90's the roads were littered with station wagons!!

Tony Pac

I would have bought an Acura TLX if it had wings and take off when there is traffic. But don’t forget, I won’t pay more than $50K Canadian.

If it’s more than $50K, I rather go get a a Kia stinger for $45K Or spend $5-10K more and get a C300 🤣

ESHBG

Not true and station wagons, hatchbacks, vans and minivans, and pick up trucks were popular for this reason. And nowadays the average person in a large urban area with constant congestion doesn't need to be too concerned with driving dynamics and sitting higher has a lot of advantages.

lowgrowl

Ok idiot. I'll list a few

1) They are gas guzzlers
2) They pollute more
3) Because of their size they are more prone to accidents.
4) Parking them is a pain the neck
5) They take up too much space in a crowded world.

Most SUV's cannot put a car to shame. The one you stated before practically IS A CAR !!!! And I'm sure the ones you rave about are the same

This is all nonsense. And the fact you brought up rocket scientist shows the chicken brain you are.

fiatlux

1) No longer the case, they're only marginally less efficient
2) See the above.
3) Because of their size, or higher center of gravity? They do weigh more, but footprint wise they tend to be smaller than the equivalent sedan.
4) Why do you say that? The crossover equivalent to a car typically is typically shorter, so they're easier to park.
5) They take up more space 3-dimensionally, but their footprint is smaller so I whole-heartedly disagree, unless you plan on stacking cars or something.

justnspace

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the X3 and Macan are not cars. The Macan shares its platform with the Audi Q5. which are SUVs.
yes, after I brought back up the rocket scientist remark, I immediately regretted it. I'm sorry for calling you a non-rocket scientist, as I tried to soften the blow by giving a history lesson on how cars have evolved over time to include more space.

i'll give you credit on the fuel mileage point, however, as you pointed out...an economy car is in a whole different class than an SUV, which rightfully so, cannot compare fuel mileage between the two.

a bigger size does not equate more accident prone, btw.

lowgrowl

What you just gave me is a load of you know what LOL

fiatlux

Load of truth you can't handle . Care to dispel anything that I said? You won't, because you can't.

It's OK, just admit you can't afford a crossover and that's why you hate them so much .

04WDPSeDaN

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I would take a seat and chill out a bit, no need to throw insults to anyone on here. If you want respect, show others respect. If you can't have an intelligent conversation without having your feelings hurt, then get off the internet.

You made this thread, which is worthless.. Why? Because the exact information you're looking to discuss with others has been beaten to death in multiple threads in this 2nd gen TLX section. That is on you for not taking the time to read through and contribute to the conversation. Your opinion on SUV's are strictly yours and are for the most part a bunch of nonsense based on your personal opinion. The sedan segment is in the trash, why because the market shows that consumers prefer everything else over a sedan. Does it mean that nobody wants sedans? No, but the market isn't as strong as it once was. I'm not getting any further into this worthless debate. You buy whatever works for you and only you and the reasons behind it are strictly yours.

justnspace

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no no, i started the name calling. it's okay.
I take full responsibility. and I am really sorry, that I did so.

SebringSilver

No need to argue. Just buy the car/SUV you want.

Oh wait, Acura doesn't let us do that.