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Isn’t that bad to refuel a car when it is running? That’s what I grew up being told.
I don't always shut down while refueling. Guess it depends what & how its being refueled. Hot refueling seems to be pretty common especially when its cold.
As for setting the record the old saying "these are professionals don't try this at home" applies..
Yes sorry about that. The quote was from 04WDPSeDaN and that's who I meant to respond to. He had a bunch of nested quotes in his comment and I removed the wrong user name :-P
Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory
You really want to compare a brand new development to cars 11-15 years old? How about comparing it to a 12 year old TL-S that shows what Acura produced after 12 years of waiting & hoping. Been interesting to watch the forums translon from it will be an "M" killer to the numbers don't matter.
C/D TEST RESULTS: 2010 Acura TL-S Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec Zero to 100 mph: 13.5 sec 1/4-mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph
Zero to 130 mph: 26.5 sec
Regarding maintenance two stories. Leased cars don't count as both warranty & maintenance was free as long as I had them very few shop visits most items taken car of at the annual state EPA inspection. No on the road breakdowns & no expensive repairs. All were tuned versions either factory or JB-4. Same with owned cars 10 & 9 years. About $2500 out of pocket excluding brakes & tires. No on the road breakdowns & most fixes one day unless waiting for parts. Both were tuned one factory & one JB-4
Last regarding this you best do more searches maybe my TL posts here in the 2006 to 2011 time frame. current TLX 9 speeds were not the first. My 6MT was replaced under TSB along with many others. My daughter got an new AT under the terms on a class action suite. Honda/Acura typically denies a problem as long as they can then quietly settles with a TSB. Much of its reliability is questionable at least. Every forum here has at least a few stories to tell if you look for them. .
Who ever said the TLX-S was an "M killer"? I merely said that it is was fast as some M cars from yesteryear, some of which are still very desirable, including my all time favorite sedan: the E39 M5. Obviously nobody is cross shopping a new 2022 model with a 20-year old car, and there is no Acura that is remotely competitive within any real M car (although the NSX-S happens to be faster and more expensive than every M car), I was just adding some perspective on the definition of "fast" and how it has evolved.
I really don't understand the trend on these boards where current Audi/BMW/etc owners incessantly trash the Type-S. Whenever TLX fans or owner talk about what they love about the car, certain commenters (who seem to have some sort of superiority complex) can't help but throw cold water on their opinions. I'm a fan of Acura/Honda products but also try to be objective as possible. I'm not here for some echo chamber circlej**k and am not delusional to the point where I can't acknowledge that every Acura model is flawed in some way; I appreciate valid criticism, but this is something else. I wonder if BMW and AMG owners troll the Audi forums or Porsche owners troll BMW and Mercedes etc...
At this point every one on planet Earth knows that the Type-S gets walked all over in a straight line by the lighter/compact competition in its semi-performance/luxury sedan niche, but among the heavier competition (such as the AWD Stinger GT and CT5-V) it's still pretty even. Acura has never been about straight-line performance anyways, and the goal of the car was never to leave others in the dust at a drag strip, despite the wishful thinking of some. Most posts I've seen here and elsewhere, especially from owners, is that the acceleration is been more than satisfactory.
Do I wish the car weighed less? Yes x1000, but not simply for straight-line acceleration, but more for gas mileage, braking, and to a lesser extent handling. In some ways I found the lighter SH-AWD A-Spec slightly more "fun" to drive on winding roads, although this is partially due to the Type-S being even more stable and composed. (Same reason why many find cars like the MX-5 and 86 more fun to drive than triple-digit sports cars and sports sedans). Yet even despite the weight disadvantage, the Type-S has better road-holding and handling than most if not all of its competitors, according to various tests.
Believe it or not whenever I've purchased a new car I've always looked at competitors with an open-mind. It was how great the A-Spec was (and the fact that it had negative depreciation) that motivated me to trade up to the Type-S, which has been worth every single penny.
I really don't understand the trend on these boards where current Audi/BMW/etc owners incessantly trash the Type-S. Whenever TLX fans or owner talk about what they love about the car, certain commenters (who seem to have some sort of superiority complex) can't help but throw cold water on their opinions. I'm a fan of Acura/Honda products but also try to be objective as possible. I'm not here for some echo chamber circlej**k and am not delusional to the point where I can't acknowledge that every Acura model is flawed in some way; I appreciate valid criticism, but this is something else.
there are not a ton of them they are just some of the heaviest posters on the forum. It used to be worse, and has certainly made the forum unappealing to new users. Just expect which ever post is the most active will some how become a m340i advertisement at some point. Amazing how “Any regrets from TLX type S Owners” just organically became the “TLX type S vs the competition” thread so that the same people can say the same thing about their m340i’s.
Yes sorry about that. The quote was from 04WDPSeDaN and that's who I meant to respond to. He had a bunch of nested quotes in his comment and I removed the wrong user name :-P Who ever said the TLX-S was an "M killer"?
Was not directed at you. Was a statement as how expectations have changed regarding what the coming Type-S missions was. Went from M killer to don't care about the numbers very quickly.
Why there are comments about other brands VS the TLX here is because Acura chose to advertise directly against those other brands. When you make a comparison its dumb to expect the one you are comparing too not to have its say.
If Acura would have just said what a great car we have built there would I believe no or few comments about other brands would be posted. Its rare to see Acura style marketing among the other brands so there is not much brand to brand contention on other boards. This guy has just moved on from Z4 to Porsche 911. Good Bye
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You have no clue if he's going for "maximum performance", since they're not instrumented except for time so no one has any other parameter but time. Two, the MAP driver seemed to take the driving more seriously from their approach and got mid-pack results so your 2nd statement is silly since they used an actual racetrack road course with varied turns (Brainerd International Raceway) . Additionally the MAP driver critiqued the positives and negatives of the Type-S in the video as well not hacking away at any of the vehicle dynamic controls as well.
Type r should be top of everything.
Next a shitty bmw.
Then some silly Subaru? Pfff
Somehow an accord clone is on the list next?
Then a fake Porsche
Then a wrx? LoL
Nissan too? Gimme a break
What kinda fake list is this LoL
How many actual TLX Type-S owners will actually track or drag their cars?
I never even had a chance to track my FK8. I wanted more luxury and room while still putting a smile on my face like the Type R did, and that’s what the Type S does. Different strikes for different folks, not one brand for all. If I wanted another car, I would’ve bought it.
How many actual TLX Type-S owners will actually track or drag their cars?
Wild ass guess. Less owner cars are on the track or strip than are in the Acura commercials.
Originally Posted by sombasol
t Amazing how “Any regrets from TLX type S Owners” just organically became the “TLX type S vs the competition” thread so that the same people can say the same thing about their m340i’s.
Nothing amazing about it. It was all Acura all the time till post #8 when an Acura guy brought the M340 & C43 into the thread. Some guys just can't help themselves in doing comparisons to the German cars. Have no understanding why they continue to do it because it never ends well. Of course then y'all bitch when someone debates their comments. You don't want to hear about German cars don't bring them up, pretty simple thing to do.
there are not a ton of them they are just some of the heaviest posters on the forum. It used to be worse, and has certainly made the forum unappealing to new users. Just expect which ever post is the most active will some how become a m340i advertisement at some point. Amazing how “Any regrets from TLX type S Owners” just organically became the “TLX type S vs the competition” thread so that the same people can say the same thing about their m340i’s.
If you look at the details in current newer threads (after dust has settled for horsepower and back seat space), it's usually Acura owners who start to bash first. For some reason, it's always related to looks, cost, and reliability. Yet never about performance, go figure.
Regarding reliability, if Acura can't get puddle lights to remain stable, the odds the V6T and tranny having zero problems is very low. And it can't be compared to the NSX's V6T and tranny since those are not 100% pure Honda if I remember correctly.
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there are not a ton of them they are just some of the heaviest posters on the forum. It used to be worse, and has certainly made the forum unappealing to new users. Just expect which ever post is the most active will some how become a m340i advertisement at some point. Amazing how “Any regrets from TLX type S Owners” just organically became the “TLX type S vs the competition” thread so that the same people can say the same thing about their m340i’s.
We will continue to monitor this and chime in (or take action) if needed.
You see the "negative" comments because many of us are disappointed. My vehicle history is full of Honda/Acura products and I was really excited about this gen. TLX and the return of the Type-S and it was on my list. Then it appeared and to me it was a dud in many ways: bigger, but not more usable; heavier, still missing options, not as fast as it was claiming it would be, not the value proposition that it once was (and yes the current market does not help so not all of this is on Acura).
It's a nice looking vehicle and if you are happy with your purchase that is all that matters. But some of the wild claims/comparisons and shifting goalposts will get challenged, and rightfully so.
I actually stopped coming around here as often because of the bickering over mostly the same topics/themes over and over again. It just didn't contribute anything positive to my ownership experience as other car forums have with other cars I've owned.
Yeah, the TLX/Type S's spec sheets don't paint a pretty picture compared to the competition, but from my experience actually making the payments on my Tech Pkg TLX and driving it almost every day, it's been a wonderful vehicle comfort-wise and yes, even in terms of sportiness. I've owned other cars that have arguably been sportier and the TLX holds its own against them when it comes to occasional fun on public roads.
You can make the argument that the TLX's track performance isn't great, and I'd probably agree with you on most points, but the fact is a very small portion of car owners take their cars to the track. I personally think it makes more sense to me to judge a car based on its usable performance on a day-to-day basis. Obviously if you care about track performance and intend to track your car, then by all means, focus in on those metrics. Otherwise, I can count on one hand the number of times I've cared about the 0-60 time of the TLX while driving it since I picked it up last September and I've cared about the quarter mile time even less (zero times). Same goes for figure 8, slalom, or road course numbers.
All the drum beating for your preferred car/brand/product reminds me too much of people arguing iPhone vs. Android or Xbox vs. PlayStation though. I've come to realize that people are just gonna buy what they like at the end of the day and so really all the debate I used to get into on things like this really was just wasted energy. I don't even know why I used to care so much about trying to convince people to agree with my preferences back then.
I think Jack said it very well in the Subaru WRX review video recently uploaded to Savagegeese's YouTube channel: "... the internet headline which is: this car is both uglier than the vehicle it replaces and makes less power, thus is slower than the car it replaces, does not in any way accurately summarize what this vehicle is like to actually live with because in the real world, you don't drive a spec sheet..." (linked below - starting at 23:11). While the Subaru WRX is the topic of that video, I think there's many parallels to be made to the TLX and how it's being compared to its own predecessors and/or other vehicles.
I miss the days when we had sociopaths on here pretending that 1) they drove thru their residential neighborhoods at breakneck speeds in their Type-S and made all the MILFs swoon on their lawns, 2) they were wealthy and had 100+ high performance cars including a Porsche Turbo and they considered the TLX-S a formidable car in their multi-million dollar stable and 3) they would regularly come out to crowds around their TLX Type-S and even heard someone's wife say, "this is the car I wanted!"
You see the "negative" comments because many of us are disappointed. My vehicle history is full of Honda/Acura products and I was really excited about this gen. TLX and the return of the Type-S and it was on my list. Then it appeared and to me it was a dud in many ways: bigger, but not more usable; heavier, still missing options, not as fast as it was claiming it would be, not the value proposition that it once was (and yes the current market does not help so not all of this is on Acura).
It's a nice looking vehicle and if you are happy with your purchase that is all that matters. But some of the wild claims/comparisons and shifting goalposts will get challenged, and rightfully so.
It's crazy that, for the most part, the Honda/Acura fans defend the TLX-S tooth and nail ... but the MDX-S is absolutely getting raked over the coals, at least on Reddit. I was expecting the same type of reception when pricing came out with many staunchly defending Acura as being infallible ... nope, the overwhelming consensus was, "Fuck Acura."
You see the "negative" comments because many of us are disappointed. My vehicle history is full of Honda/Acura products and I was really excited about this gen. TLX and the return of the Type-S and it was on my list. Then it appeared and to me it was a dud in many ways: bigger, but not more usable; heavier, still missing options, not as fast as it was claiming it would be, not the value proposition that it once was (and yes the current market does not help so not all of this is on Acura).
It's a nice looking vehicle and if you are happy with your purchase that is all that matters. But some of the wild claims/comparisons and shifting goalposts will get challenged, and rightfully so.
That's fine, just make sure it's posted in proper discussion threads. Not every TLX related discussion has to degenerate into a place to vent angst against the brand.
If you look at the details in current newer threads (after dust has settled for horsepower and back seat space), it's usually Acura owners who start to bash first. For some reason, it's always related to looks, cost, and reliability. Yet never about performance, go figure.
Regarding reliability, if Acura can't get puddle lights to remain stable, the odds the V6T and tranny having zero problems is very low. And it can't be compared to the NSX's V6T and tranny since those are not 100% pure Honda if I remember correctly.
It is the norm for Acura owners, in an Acura forum, to share inconveniences and shortcomings of their vehicles, discovered after having driven their Acura's for weeks, months, and years.
Likewise, it is also the norm for Audi owners, in an Audi forum, to share inconveniences and shortcomings of their vehicles, discovered after having driven their Audi's for weeks, months, and years. And same to BMW owners in a BMW forum as well.
However, when an Audi/BMW/other-makes owners, who haven't spent time driving the Acura vehicle, start pissing on an Acura in an Acura forum, it is naive to think that no Acura owner will piss back.
Likewise, the same pissing war will sure happen when an Acura/other-makes owners, who haven't spent time driving the Audi/BMW vehicle, start pissing on an Audi/BMW in an Audi/BMW forum too.
Likewise, the same pissing war will sure happen when an Acura/other-makes owners, who haven't spent time driving the Audi/BMW vehicle, start pissing on an Audi/BMW in an Audi/BMW forum too.
To finish the thought "But its OK if they do the pissing here."
Think this was the opening shot in this forums thread:
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You won’t be disappointed with the car… Out of all the cars in this segment, I had the most fun in the type s. The all round experience was better. Although I haven’t test drove the BWM because I think the m340i is hideous. As far as performance, sound, comfort and handling the type s excels at a daily driver. The C43 might be the second best IMO but I don’t think it was worth that price also it felt too small up front.
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Originally Posted by CheeseyPoofs McNutView Post
If someone wants to have a discussion with real owners of a specific Acura car they should be able to do so without being deluged over and over again with the same completely offtopic and unsolicited opinions.
Yeah, that would be fair if it was they way it was actually done. Thing is many TLX TLX-S owners can't seem to help themselves from bringing other brands into their posts. Maybe some don't see it but as soon as a TLX owner brings in brand X how is it off topic for someone the say something about brand X?
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Correction My first was #56. Was thinking about #35 by leomio2.0 who got it right about YouTube & the guy with a big stable $200.000 cars like Porsches, NSX etc who said the S was his favorite car & everybody just swooned over him. Think he disappeared when one of the toxic haters asked to see his collection.
My next was #79 responding to this
So I always wonder about the “oh, but the BMW M whatever is 1 second quicker to 60”. What are you planning to do, street race?Not to be holier than thou, but please don’t do that. There is always going to be something quicker no matter what you have and you could hurt some innocent person.
When I said
No most of us are not looking to street race. What you are looking at is a different demographic that like to participate in motor sports that most non car people are not even aware of.
It not just BMW M cars its Porsche, Corvette, Ferrari, Lamborghini, 1/2 & full milers etc. People are not aware that the exotic manufactures also build club series cars for their customers that want to compete at a non pro level. Corvette will be offering a turn key version of their factory C8.R race cars for the first time with the new Z06 around 2023. About $500,000 a copy. Even Factory Five Racing that developed the Cobra I built offer a series race car version of it.
There are very strong national clubs with regional affiliates of all the major performance car manufactures that put on events for the members from national race series to HPDS. My club BMWCCA runs a number of events at Virginia International Raceway. Two charity lap events a year open & close the VIR season for non competitors. Also generally 2 or so HPDS that sellout at 250 drivers, a number of SCCA track, Solo & AutoX events along with the normal track days. Acura tends to show its cars on a track with pro test drivers & GCI tire smoke, the rest of the major sports sedan manufactures support their customers with race parts for the cars their customers drive on the track.
OK enough for now. I will comment as I see fit in response to specific statements but will continue to refrain from starting a debate.
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I have a new regret now. I regret not cutting her loose earlier than i did today in the sleet that was accumulating. I waited until some of the roads had been plowed. It did very well in the sleet and ice and even did hill climbs with the nittos.
I have a new regret now. I regret not cutting her loose earlier than i did today in the sleet that was accumulating. I waited until some of the roads had been plowed. It did very well in the sleet and ice and even did hill climbs with the nittos.
I got snow tires and its a beast in the snow. stops on a dime
That's fine, just make sure it's posted in proper discussion threads. Not every TLX related discussion has to degenerate into a place to vent angst against the brand.
What's interesting is without these discussions I don't think this forum (or at least many of the threads) would have much traffic/activity at all, as some of the other forums are completely dead now.
But yes I agree not every thread needs to turn into this same discussion; but in this case "regrets" in the thread title is ripe for this type of discussion and as long as things stay civil I don't see an issue.
Originally Posted by leomio2.0
It's crazy that, for the most part, the Honda/Acura fans defend the TLX-S tooth and nail ... but the MDX-S is absolutely getting raked over the coals, at least on Reddit. I was expecting the same type of reception when pricing came out with many staunchly defending Acura as being infallible ... nope, the overwhelming consensus was, "Fuck Acura."
Yeah I don't even know what the MDX-S is aiming for and that pricing is outrageous for what it is.
What's interesting is without these discussions I don't think this forum (or at least many of the threads) would have much traffic/activity at all, as some of the other forums are completely dead now.
But yes I agree not every thread needs to turn into this same discussion; but in this case "regrets" in the thread title is ripe for this type of discussion and as long as things stay civil I don't see an issue.
Yeah I don't even know what the MDX-S is aiming for and that pricing is outrageous for what it is.
I love the idea of the MDX Type S but I don’t think I’d need or want that as I’m not too worried about the performance in a family SUV. I prefer my performance drive cars to be lower to the ground but I guess there has to be a market for the SUVs too considering they’re producing them.
What's interesting is without these discussions I don't think this forum (or at least many of the threads) would have much traffic/activity at all, as some of the other forums are completely dead now.
Regular Joes aren’t going to waste their time here on forums; it’s mostly enthusiasts. Unfortunately, enthusiasts have been put off by Acura thanks to the overhype and empty promises regarding performance. On most other general car sites/forums, Acura is the butt end of jokes. For the past decade they didn’t make anything that appealed to enthusiasts whatsoever, and the Type S is a swing and a miss for most enthusiasts. The Negative Nancys here are pretty measured by comparison.
However, when an Audi/BMW/other-makes owners, who haven't spent time driving the Acura vehicle, start pissing on an Acura in an Acura forum, it is naive to think that no Acura owner will piss back.
Technically it's no different from Acura fans who test drove the Type-S, bought it, praise it and specifically ignored other models due only to price and pseudo-reliability. The exterior fans completely ignored Acura just on the spec sheet. Some don't need to drive the car if it's already missing XYZ and has ABC performance results.
You wanna praise, sure. You wanna make fun, well expect something since MANY on this forum had an Acura and now have current hands on experience with others.
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What's interesting is without these discussions I don't think this forum (or at least many of the threads) would have much traffic/activity at all, as some of the other forums are completely dead now.
But yes I agree not every thread needs to turn into this same discussion; but in this case "regrets" in the thread title is ripe for this type of discussion and as long as things stay civil I don't see an issue.
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I'll humor you briefly; let's take a look at the context set forth in the initial post:
Originally Posted by SGPMan
I read this forum on a daily basis and there is just so much negativity about the Type S. I put down a deposit for a white on red Type S from Columbia Acura and I'm just wondering are there any OWNERS of the TLX Type S that regret their purchase?
The poster is looking for input from people who actually own the Type S as opposed to who don't own it and are simply put off by the final product (or the brand in general). Armchair moderating notwithstanding, the thread needs to correlate with the intent set forth by the poster.
I haven't received my order yet (or anywhere close to it most likely) but I think I'm regretting going red instead of white with red interior.
Nah, I think the TLX red is one of the best on any car. If it had been a color choice instead of the tomato soup red BMW offered my black Z4 would be red. My current favorite reds are the TLX, the red on my granddaughters Mazda CX-5 & the Mustang Ruby Red.
Since we are discussing MAPerformance, here is their recent TLX Type S dyno video.
All my dyno runs except some on the Cobra are run on DynoJet. Can't fault the numbers as the machine has very little user input so its a good choice to get consistent runs. Think the turbos & heads are too small for the displacement hence the low RPM power limit.
That is bad news for current buyers but with larger factory turbos & head ports there is a lot of room for a Type-R down the road.. The 10 speed looks to be nicely geared to the engine has a good launch & carries it for a few shifts before it runs out of breath. Not an issue for guys who are just interested in a nice quick street driver.
Looking at the dyno IMHO I would get a larger FMIC as the first mod. Both power & torque dropping on consecutive runs suggests heat soak. You put more power mods in the car it will just soak quicker stealing a portion of the new power you just bought.
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All my dyno runs except some on the Cobra are run on DynoJet. Can't fault the numbers as the machine has very little user input so its a good choice to get consistent runs. Think the turbos & heads are too small for the displacement hence the low RPM power limit.
That is bad news for current buyers but with larger factory turbos & head ports there is a lot of room for a Type-R down the road.. The 10 speed looks to be nicely geared to the engine has a good launch & carries it for a few shifts before it runs out of breath. Not an issue for guys who are just interested in a nice quick street driver.
Looking at the dyno IMHO I would get a larger FMIC as the first mod. Both power & torque dropping on consecutive runs suggests heat soak. You put more power mods in the car it will just soak quicker stealing a portion of the new power you just bought.
Larger FMICs temporarily helps with heat soak. As reduced air is hitting the radiator, it causes prolonged heat soak in tracks and does more harm than good. Oil coolers and upgraded radiators are best combatants to heat soak. Same scenario with the CTR.
Let’s also remember this is a Type S and not a Type R as it sounds like people were expecting the best of the best from Honda/Acura.
I'll humor you briefly; let's take a look at the context set forth in the initial post:
The poster is looking for input from people who actually own the Type S as opposed to who don't own it and are simply put off by the final product (or the brand in general). Armchair moderating notwithstanding, the thread needs to correlate with the intent set forth by the poster.
And yet here we are eight pages later? If it had veered so far off course it's interesting that it wasn't shut down.
01-14-2022, 04:52 PM
