leomio85

There's a reason they're killing them off. For a company that moves so many compact sedans (see: Civic), it's head-scratching how the ILX was such a comprehensive failure. The problem Acura has is competing against the Civic Si and now the Type-R. You can't make it too good of a deal, because then it would cannibalize those other cars. But then if it's not good enough of a deal, they won't make the jump to Acura. Then there's the fact that is anyone looking at the Si and Type-R really even looking at Acura? With their new direction, maybe.

fiatlux

There are two types of people who buy the ILX. Those who really really want a nicer 9G Civic Si, and those who liked the styling and wanted an entry-level luxury car but didn't bother driving anything else before making their decision. Test drive any other entry-level luxury car back-to-back with the ILX and you'd be left wondering if something wasn't broken with the ILX.

ACCURATEin

I talked to one of the guys in the parts dept at acura yesterday and he told me they've only sold 1 TLX so far. He said everyone that comes in looking say they're going to wait until the type S comes out.

a35tl

FWIW, I'm in the group that's waiting for the Type S.

GhostTL09

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ditto

Tony Pac

The issue is no one wants to pay that kind of money for Type S. Everyone wants a TLX 400HP and 0-60 in less than 4 seconds. Bu the cost cannot be more than $40K

Kense

No, Everybody wants a Type S with 400 HP and a 0-60 Time 4.2-4-4 seconds and cost no more than $55K. What's so unrealistic about that?

pyrodan007

I'd be happy if the Type-S is at least below the 5s mark for 0-60, every tenths of a second lower after that affects how close to 60k car can cost. Seems fair enough, match performance to price. Then offer options. People can spend as much or as little after that. 40K for a sports car, not even the CTR offers that now.

Kense

It has to be below the 5 seconds mark. There is just no way they can justify this car if it's not. That's why I would like a Mid 4 second car max for the price I know this will be. I had an AWD Infiniti Red Sport which constantly ran 4.1 seconds 0-60 times stock. I got that car for 45K out the door. Yeah it didn't have all the modern features but it had everything I needed. The TLX cannot be in the 5's.

fiatlux

I agree, although I don't really care what the 0-60 time is because it can be such a misleading metric. There are plenty of cars with a great 0-60 time, but then when you drive it out on the road you wonder if it's broken because it doesn't feel that fast. As long as it has a sub-5 second 5-60 to match the M340i and C43 I'd be happy.

Vicious Type S

Matching the M340i would be asking a lot but I'd be thrilled if it was considering the cheaper cost and then the "assumed" reliability.

SebringSilver

Acura should launch with the Type S to get people excited but all the while knowing their real goal is to sell the A-spec and other more affordable variants. Now all they have are people who want to wait and see but at the end of the day, do people really want to buy a US$55,000+ car where you can’t get the options far lesser cars have?

Giving people too much time to think about it isn’t a great sales tactic.

Tony Pac

You are very realistic and on point but 80% of people aren't like you. They want it under $40K.

fiatlux

Who's they? Can you point out some posts here where people said that? I don't think I've ever seen a post suggesting that, let alone 80% of them, which means you're just creating a strawman.

Kense

I just look at the 0-60 as a measuring point. It really doesn't mean too much because a lot of times are either over or under estimated. Best times are only achieved with perfect conditions. I will say if most magazines test the Type S and it's doing 5 seconds or over that, in real world conditions most people will be getting closer to mid 5's which would be disastrous. BMW and Merc Underrate their cars obviously so if a Type S is doing over 5 seconds it will not feel anywhere near as fast as the M340 or C43. Those cars feel fast because they are fast.

SebringSilver

Choosing between an M340i and a C43 would not be easy, but what’s up with the crazy thick bezels surrounding the infotainment screens on all recent Mercedes cars?? I would probably go for the Bimmer with all the aggressive appearance parts.

BEAR-AvHistory

I am sure they would all be happy at $25,000. But I have not seen anyone except you that talking less than $40,000. All I have seen suggest the TypeS car will be in the mid $50,000 range.
This is a given with the top end 4 cylinder going OTD around $49,000. TypeS will most likely be around $55,000 + DMA.

Kense

Yeah they are fairly close, but the Mercedes is a lot more expensive if you plan on leasing, it's one reason I went with the BMW which offers slightly better performance and a more modern interior for less. The Benz feels smaller inside and a little more dated feeling. Sound is amazing though. That exhaust note is drool worthy.

dmski

A lot of people are waiting for the Type S but when the reality hits and their payments match that of S4/M340/C43... will they actually pull the trigger??? If you think that Acura will discount these you are going to have to wait for a couple of years.

Tesla1856

1. Good question. Audi S4/S5 Quattro V6 Premium-Plus are both around $55,000 and pretty awesome. And there's no waiting (they have plenty). The only hard part is deciding between the two of them.

2. I agree. And here in Texas, Acuras sell for MSRP always.

leomio85

Ironic. This coming from a guy that expected the Type-S to be $45k

iforyou

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Car and Driver and Motor Trend both got 4.5s for the Red Sport:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...tested-review/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/infi...t-test-review/

And as you said, if magazines get 4.5s, in the real world, it's probably closer to 5s. Just wondering if there's a link to a reputable test where the Q50 Red Sport does 0-60mph in 4.1s.

There's a lot of talk here about how the success of Type S is defined by 0-60mph. I personally don't have high hopes on that metric. The main reason is that I highly doubt that there's going to be a launch control system in the TLX like most of its competitors. Even if it does, I again highly doubt that it's as aggressive as the others. 0-60mph is all about the launch in these cars, but it's also very taxing on the powertrain. Honda being such a conservative company suggests that even if the TLX Type S has launch control, it will be very mild and overly protective. Case in point, my NSX's launch control rpm is at 2200rpm. The R8 and 911 are all at about 5000rpm.

If you look at the Audi S4 for example, its launch control system allows it to do 0-60mph in 4.2s. But then when you look at its 5-60mph time and 1/4 mile trap speed, they are 5.7s and 108mph respectively. That 5-60mph figure is almost the same as the 1g TLX V6 AWD at 5.9s. And 108mph 1/4 mile trap speed is on par with the Civic Type R.

At the drag strip, 0-60mph and 1/4 mile ET are the only two important stats. But in daily driving, I think 5-60mph and 1/4 mile trap speed would give us better indication as to how fast a car is. 5-60mph factors in how fast the transmission can respond to kick down and how much lag there is. 1/4 mile trap speed is relatively insensitive to things like shifting time and launch technique. It gives you a good estimate of the power of the car relative to the weight.

BEAR-AvHistory

4.1 would make it the quickest pure stock Red 400 in the US. Thing is you need to add .3 to the magazine stats as they use a drag strip 1 foot roll-out before the clock starts. They are not timing it from a dead stop. 4.1 on the street would be about 3.8 in a magazine test.

Real life stock Red 400 will just break into the 4's on a perfect run.

Tony Pac

Actually some people want the Type S to be under $40K and it has to come with a bottle of Veuve Clicquot and 2 nights at a 5 star SPA/Resort hahaha! Can't get any better!

fiatlux

Who? If you can’t point to a post (which you can’t) you’re just making this up to fit your agenda. It should be easy enough for you to find some evidence since you said 80% of us feel this way, right?

iforyou

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yup!

Edward'TLS

Let's hope that the TLX doesn't follow the RLX's path to the death row. The RLX was priced too high and therefore few buyers weren't willing to pull the trigger.

Deja vu ?

ACCURATEin

I keep checking the inventory at the dealership here and now they have 17 TLXs. The one blue aspec that they have still has not sold. It has been over 3 weeks now.

ESHBG

I actually think that this is by design and they'll milk what they can from this TLX and then kill it.

Edward'TLS

If that happens, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the Acura sedan division. The ILX sedan is a joke and should never be in the premium Acura division at all.

ESHBG

They're making a new sedan to replace the ILX and it will be interesting to see what they come up with. If it's as versatile as a Civic than I will be even more convinced that the TLX's days are numbered.

GhostTL09

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I don't get the sense they are killing off the TLX. The RLX while it has some nice characteristics never did it for me. It wasn't a sexy car and when you look 5 series, or A6 it just looked better even if you felt the RLX was a better buy.